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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    I was a bit of an Audi fan years ago. Had a couple of A4’s and that A6 I loved, also had A2 as second car which was way ahead of its time but kinda changed after a while and came to view them as posh VW. I felt they drove like any other car but just had better styling and interior plastics.
    I think BMW still make a car that drives a little better in general than opposition and some that are streets ahead in driving dynamics and they have more cars that have enthusiast appeal.
    One thing that annoys me though is the epic depreciation on BMW. It seems it doesn’t matter where in the life cycle in the first five or six years you buy one, they lose a ton of money.


    That Audi S5 appeals to me in appearance and the effortless nature of its performance. I think for less than 50k it’s a good buy. You won’t get a new golf gti cheaper these days lads.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    I was a bit of an Audi fan years ago. Had a couple of A4’s and that A6 I loved, also had A2 as second car which was way ahead of its time but kinda changed after a while and came to view them as posh VW. I felt they drove like any other car but just had better styling and interior plastics.
    I think BMW still make a car that drives a little better in general than opposition and some that are streets ahead in driving dynamics and they have more cars that have enthusiast appeal.
    One thing that annoys me though is the epic depreciation on BMW. It seems it doesn’t matter where in the life cycle in the first five or six years you buy one, they lose a ton of money.


    That Audi S5 appeals to me in appearance and the effortless nature of its performance. I think for less than 50k it’s a good buy. You won’t get a new golf gti cheaper these days lads.

    In summer 2018 I got a 2014 f10 530d msport from UK for the princely sum of 20k euro all in. In December 2018 the girlfriend got a 2014 A6 S Line 2.0d from an Irish dealer for 20k. Both cars had approx 55k kms on them so very, very fresh.
    It's not just BMW that depreciates heavily, Audi does too. I'd love a current generation but the depreciation curve is just so steep I'm not going to buy anything under 4 years old again unless I plan to keep forever, which I won't, as my head is easily turned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 344 ✭✭chalky_ie


    In summer 2018 I got a 2014 f10 530d msport from UK for the princely sum of 20k euro all in. In December 2018 the girlfriend got a 2014 A6 S Line 2.0d from an Irish dealer for 20k. Both cars had approx 55k kms on them so very, very fresh.
    It's not just BMW that depreciates heavily, Audi does too. I'd love a current generation but the depreciation curve is just so steep I'm not going to buy anything under 4 years old again unless I plan to keep forever, which I won't, as my head is easily turned.

    In the UK, most BMWs depreciate far quicker than their Audi counterparts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ictvADjLB8


    Great result for the m340i overall considering the RS is a M3/4 competitor and a price point above.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭ILikeBoats


    JoeA3 wrote: »
    One thing that strikes me in this thread is the quality of the ads from NI and the UK compared to here. Really excellent high res photos and the cars look pristine. You'd be very confident of buying the car unseen when the photos are so good. Compare that to the majority of ads on carzone. Shocking phone photos (sometimes screenshots! Often with the salesman's brown shoes in shot lol) and the cars are often less-than-pristine looking too, although you wouldn't be sure, due to the poor quality photos...

    I keep an eye on the i30n, just noticed Mooneys have upped their photo game!

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-i30-n-2-0l-petrol-turbo-hot-hatch-here-at/23545477


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭Sexual Chocolate


    I never owned an Audi but drove a 2015 A5 1.8 coupe for a few weeks last year and while not something I'd go out of my way to own I took a liking to it. My only serious gripe with it was the CVT gearbox, it did not suit the engine at all imo.

    I think the only Audi I'd be willing to buy today would be either the A3 or A6 S-lines, haven't liked the last couple of A4s over the years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,628 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Does this seem a bit cheap for a 3 year old 7 Series?

    d43864c90df075c94489ddbe4ca5ffe91d49eda88371a654fe0540643c44c4b4.jpg

    https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2562418&r=s.php%3Fm%3D10%26o%3D89%26r%3D2017%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

    You would struggle to find a similar 530d for that sort of money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,927 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Like for like they are cheaper than a 530d imo.
    I dont think that is particularly cheap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,628 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Where are you seeing a similar cheaper M Sport for sale in Ireland Mick? There are a couple of SE alright which are always going to be worth a bit less.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,446 ✭✭✭Wailin


    mickdw wrote: »
    Like for like they are cheaper than a 530d imo.
    I dont think that is particularly cheap.

    Lol 38k for a 3 year old 7 series m sport isn't cheap?!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭maddness


    You could buy one from the UK for about 36/37 grand now including vrt and travel. Seriously good value for money as they come with a much higher spec than a 530.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,927 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    bazz26 wrote: »
    Where are you seeing a similar cheaper M Sport for sale in Ireland Mick? There are a couple of SE alright which are always going to be worth a bit less.

    Im working all my thinking from uk pricing.
    When you consider what you can land cleared in a 7 series from the uk, be it a 730d or a 740e, that one is not stupid cheap.
    530d seems overpriced when you see used 7 series pricing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,861 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    bazz26 wrote: »
    Does this seem a bit cheap for a 3 year old 7 Series?

    d43864c90df075c94489ddbe4ca5ffe91d49eda88371a654fe0540643c44c4b4.jpg

    https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2562418&r=s.php%3Fm%3D10%26o%3D89%26r%3D2017%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

    You would struggle to find a similar 530d for that sort of money.

