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Madeleine McCann

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  • #6962
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    Look, you were making comments like this:



    You don't have a single shred of evidence to back up this 'fact' that you claimed.

    Please stop embarrassing yourself.

    Note I said that it supports the fact, not that it proves the fact. Now who looks stupid.
    No one has evidence of anything, just theories that support their own opinion on this.


  • #6963
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    they dont prove anyone was in the hose that night only in the past.

    its the mc canns that compromised the crime scene . they were all in and out before the cops showed up

    surely if CB s prints are there it strengthens the case against him.

    That’s absolutely ridiculous, the McCanns were civilians and not professional police, they had to ring the police twice to even get them to come in the first place.
    It absolutely isn’t the responsibility of civilians to secure crime scenes, it’s the responsibility of the police.
    The police were there for hours before they bothered to preserve anything.
    If it had been preserved when they arrived and if they had come when they were called then who knows what would have been found.

    We don’t know if CB’s prints are there because the prints were contaminated because the scene wasn’t sealed.


  • #6964
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    they dont prove anyone was in the hose that night only in the past.

    its the mc canns that compromised the crime scene . they were all in and out before the cops showed up

    surely if CB s prints are there it strengthens the case against him.

    The only prints found and reported was Kate Mc Cann’s on the window that was left open.


  • #6965
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    callmehal wrote: »
    Because they're the only ones who we know for sure were in the room, had the toy, rented the car. It all links. It could be because someone else killed Madeleine in the room. But we have absolutely no evidence for that. The only evidence is against the McCanns.

    I really can't make it any clearer than that. As I suggested, do a bit of reading on the case.

    Just for those not keeping up. I'm not saying the McCanns did it, I'm saying the only evidence available points to them.

    It goes without saying that there will "evidence" from direct family members staying in the same apartment. That doesn't mean that the evidence is against the McCann's. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because there is nothing to incriminate somebody else doesn't mean we automatically point the finger at the parents.

    All those things you mention about cars, dogs toys etc. has been done to death. A little bit of research and 15 mins you can discredit all those theories.


  • #6966
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    Who said I want to use the dogs as evidence against the parents? I'm saying the dogs are one of the few pieces of evidence that's available and they point to the McCanns.

    Well you do want to use the dogs as evidence against the McCanns.

    You have already agreed that the dogs (if they were correct and they got the scent of a corpse) may not be evidence against the parents.

    So you are choosing to use them as evidence against them.


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  • #6967
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Note I said that it supports the fact, not that it proves the fact. Now who looks stupid.
    No one has evidence of anything, just theories that support their own opinion on this.

    So in the end you resorted to abuse to try to wriggle your way out of it. Ypu stated there was plenty of evidence, you went on to say it was a fact that there was an abduction, you provided nothing to back that up.


  • #6968
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »
    It goes without saying that there will "evidence" from direct family members staying in the same apartment. That doesn't mean that the evidence is against the McCann's. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because there is nothing to incriminate somebody else doesn't mean we automatically point the finger at the parents.

    All those things you mention about cars, dogs toys etc. has been done to death. A little bit of research and 15 mins you can discredit all those theories.

    Apartment, car, toy, the lies, the deleting of phone records etc it points to the McCanns. Obviously this is not hard evidence, it's the only evidence we have though.

    Feels like the millionth time I've said that, hopefully, it will sink in this time.


  • #6969
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Rock77 wrote: »
    Well you do want to use the dogs as evidence against the McCanns.

    You have already agreed that the dogs (if they were correct and they got the scent of a corpse) may not be evidence against the parents.

    So you are choosing to use them as evidence against them.

    I don't want to use anything against anyone.

    We don't have much evidence at all but the little we have points to the McCanns.


  • #6970
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    So in the end you resorted to abuse to try to wriggle your way out of it. Ypu stated there was plenty of evidence, you went on to say it was a fact that there was an abduction, you provided nothing to back that up.

