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bazz26

A 530i could be an option too though the VRT would be a good bit steeper than on a 530e if importing. They are rare as hen's teeth here though.

This thread started giving me the itch to change too but I need to wait until I get my HK sound system sorted first. Those two 430d GC in Morrisson's have caught my attention especially the grey one, it has some very nice extras on it though I'm not sure it's worth 2k over the Snapper Dragon Blue one. I certainly don't really need a diesel these days but I'm not ready to give up the smooth 6 cylinders yet.

Brasso

Wailin wrote: »

330e/530e do have some serious drawbacks, biggest being that 2 litre engine. But also the extra 200kg weight and much smaller boot space. Ideal situation for me is to sell my car privately then I can browse away.

Just wondering about those "390hp" remaps though. The 290bhp is only available for 10 seconds or so on over boost, its normally at 255hp. I seriously doubt 390 is achievable and would not believe it until I see dyno results.

I seen this online too:
https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1690599
Seems to be a B48b20A and B48b20B fitted to the 330e with one being the same as a 320i and the other a detuned 330i. I don't know if that applies to the F30 also but you'd want to do your research if you were thinking about mods.

1jcdub

Wailin wrote: »

After I drove that m3, yes it was on a different level to anything I've driven before, but when can you drive like that except on a racetrack? You're basically buying a car to show off rather than use it for what it was built for.

€1200 to tax, which is likely to only increase next budget, compared to €170 for a 290bhp car that can be increased to 350+...better tech and more comfort.

I should have had an m car a few years ago, but time is running out and I don't want to be left with a lump of metal that's practically worthless in a short time. The M340i is still another possibility, but only if I sell my own, which seems unlikely.

If you'd like spin on my car to see what a tuned 330e is capable of, I'm sure we could arrange it

Wailin

bazz26 wrote: »

A 530i could be an option too though the VRT would be a good bit steeper than on a 530e if importing. They are rare as hen's teeth here though.

This thread started giving me the itch to change too but I need to wait until I get my HK sound system sorted first. Those two 430d GC in Morrisson's have caught my attention especially the grey one, it has some very nice extras on it though I'm not sure it's worth 2k over the Snapper Dragon Blue one. I certainly don't really need a diesel these days but I'm not ready to give up the smooth 6 cylinders yet.

Any progress in getting that sorted bazz and any idea what caused it?

Wailin

1jcdub wrote: »

If you'd like spin on my car to see what a tuned 330e is capable of, I'm sure we could arrange it

Thanks for the offer, I might take you up on it! Is yours the G20 or F30?

bazz26

Wailin wrote: »

Any progress in getting that sorted bazz and any idea what caused it?

I have a guy on the look out for a second hand part but there are a few different types that are not compatible and of course the one I need is in short supply. A new one is €1500 plus VAT from BMW. Last resort is that if I have to buy new then I'll keep the car to get some value out of it. The cause seems to have been a fried board in the amp which seems to be common on them but of course BMW will deny that once it's out of warranty.

Wailin

Wailin wrote: »

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Just wondering about those "390hp" remaps though. The 290bhp is only available for 10 seconds or so on over boost, its normally at 255hp. I seriously doubt 390 is achievable and would not believe it until I see dyno results.

I've little doubt it's achievable, but without a new turbo and intercooler etc I'd have my doubts as to the longevity of an engine. Go back 10 or 15 years and loads of 4 cyl turbo cars were mapped to high bhp without hardware mods and most of them were fubbered eventually.
Mapping a 330e under warranty would be very risky IMO. Even if no trace of the map was found the ECU would log EGT etc surely so if anything failed out of the ordinary the puzzle might be pieced together.

bazz26 wrote: »

............. I certainly don't really need a diesel these days but I'm not ready to give up the smooth 6 cylinders yet.

Surely a 4 cyl petrol would be more refined? In a similar spec car of course. I'm not suggesting a base spec Octavia is as refined but surely a 530i would be more so.

carsfan2

bazz26 wrote: »

A 530i could be an option too though the VRT would be a good bit steeper than on a 530e if importing. They are rare as hen's teeth here though.

