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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #6812
    Lyle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Lyle


    faceman wrote: »
    Children aren’t spreaders to other children or adults. That’s been well documented in a number of studies. Risk is extremely low.

    https://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/health/coronavirus/nursery-centre-covid-19-outbreak-assures-people-there-no-risk-wider-public-milton-keynes-2895764

    "Acorn nursery at Westcroft re-opened on June 1 and over the past 10 days has seen 20 children, staff and family members test positive for Covid-19."

    There were also school closures in Leeds, Burnley, Bournemouth and South Yorkshire in the past week because of cases, though I think they were more precautionary measures taken after one positive test. Could be wrong on that but there were definitely closures. The nursery, on the other hand, is a cluster in a bubble (pod) of children.

    It's not 100% clear cut with kids just yet, we need to keep an eye on stuff like this over the next two months while the Department pulls its head out of its ass and comes up with a workable plan for schools here. Having our childcare and summer camps open here from today will hopefully yield no cases, but if they do it could be vital info for school planning.


  • #6813
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    I am so happy reading this :):):)

    This is one of those Shawshank redemption escape moments... we crawled through a pipe full of "I have a cause for concern" "We are not there yet" "The new normal" "Would you have some cop on" - only to come out clean on the other side. And its good to hear normality.

    Haircut, pints, Italian dinner on my to do list this week. Cant wait

    Do, make sure you enjoy the next two months whilst of course acting safely. It will be a long winter from September inwards.


  • #6814
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Lyle wrote: »
    https://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/health/coronavirus/nursery-centre-covid-19-outbreak-assures-people-there-no-risk-wider-public-milton-keynes-2895764

    "Acorn nursery at Westcroft re-opened on June 1 and over the past 10 days has seen 20 children, staff and family members test positive for Covid-19."

    There were also school closures in Leeds, Burnley, Bournemouth and South Yorkshire in the past week because of cases, though I think they were more precautionary measures taken after one positive test. Could be wrong on that but there were definitely closures. The nursery, on the other hand, is a cluster in a bubble (pod) of children.

    It's not 100% clear cut with kids just yet, we need to keep an eye on stuff like this over the next two months while the Department pulls its head out of its ass and comes up with a workable plan for schools here. Having our childcare and summer camps open here from today will hopefully yield no cases, but if they do it could be vital info for school planning.

    Did the lads from Iraq stop through on their way?


  • #6815
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Do, make sure you enjoy the next two months whilst of course acting safely. It will be a long winter from September inwards.

    What do you mean?


  • #6816
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    What do you mean?

    2nd wave I imagine. A tsunami of misery on the horizon


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  • #6817
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,673 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Lyle wrote: »
    https://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/health/coronavirus/nursery-centre-covid-19-outbreak-assures-people-there-no-risk-wider-public-milton-keynes-2895764

    "Acorn nursery at Westcroft re-opened on June 1 and over the past 10 days has seen 20 children, staff and family members test positive for Covid-19."

    There were also school closures in Leeds, Burnley, Bournemouth and South Yorkshire in the past week because of cases, though I think they were more precautionary measures taken after one positive test. Could be wrong on that but there were definitely closures. The nursery, on the other hand, is a cluster in a bubble (pod) of children.

    It's not 100% clear cut with kids just yet, we need to keep an eye on stuff like this over the next two months while the Department pulls its head out of its ass and comes up with a workable plan for schools here. Having our childcare and summer camps open here from today will hopefully yield no cases, but if they do it could be vital info for school planning.

    Interesting, I'd like to see more on this, I'm sure there is more to it than what's printed. Also the UK is a mess at the moment.

    Luke O'Neill was on the radio today briefly talking about kids going back to school. He cited 3 independent reports into the low risk of transmission from children.

    I think its fair to say its an ever evolving situation too.


  • #6818
    Lyle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Lyle


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    Did the lads from Iraq stop through on their way?

    That damn glamorous Iraq - Milton Keynes - North West Ireland tourist route will be the doom of us all!


  • #6819
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    2nd wave I imagine. A tsunami of misery on the horizon

    Inwards is kind of in reverse.


  • #6820
    Wallander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭Wallander


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    EU border controls are to be lifted from 1st of July for all EU citizens. Good luck to the CMO dragging out travel for much longer after that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53222356


    Has it occurred to anyone else that with the UK also opening up to Europe in the coming days potentially a fair few folk from the EU or UK might book trips to Dublin without a clue we are still quarantining? None of the international reports saying the EU is fully opening make reference to little old Ireland.