    I stated there is plenty of evidence to support the theory that she was abducted.
    I provided said examples.
    You are still saying I’ve provided nothing to back it up even though I’ve explained and quoted these posts for you several times over, and you’re denying they even exist.
    I can’t help you any further I’m afraid.
    As I said before, if you see no merit or value in them then that’s fair enough and understandable seeing as we are clearly on different pages on this matter.
    But flat out denying I even offered up anything is extremely, extremely dishonest.
    Meanwhile you’re still harping on about dogs and phone records, even though they aren’t evidence of anything either, and the thread is being derailed and spoiled for everyone.

    I’ve provided my supporting evidence, you are denying I did this even though the posts are there for everyone to see, I think we just need to leave it at that now.


  • #6971
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I stated there is plenty of evidence to support the theory that she was abducted.
    I provided said examples.
    You are still saying I’ve provided nothing to back it up even though I’ve explained and quoted these posts for you several times over, and you’re denying they even exist.
    I can’t help you any further I’m afraid.
    As I said before, if you see no merit or value in them then that’s fair enough and understandable seeing as we are clearly on different pages on this matter.
    But flat out denying I even offered up anything is extremely, extremely dishonest.
    Meanwhile you’re still harping on about dogs and phone records, even though they aren’t evidence of anything either, and the thread is being derailed and spoiled for everyone.

    I’ve provided my supporting evidence, you are denying I did this even though the posts are there for everyone to see, I think we just need to leave it at that now.

    We established a long time ago that you had no evidence (maybe you don't understand what the word means?) to back up your claims, instead of admitting that, you've spent pages furiously trying to backtrack, lie and abuse to wriggle out of it.

    For everyone's sake, we're going to move on.

    Has there been any latest in the letter the German's sent? Is it with the UK police?


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  • #6972
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,026 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Something Else
    Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »
    Your parents never left you alone but they did drop you on your head a few times judging by your comments on this thread.

    Interesting, when the McFanns run out of ammunition to defend them with they start making primary school insults for those who disagree with them. Some psychology student is loving this.


  • #6973
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    cgcsb wrote: »
    Interesting, when the McFanns run out of ammunition to defend them with they start making primary school insults for those who disagree with them. Some psychology student is loving this.

    It's a recurring theme. You're right, acting like kids. Stomping their feet because someone says something negative against the McCanns.


  • #6974
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    I don't want to use anything against anyone.

    We don't have much evidence at all but the little we have points to the McCanns.

    Evidence against CB.

    He is a known paedophile who was spotted in the area at the time.

    Unidentified fingerprints are the scene, could have been his.

    He told a friend he knew what happened to Madeleine.

    He told his girlfriend the night before she vanished that he had a horrible job to do in PDL

    The dogs- CB could have killed the child in the apt before removing the body.

    To quote yourself, it’s not hard evidence but evidence none the less.

    You may say this ‘evidence’ doesn’t point to CB but you are saying things like the deleted phone records are evidence against the parents when it has been pointed out to you that because of the lack of storage on the phones it was common to delete to free up space. The phone records were also retrieved with nothing incriminating found.


  • #6975
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    cgcsb wrote: »
    Interesting, when the McFanns run out of ammunition to defend them with they start making primary school insults for those who disagree with them. Some psychology student is loving this.

    Interesting, using a childish term like ‘McFanns’ to label all people with a different opinion to yourself. So we are all the same are we?


  • #6976
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,026 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Something Else
    Rock77 wrote: »
    Could an abductor have killed the child in the apt and taken the body? Dogs would still get a scent.

    It was a hire car, could there have been a body in it before the McCanns hired it?

    So could the dogs be nothing against the McCanns?

    A person would need to be dead more than an hour for the dog to alert. So if the 'checks' were done, that's impossible. There was also blood smelled at the same spots. Did the intruder also clean up blood between checks?


  • #6977
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    We established a long time ago that you had no evidence (maybe you don't understand what the word means?) to back up your claims, instead of admitting that, you've spent pages furiously trying to backtrack, lie and abuse to wriggle out of it.