    Where is the chrome on the boot? Is this definitely a 7er?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,998 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Marcusm wrote: »
    Where is the chrome on the boot? Is this definitely a 7er?

    Blackpacked or shadowlined or whatever they call it I assume


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,628 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    mickdw wrote: »
    Im working all my thinking from uk pricing.
    When you consider what you can land cleared in a 7 series from the uk, be it a 730d or a 740e, that one is not stupid cheap.
    530d seems overpriced when you see used 7 series pricing.

    Working from UK pricing is great and all but with Covid-19 travel restrictions, Brexit and the possibility of having a car to trade in, what you can buy one for in the UK is going to become less of an option for people.

    Also many people don't want or need a big 7 Series when a 5 Series will do the same job so I can see why a 5 Series would be more appealing and hence retain a bit more resale value.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,861 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Cyrus wrote: »
    Blackpacked or shadowlined or whatever they call it I assume

    Hard to tell them apart due to the minute diffs in styling! Saw a 192 7 series today. That is one big mouth on it, even more dramatic than a Maserati Gran Turismo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,998 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Marcusm wrote: »
    Hard to tell them apart due to the minute diffs in styling! Saw a 192 7 series today. That is one big mouth on it, even more dramatic than a Maserati Gran Turismo.

    it really does but you know what i kinda like it :eek:

    theres a guy down near glasthule that has one in a flat grey / beigy colour, sports kitted with black trims, looks really good :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,861 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Cyrus wrote: »
    it really does but you know what i kinda like it :eek:

    theres a guy down near glasthule that has one in a flat grey / beigy colour, sports kitted with black trims, looks really good :cool:

    It’s like a big grin and did put a smile on my place. It seems more balanced than the Audi equivalent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,446 ✭✭✭Wailin


    2020 330e (used) or 2018 540i lads? Heart says 540i but head telling me 330e. Been said before, with the 540i I'd be married to it whereas the 330e would be a lot more desirable come trade in time a few yrs down the road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,628 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    I suppose the question is could you live with the 330e knowing that you could have had a 540i instead and don't regret it? If the answer is yes then go for the 330e.

    The way I see it with BMWs, no matter which one you buy it's going to cost you big money to get into the next one whether your selling a 330e or 540i.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭maddness


    Wailin wrote: »
    2020 330e (used) or 2018 540i lads? Heart says 540i but head telling me 330e. Been said before, with the 540i I'd be married to it whereas the 330e would be a lot more desirable come trade in time a few yrs down the road.

    A 330e is a nice car but nothing special at all.
    A 540i is leagues above and it will be incredibly rare here too. B58 too!

    You won’t be married to the 540i either, I’ll take it off you in a couple of years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    Not only that, a 540i whilst a special beast, is a very normal car in many ways compared to what it used to be engine-wise. It was and still is a big proposition taking on a V8 that the 540 always was; maintenance wise, reliability wise, running cost wise and of course motor tax. Now the turboed six makes for a much easier ownership proposition and the associated costs and risks are much more manageable.

    I wouldn't even see that as a heart V head decision, the 540 G20 makes a lot of sense from a second hand point of view; they were outrageously expensive new but great value now.

    Whilst the power upgrades are immense for the 330e, the two cars are still worlds apart and I wouldn't even compare the two in the same sentance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭GustavoFring


    540i hands down.

    330e is a fine car, and the new model is really refined too - feels almost like an F10 in that regard. But it wouldn't be an upgrade imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    https://www.usedcarsni.com/2018-BMW-5-Series-540i-xDrive-M-Sport-Saloon-269574705?keywords=&make=2&model=9078&fuel_type=1&trans_type=0&age_from=2018&age_to=0&price_from=0&price_to=0&user_type=0&mileage_to=0&body_style=0&keywords=&location%5B%5D=0&location%5B%5D=0&homepage_search_attr=1&tab_id=0&search_type=1


    you would have this brought in from north for 41/42k. Has plus pack and comfprt and visibility pack. Obviously change the grille!
    A lot more car than a 330e and a 2020 330e would probably depreciate more over three years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,446 ✭✭✭Wailin


    In talks with the dealer about that particular 540i. Slightly high mileage for a 2 year old car but other than that it looks spot on and nicely specced.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,446 ✭✭✭Wailin


    Also looking at this in Beshoffs

    https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/BMW/3 Series/fpa/202005279592638


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    The 5 would be the one for me I think If it added up. The steering wheel is a bit shiny in the photos, needs a good clean and refresh, and I would want the grille replaced But beautiful car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    I always wondered, how does it work with the likes of Beshoffs selling cars that are still in manufacturers warranty? If you have an issue, do they just wash their hands of it and pass you on to the main dealer? Not that its a bad thing, but say the retailing dealer is an hour away from the nearest main dealer and you're beside the retailer, it would be a pain for them to not be handling a claim from start to finish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,628 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Wailin wrote: »
    In talks with the dealer about that particular 540i. Slightly high mileage for a 2 year old car but other than that it looks spot on and nicely specced.

    Is the northern dealer willing to take your 535d as a trade-in or are you keeping it out of the equation. I know a good few of them would if they can sell it back to a southern dealer. Bavarian Motors who are a NI BMW dealer used to take southern BMWs as trade ins. They would probably want to buy it at trade price but it might still work out better than trying to trade it down here.


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