  • #6821
    Lyle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Lyle


    faceman wrote: »
    Interesting, I'd like to see more on this, I'm sure there is more to it than what's printed. Also the UK is a mess at the moment.

    I'd love to see the surrounding circumstances explained more as well. Particularly highlighting the first case of the 20 and its origins, how many of the kids in the bubble tested positive, etc. Hopefully more info will come out about it, it's a unique situation from what I've read.
    faceman wrote: »
    Luke O'Neill was on the radio today briefly talking about kids going back to school. He cited 3 independent reports into the low risk of transmission from children.

    I think its fair to say its an ever evolving situation too.

    100%, and every day now it feels like there could be an event that could potentially change how we look at certain vectors of spread! The upside we have is the fact that we now have the two month buffer before we send all the kids back to school, hopefully the Department of Education will be hard at work prepping for different circumstances that may arise from cases, or a lack thereof, stemming from childcare over the summer.


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  • #6822
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,673 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Wallander wrote: »
    Has it occurred to anyone else that with the UK also opening up to Europe in the coming days potentially a fair few folk from the EU or UK might book trips to Dublin without a clue we are still quarantining? None of the international reports saying the EU is fully opening make reference to little old Ireland.

    Its not clear how vocal Ireland is in these meetings at EU level. I wouldn't be surprised if we are telling the EU we will look after our own borders. Ireland is definitely terrified of singling out the UK and the USA as a threat to transmission rates in this country. Other countries have been quite vocal about it.


  • #6823
    greensheep777
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭greensheep777


    Wallander wrote: »
    Has it occurred to anyone else that with the UK also opening up to Europe in the coming days potentially a fair few folk from the EU or UK might book trips to Dublin without a clue we are still quarantining? None of the international reports saying the EU is fully opening make reference to little old Ireland.

    They probably hear that Ireland is in the EU and think it applies full-time, rather than just when it suits. Don't they know Ireland is special???


  • #6824
    Wallander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭Wallander


    greensheep777 wrote: »
    They probably hear that Ireland is in the EU and think it applies full-time, rather than just when it suits. Don't they know Ireland is special???


    Perhaps some ministers desperately need to tour EU capitals to communicate the big new 'Stay at home you viral foreign hordes!' tourist strategy


  • #6825
    Spencer Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Spencer Brown


    This thread has taken such a downturn to despondency, pessimism, and anxiety over the last few days.


  • #6826
    gral6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 734 ✭✭✭gral6


    Spencer Brown wrote: »
    This thread has taken such a downturn to despondency, pessimism, and anxiety over the last few days.

    New government does fuc.. all, this is why. Get rid of uselless 14day isolation for the start !


  • #6827
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,171 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    gral6 wrote: »
    New government does fuc.. all, this is why. Get rid of uselless 14day isolation for the start !

    That is the worst suggestion in this thread today. Only thing we need to be hanging on to right now .


  • #6828
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    faceman wrote: »
    Its not clear how vocal Ireland is in these meetings at EU level. I wouldn't be surprised if we are telling the EU we will look after our own borders. Ireland is definitely terrified of singling out the UK and the USA as a threat to transmission rates in this country. Other countries have been quite vocal about it.

    The proposal was passed
    Qualified majority witch means it has been adopted under the basis of article 16 of the treaty of European Union and article 238 of the treaty on the functioning of the European Union.
    Not much the Irish government can do to avoid travel now


  • #6829
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,537 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    greensheep777 wrote: »
    They probably hear that Ireland is in the EU and think it applies full-time, rather than just when it suits. Don't they know Ireland is special???

    Ireland is not in Schengen and many initiatives are Schengen and not the EU. In any case disease prevention measures can only be based on number of cases, not what people think.


  • #6830
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,673 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    ZX7R wrote: »
    The proposal was passed
    Qualified majority witch means it has been adopted under the basis of article 16 of the treaty of European Union and article 238 of the treaty on the functioning of the European Union.
    Not much the Irish government can do to avoid travel now

    This is both great and terrible news at the same time! lol. I suspect our preparedness as a result is zero. :pac:


  • #6831
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    faceman wrote: »
    This is both great and terrible news at the same time! lol. I suspect our preparedness as a result is zero. :pac:

    It was going to happen either ways.
    Bear in mind our travel advisory can still stay in place.
    Voluntary quarantine will have to go.