This thread started giving me the itch to change too but I need to wait until I get my HK sound system sorted first. Those two 430d GC in Morrisson's have caught my attention especially the grey one, it has some very nice extras on it though I'm not sure it's worth 2k over the Snapper Dragon Blue one. I certainly don't really need a diesel these days but I'm not ready to give up the smooth 6 cylinders yet.

I thought you had discounted a 4 gc when you bought your current car and aren’t a fan of Morissons either?
However the grey car with the tan leather is nice alright and I think worth a premium over the other one.
To be honest I would have thought a high spec 530e might suit you more.
With regards to the fault on your own, is it something that could be bypassed some way or is it immediately obvious to whoever assessed it?
Also what it costs a dealer to put right is a fraction of what it costs you so might not be worth doing if you’re changing.

chalky_ie

I think remapping a car to over 100bhp more than factory, while under warranty, sounds like a recipe for absolute disaster. I don't doubt that it's possible, but it would raise serious concerns about longevity etc. to me.

SeanaciousD

Apologies I haven't had any time to dyno yet lads, my weekends are currently booked out for meeting back up with my friends .

What I do have however is some OBD logs from the car while I was testing out stage 1. The B48 engine has a flywheel torque sensor, so using that in conjunction with RPM you can calculate the power the engine is producing. Here is stock vs stage 1 side by side:



So as you can see, at 5000 RPM the stock engine is putting out pretty much exactly the 184HP BMW claims at stock, and 302HP with a stage 1 remap. Remember this doesnt include the extra 88HP from the electric motor. So all in all I'd guess you'd be getting 350-370HP at the wheels given transmission losses and some electric power loss. It certainly feels it!

As for can the engine take it? Sure, for two reasons. First is the closed deck-block design, meaning the block itself can take lots of boost without issue. It's odd BMW made this choice as most 4cylinder turbo engines are open-deck as it's cheaper (google the head-gasket blowing focus RS). But I'd wager it's because the 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder B48 and B58 (and S58) blocks are machined with the same tools, so the 4cylinder inherited this as a bonus.

The second is that it's a PHEV, which means the engine is probably only switched on for half of the total miles the car has covered, depending on your driving style of course. Don't go flooring it while the engine is still cold of course, but if you have a performance car I would be servicing it at least once a year anyway, even it is well below the mileage interval. All the modern sensors in the engines ECU are very quick to react to detect knock and reduce ignition timing and whatnot to protect the engine, so I wouldn't think it has any major adverse affects on reliability.

As another poster mentioned (and I mentioned before), the G20 330e may randomly come with a 320i engine (B48B20A) or a 330i engine (B48B20B). These engine are identical except for the pistons, where the 330i engine has a 10.2 to 1 ratio and the 320i has 11.0 to 1. The high compression ratio of the 320i engine is the limiting factor here, as the stock turbo can produce even more boost, but is limited by that compression ratio to prevent knock. The 330i version as such can easily output over 400HP from just a stage one remap, you can find many examples of which here: https://www.br-performance.be/en-be/chiptuning/1-cars/5-bmw/525-serie-3/10456-g2x-03-2019/11553-330e/
So if anyone is interested in the G20 330e, look for B48B20B on the engine block

Interesting .............. this crowd reckon 307 hp and massive 477 Nm of torque with a map.......... for further increases they claim intake and exhaust parts improvements ..... more capable turbochargers, intercoolers, injectors and other accompanying parts.

https://www.ziptuning.com/blog/tuning-for-bmw-330e-iperformance/

With just a map you are getting more bhp but less torque?

SeanaciousD

Augeo wrote: »

Interesting .............. this crowd reckon 307 hp and massive 477 Nm of torque with a map.......... for further increases they claim intake and exhaust parts improvements ..... more capable turbochargers, intercoolers, injectors and other accompanying parts.

https://www.ziptuning.com/blog/tuning-for-bmw-330e-iperformance/

With just a map you are getting more bhp but less torque?

Yeah I'm not sure about the numbers these guys are getting. If it's a proper dyno run it should be higher due to electric motor, unless they've disabled it for some reason?

They did a 320i here https://www.ziptuning.com/news/bmw-320i-tuning-286-hp-and-435-nm-for-a-whole-different-car/

Those numbers match up close with what I get from the engine alone, with the same boost figure (1.4bar) but their 330e should be posting higher. That torque figure especially is way off, as the motor makes an additional 250Nm in conjunction with the engine (at low RPM mind). It's a great result without the motor though.

bazz26

Augeo wrote: »

Surely a 4 cyl petrol would be more refined? In a similar spec car of course. I'm not suggesting a base spec Octavia is as refined but surely a 530i would be more so.