    For everyone's sake, we're going to move on.

    Has there been any latest in the letter the German's sent? Is it with the UK police?

    No callmehal, I posted my theory and you hounded me over and over again, not refuting anything or even offering any counter arguments to what I had said, but just repeatedly stating that there was ‘no evidence’ and denying I had even made any effort to reply in the first place. You just did it again in the above post, I have offered up the evidence to support my theory and you are still bleating ‘no evidence’ like a broken record.
    I made the mistake of rehashing my argument to you 4/5 times, assuming there must be a misunderstanding between us to say you were flat out denying these posts even existed, only for you to scoff and dismiss at that too without adding anything constructive whatsoever (‘you haven’t backed up your claims’, ‘no evidence’ - rinse and repeat), so you are the only who has been lying and misrepresenting things.

    So yes, as I said, we’ll move on.

    The latest on the letter is that it is still in the custody of UK police and that it doesn’t disclose what exact concrete evidence the German police have that Madeleine is dead.


  • #6978
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    cgcsb wrote: »
    A person would need to be dead more than an hour for the dog to alert. So if the 'checks' were done, that's impossible. There was also blood smelled at the same spots. Did the intruder also clean up blood between checks?

    Quite unlikely Allright, but according to you and others the McCanns lied and the checks weren’t done so that would have given him more time.

    If there was blood there, and the McCanns could clean every trace of it then surely an intruder could?


  • #6979
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Rock77 wrote: »
    Evidence against CB.

    He is a known paedophile who was spotted in the area at the time.

    Unidentified fingerprints are the scene, could have been his.

    He told a friend he knew what happened to Madeleine.

    He told his girlfriend the night before she vanished that he had a horrible job to do in PDL

    The dogs- CB could have killed the child in the apt before removing the body.

    To quote yourself, it’s not hard evidence but evidence none the less.

    You may say this ‘evidence’ doesn’t point to CB but you are saying things like the deleted phone records are evidence against the parents when it has been pointed out to you that because of the lack of storage on the phones it was common to delete to free up space. The phone records were also retrieved with nothing incriminating found.

    That's not evidence at all. Or do you think the statement about Gerry McCann and his mate having a kiddie fiddling conversation is evidence?

    There's no evidence placing the peado in the room or any evidence of any involvement. There might be evidence with the German police but we're getting mixed messages on that.

    Deleting call records didn't free up space.


  • #6980
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    That's not evidence at all. Or do you think the statement about Gerry McCann and his mate having a kiddie fiddling conversation is evidence?

    There's no evidence placing the peado in the room or any evidence of any involvement. There might be evidence with the German police but we're getting mixed messages on that.

    Deleting call records didn't free up space.

    It supports the theory that she was abducted. Unless you’re saying that it doesn’t, and that absolutely none of the above has any relevance to the investigation?


  • #6981
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    No callmehal, I posted my theory and you hounded me over and over again, not refuting anything or even offering any counter arguments to what I had said, but just repeatedly stating that there was ‘no evidence’ and denying I had even made any effort to reply in the first place. You just did it again in the above post, I have offered up the evidence to support my theory and you are still bleating ‘no evidence’ like a broken record.
    I made the mistake of rehashing my argument to you 4/5 times, assuming there must be a misunderstanding between us to say you were flat out denying these posts even existed, only for you to scoff and dismiss at that too without adding anything constructive whatsoever (‘you haven’t backed up your claims’, ‘no evidence’ - rinse and repeat), so you are the only who has been lying and misrepresenting things.

    So yes, as I said, we’ll move on.

    The latest on the letter is that it is still in the custody of UK police and that it doesn’t disclose what exact concrete evidence the German police have that Madeleine is dead.

    I've said already, I'm not interested in your points or your theories. I wanted to know about the evidence, that's what's important here.
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    There is plenty of evidence to support her being abducted if you are open to it.

    Very strange about the letter. The German's have had this concrete evidence for quite some time now. Still no arrest!