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  • #6832
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭Polar101


    ZX7R wrote: »
    The proposal was passed
    Qualified majority witch means it has been adopted under the basis of article 16 of the treaty of European Union and article 238 of the treaty on the functioning of the European Union.
    Not much the Irish government can do to avoid travel now

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-countries-edge-towards-list-of-safe-travel-countries-1.4292016
    The agreement does not apply to Ireland because it is not in the Schengen area of free travel, and has a Common Travel Area with Britain. The Schengen countries closed their borders to most travel from outside of the zone on March 17, but Ireland kept its borders open while requiring arrivals to quarantine.

    EU member states ultimately have the power to make their own decisions over their borders, but are keen to reach consensus to avoid a repeat of the uncoordinated cascade of border closures that occurred as the pandemic took hold in March.

    So let's see how it goes..


  • #6833
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Polar101 wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-countries-edge-towards-list-of-safe-travel-countries-1.4292016



    So let's see how it goes..

    I was waiting for a Irish based article to say this , funny Brittan are also not a member of Schengen either,
    Yet the citizens are also aloud to freely travel in the EU from July 1st till December 31 why because they are still to be treated as EU citizens till then.
    Also as pointed out in a EU commission memo released Last month Ireland never declared a national health emergency and in doing so didn't close thee borders.


  • #6834
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,141 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    At the end of the day the larger restaurants and chains are going to be bailed out and subsidised the little guy with one family business will go under.

    It's actually likely to be the reverse. The larger restaurants and chains have huge debts and rents to finance while the smaller family owned ones usually don't.

    There will be no specific bailout for restaurants.


  • #6835
    Hannibal36
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hannibal36


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    It's actually likely to be the reverse. The larger restaurants and chains have huge debts and rents to finance while the smaller family owned ones usually don't.

    There will be no specific bailout for restaurants.

    Not sure i believe that will happen,it would be a first where the little guy wins.

    I have been against all of this from early days but on the positive side maybe because we have been such good little boys here in Ireland and kept the numbers down we will get on a lot of countries travel list.

    At the moment it's not looking great for Britain as regards being on travel lists,hopefully our border with them isn't going to destroy all our lockdown hardwork and put us in the same boat as them.In some sense it would have all been worth it if get a good international rep and get to travel wherever we want.


  • #6836
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,106 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    I have been against all of this from early days but on the positive side maybe because we have been such good little boys here in Ireland and kept the numbers down we will get on a lot of countries travel list.

    Isn't that a bad thing, it means a lot of countries will give a green light to come here.


  • #6837
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Total deaths in Sweden 2019 were 88,766.

    By 15th June 2020 they are 49,586.


    It is not possible to make a direct comparison accurately until years end and Sweden declares the numbers who died from Covid-19.
    Mathematically however on a 6 month basis, Sweden has exceeded last years total deaths by 5203 with 15 days still to go before the end of the 6 months.
    Again mathematically With Sweden`s deaths averaging 240 a day, those 15 days would add another 3,600

    That's almost within normal range, their total deaths in 2018 of 92k. Excess seems just under or around 10k, but that's if the next 6 months are the same as the last 6 months, which they almost definitely will not be.


  • #6838
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    faceman wrote: »
    This is both great and terrible news at the same time! lol. I suspect our preparedness as a result is zero. :pac:

    Another issue where we dropped the ball. Others were moving on this 6 weeks ago.


  • #6839
    Wallander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭Wallander


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    Another issue where we dropped the ball. Others were moving on this 6 weeks ago.

    If you invested a fraction of the lost income from tourism you could indeed have a robust airport testing system like Greece or hidden temperature screens like in Spanish airports to make welcoming visitors again safer. Yet I think Varadkar made some comments last week suggesting Ireland is planning neither.


  • #6840
    Hannibal36
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hannibal36


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Isn't that a bad thing, it means a lot of countries will give a green light to come here.

    I would imagine travel arrangements and deals will be done politically between countries with low numbers so theoretically it shouldn't cause a massive spike in either country.

    Personally i want to leave Ireland as soon as things hit some kind of normal worldwide,the future is pretty grim here no matter what way things shake out and i would advise anybody with options to think along the same lines.


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  • #6841
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    I would imagine travel arrangements and deals will be done politically between countries with low numbers so theoretically it shouldn't cause a massive spike in either country.

    Personally i want to leave Ireland as soon as things hit some kind of normal worldwide,the future is pretty grim here no matter what way things shake out and i would advise anybody with options to think along the same lines.

    I am just back after nearly ten years abroad and I have decided to look again at options.


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