A petrol even in 4 cylinder would obviously be more refined but there is a nice sound from the straight 6 even in diesel form.

carsfan2 wrote: »

I thought you had discounted a 4 gc when you bought your current car and aren’t a fan of Morissons either?
However the grey car with the tan leather is nice alright and I think worth a premium over the other one.
To be honest I would have thought a high spec 530e might suit you more.
With regards to the fault on your own, is it something that could be bypassed some way or is it immediately obvious to whoever assessed it?
Also what it costs a dealer to put right is a fraction of what it costs you so might not be worth doing if you’re changing.

I fancy a smaller more nimble car than the 5 Series this time as I've had 3 of them in a row. A 530e doesn't really work for me either as getting a home charger fitted is a pain for me due to where my fuse board is located.
That particular 4 Series has some nice extras on it such as adaptive chassis, adaptive led headlights, merino leather, HUD, etc. There is always going to be a trade off on finish when moving to a car below the 5 Series but the upgraded merino leather soften's the blow a little and I'm happy to sacrifice a bit of comfort for better handling.

Regarding Morrisson's, yes I've had bad a experience with them a few years ago and won't deal with a certain individual in there if he is still there but if their cost to change was respectable this time round I'd consider it. If they low balled me again then I'd just walk and wouldn't darken their door ever again.

Regarding the part in my F10 costing a dealer less than what it would cost me, for sure but it doesn't always translate that way into a trade-in valuation with some of them, they will take off what it costs you rather than what it costs them to make a bit more money on the deal and start giving you BS about having to diagnose the problem themselves, etc. Your always at a disadvantage in that situation so I'd rather not go in there on the back foot.

Anyway, I'm in no hurry or under any pressure so I'll bide my time. Anyone like to make a guess at a cost to change figure for that 430d, it's retailing at 38k. Mine is a 151 530d M Sport with 76k miles, ex UK car with one Irish owner (me), M Sport Plus pack, oyster leather, widescreen Prov Nav, Convenience Pack - electric memory front seats with power folding door mirrors, electric tilt steering wheel and electric sunroof. NCT until May 2021.

bazz26

bazz26 wrote: »

A petrol even in 4 cylinder would obviously be more refined but there is a nice sound from the straight 6 even in diesel form.



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Apologies, I didn't think it was the sound you were referring to........

bazz26 wrote: »

......... smooth 6 cylinders ........

bazz26 wrote: »

......... Anyone like to make a guess at a cost to change figure for that 430d, it's retailing at 38k. Mine is a 151 530d M Sport with 76k miles, ex UK car with one Irish owner (me), M Sport Plus pack, oyster leather, widescreen Prov Nav, Convenience Pack - electric memory front seats with power folding door mirrors, electric tilt steering wheel and electric sunroof. NCT until May 2021.

€20/22k

bazz26

I wouldn't pay that sort of money anyway just to move up 2 years to a smaller car that's already 3 years old.

SeanaciousD

SeanaciousD wrote: »

Yeah I'm not sure about the numbers these guys are getting. If it's a proper dyno run it should be higher due to electric motor, unless they've disabled it for some reason?...........

Electric motor is enabled........... shows just under 270 bhp 425 Nm ish original and 307 bhp, 477Nm mapped ......... it's way above the 291 Nm that the ICE produces alone

Max bhp at 4750rpm........ max torque falls away after 4500 rpm.

Definitely a conservative approach in comparison but the figures charted definitely inlcude the electric motor.

SeanaciousD wrote: »

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They did a 320i here https://www.ziptuning.com/news/bmw-320i-tuning-286-hp-and-435-nm-for-a-whole-different-car/

Those numbers match up close with what I get from the engine alone, with the same boost figure (1.4bar) but their 330e should be posting higher. That torque figure especially is way off, as the motor makes an additional 250Nm in conjunction with the engine (at low RPM mind). It's a great result without the motor though.