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  • #6982
    buttercups88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭buttercups88


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Rock77 wrote: »
    Evidence against CB.

    He is a known paedophile who was spotted in the area at the time.

    Unidentified fingerprints are the scene, could have been his.

    He told a friend he knew what happened to Madeleine.

    He told his girlfriend the night before she vanished that he had a horrible job to do in PDL

    The dogs- CB could have killed the child in the apt before removing the body.

    To quote yourself, it’s not hard evidence but evidence none the less.

    You may say this ‘evidence’ doesn’t point to CB but you are saying things like the deleted phone records are evidence against the parents when it has been pointed out to you that because of the lack of storage on the phones it was common to delete to free up space. The phone records were also retrieved with nothing incriminating found.


    Don't forget his phone was connected to the cell phone tower belonging to the complex in the time frame madeleine went missing.


  • #6983
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Rock77 wrote: »
    Quite unlikely Allright, but according to you and others the McCanns lied and the checks weren’t done so that would have given him more time.

    If there was blood there, and the McCanns could clean every trace of it then surely an intruder could?

    More than an hour? You think the McCanns et all left their kids alone for that long?


  • #6984
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    It supports the theory that she was abducted. Unless you’re saying that it doesn’t, and that absolutely none of the above has any relevance to the investigation?

    It's not evidence. You really need to look up the meaning of the word.


  • #6985
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    I've said already, I'm not interested in your points or your theories. I wanted to know about the evidence, that's what's important here.



    Very strange about the letter. The German's have had this concrete evidence for quite some time now. Still no arrest!

    Then I suggest you reread my post, because I clearly said that the evidence was to support her being abducted. Not to prove she was abducted.
    I’m not interested in listening to easily debunked suspicions about phone records but here we are. We don’t have to answer to each other and that’s the beauty of being part of a forum.
    There is plenty of evidence to support her being abducted if you are open to it.


  • #6986
    buttercups88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭buttercups88


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    I've a feeling if police released a video they found of C.B entering the apartment, kidnapping madeleine, taking her to wherever and doing whatever to her then disposing of her body there would still be people on here disputing it.


  • #6987
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    More than an hour? You think the McCanns et all left their kids alone for that long?

    I have no idea how long they left them for.

    Madeline was collected at 6pm, do you think the parents had time to kill her, leave here dead in the apt for an hour, dispose of the body, get ready and be in the restaurant at the time they were??


  • #6988
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Then I suggest you reread my post, because I clearly said that the evidence was to support her being abducted. Not to prove she was abducted.
    I’m not interested in listening to easily debunked suspicions about phone records but here we are. We don’t have to answer to each other and that’s the beauty of being part of a forum.

    And you provided no evidence to support anything! You went on to say it was a fact that there was an abduction by the way.

    Yeah, you're free to make any claims you like, like I'm free to ask for you to back them up.


  • #6989
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    buttercups88 wrote: »
    I've a feeling if police released a video they found of C.B entering the apartment, kidnapping madeleine, taking her to wherever and doing whatever to her then disposing of her body there would still be people on here disputing it.

    Unlikely I'd say.That would be hard evidence.


  • #6990
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    callmehal wrote: »
    It's not evidence. You really need to look up the meaning of the word.

    I think the disconnect between you and Susieblue is because you are contradicting yourself. So none of the facts about CB is evidence to you.

    But the deleted phone records of the McCanns is evidence they disposed of their child’s body??

    There is no hard evidence so we can choose to interpret the circumstantial evidence whatever way we choose.

    Deleted phone records do not suggest to me that the parents were involved, they do to you, fine. But they are not evidence


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  • #6991
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Rock77 wrote: »
    I have no idea how long they left them for.

    Madeline was collected at 6pm, do you think the parents had time to kill her, leave here dead in the apt for an hour, dispose of the body, get ready and be in the restaurant at the time they were??

    Well like you stated, they needed to leave them for that long for an abductor to kill them in the apartment. So you think they did?


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