They removed the catalyst as well as a stage 2 map, suggests stage 1 map is all that can be done without nuts & bolts changes (in their systems anyway)

bazz26

bazz26 wrote: »

I wouldn't pay that sort of money anyway just to move up 2 years to a smaller car that's already 3 years old.

I could be way off (€4/5k off the €22k maybe), but Morrison's probably are going to release you're car to the trade if you traded it in.

vintagevrs

bazz26 wrote: »

Mine is a 151 530d M Sport with 76k miles, ex UK car with one Irish owner (me), M Sport Plus pack, oyster leather, widescreen Prov Nav, Convenience Pack - electric memory front seats with power folding door mirrors, electric tilt steering wheel and electric sunroof. NCT until May 2021.

Is this up for sale somewhere yet? Sounds like a car that won't sit around.

bazz26

Nope, just thinking out loud at the moment.

Wailin

vintagevrs wrote: »

Is this up for sale somewhere yet? Sounds like a car that won't sit around.

Well mine would have a similar appeal to bazz's and is sitting around now after 17 days with over 1300 views, one phone call and one message. Your car was up for awhile too? Unless you're desperate to get rid of the car and under cut your asking price by a few grand, it will sit around for another long while I'd say.

Wailin

Augeo wrote: »

I could be way off (€4/5k off the €22k maybe), but Morrison's probably are going to release you're car to the trade if you traded it in.

Curious as to why you would think a bmw dealer wouldn't sell a 5 year old bmw 5 series themselves?

Wailin

Wailin wrote: »

.............it will sit around for another long while I'd say.

That's the think........ it can take up to 6 to 8 weeks to sell a car even when it's priced fairly. Dealers charge for the fact they've money sitting on their forecourts for weeks on end

Wailin

Wailin wrote: »

Curious as to why you would think a bmw dealer wouldn't sell a 5 year old bmw 5 series themselves?

Morrison's have 97 cars for sale ...... of that 1 is a 151 (43,550 mls 520d Msport) and 1 is a 152 (65,954 mls X4 xDrive20d xLine).......

At 5 years old and 76k miles you are likely at the stage where they are going to just offload it to the trade rather than retail it with a 2 year approved BMW warranty IMO.

BMW APPROVED USED CARS - 2 Year Unlimited Mileage BMW Warranty.

They don't offer any other BMW used cars afaik so they can't just sell it with a 12 month warranty?

bazz26

I think they sell BMW AUC up to 6 years old and 150,000 km.

mickdw

They might retail tasty stuff like that with good spec and history but in general, stuff at 5 years old doesnt seem to make the main dealer forecourt too often.

bazz26

Yeah, they make some exceptions around the age if the mileage is low and there is plenty of profit in it. On the regular rough/high mileage stuff, most of it is sold off to the trade.

carsfan2

I’d guess about 17/18k to change To the 430d but I was wrong about the 440 when Wailin went looking. That would be after a bit of horse trading though.
The warranty is worth a couple of grand and it probably has service pack remaining.
It might depend what time you make a move too, whether they’ve hade a good or slow month.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they sold your car themselves. It’s a nice spec and they get plenty of people looking for nice spec cars. I noticed recently when I was there that they were selling non BMW and mini trade ins themselves lately. They had a glc Mercedes, jag xf and Audi A5 as stock. Maybe good second hand is in short supply but it was the kind of stuff they would not normally have.
The grey 430 is a lovely spec with the adaptive lights,suspension etc.
What happened to put you off them? Something similar to Wailin in Bolands?I have found them a cut above other BMW dealers generally.
PM if you prefer

bazz26

The senior guy I was dealing with at the time thought he was dealing with a thicko from the city with his low ball offer. Telling me he could buy my car for half nothing in the UK yet half the cars on their forecourt were UK imports with inflated prices that he no doubt paid half price for too. Wasn't willing to budge much on the price when I challenged him on it and he basically said take it or leave it. I got a better deal on a higher spec car from Keary's in Cork. Same guy texted me a few days later asking if I was still interested in his car and there would be a bit of movement on the price. I just replied, "no thanks, I bought already - you had your chance."

1jcdub

Wailin wrote: »

Thanks for the offer, I might take you up on it! Is yours the G20 or F30?

Mine is the f30

Wailin

Whatever you do bazz, if going for a 4 series, make sure it has the adaptive dampers. Makes a hell of a difference to the handling.