Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Plumbthedepths · 28-06-2020 10:12PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How about South Korea and Austrailia?

The evidence is there in the measures other countries have had to take after opening bars. Which is basically shutting them down again within days.

You don't need to be particularly bright to understand why a pub environment is not a good place to be right now.

Can you link a few European countries where the bars were closed again after reopening? I have no issue with positive or negative facts , but I do have an issue with your BS guesswork.

28-06-2020 10:13PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Ah come on give it a rest, are you really trying to compare us to the states ? A country that never got a grip on things before ploughing ahead with a reopening of literally everything after shut downs that lasted only a few weeks. They opened up before getting any sort of grip on the situation, partially due to the orange clown in the white house.

In what way are we remotely simular to the situation that they find themselves in across the Atlantic.

Kermit stated on here before that he just hates pubs and Irish drinking culture. And the bookies too.

I’d imagine that is the real reason he wants pubs to stay closed.

28-06-2020 10:14PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Ah come on give it a rest, are you really trying to compare us to the states ? A country that never got a grip on things before ploughing ahead with a reopening of literally everything after shut downs that lasted only a few weeks. They opened up before getting any sort of grip on the situation, partially due to the orange clown in the white house.

In what way are we remotely simular to the situation that they find themselves in across the Atlantic.

Kermit stated on here before that he just hates pubs and Irish drinking culture. And the bookies too.

I’d imagine that is the real reason he wants pubs to stay closed.

Non solum non ambulabit · 28-06-2020 10:16PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How about South Korea and Austrailia?

The evidence is there in the measures other countries have had to take after opening bars. Which is basically shutting them down again within days.

You don't need to be particularly bright to understand why a pub environment is not a good place to be right now.

S. Korea has a 7 day average of 44 cases and less than 1 death in a population of 51m. They are fine.

Kermit.de.frog · 28-06-2020 10:16PM

Spencer Brown wrote: »

7 out of 58, let's not let facts get in the way of a bit of scaremongering though?

It's reality, not scaremongering, the usual refrain from the uninitiated.

I don't want outbreaks because Paddy needs to drink in a pub. You can drink at home.

What we are doing is putting the country at risk for the vintners which is something people should be concerned about for alot of reasons.

You get a couple of hundred infected from one event and your tune will change so fast given the consequences.

We should not be opening pubs.

stephenjmcd · 28-06-2020 10:16PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How about South Korea and Austrailia?

The evidence is there in the measures other countries have had to take after opening bars. Which is basically shutting them down again within days.

You don't need to be particularly bright to understand why a pub environment is not a good place to be right now.

Anything a little closer to home before you go globe trotting as usual ??

South korea - nightclubs we don't have them open and won't any time soon. Again rolling average is low.

Australia - where is closed?? Only tonight I've had 2 friends posting on social media from bars in Australia.

So where has had to close things within days ??

I think your main issue is with pubs in general and that's fine, you can stay at home nobody is forcing anyone into one.

All coming from the poster who said "strap yourself in for the second wave" so forgive me if I don't see past the complete and utter fear mongering

Kermit.de.frog · 28-06-2020 10:22PM

The usual casual insults from the usual suspects.

I repeat it is fatal to progress to open the pubs at this time.

Believe it, don't believe it. I don't care.

It's pretty clear it will be more your problem than mine later on.

Plumbthedepths · 28-06-2020 10:23PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's reality, not scaremongering, the usual refrain from the uninitiated.

I don't want outbreaks because Paddy needs to drink in a pub. You can drink at home.

What we are doing is putting the country at risk for the vintners which is something people should be concerned about for alot of reasons.

You get a couple of hundred infected from one event and your tune will change so fast given the consequences.

We should not be opening pubs.

I'll ask you again please provide evidence of European countries closing pubs after reopening. You are aware I hope of how many people rely on the on license trade for a living.
Drinking at home should never be encouraged.

ACitizenErased · 28-06-2020 10:24PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The usual casual insults from the usual suspects.

I repeat it is fatal to progress to open the pubs at this time.

Believe it, don't believe it. I don't care.

It's pretty clear it will be more your problem than mine later on.

Can you quote the insult?

fritzelly · 28-06-2020 10:24PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The usual casual insults from the usual suspects.

I repeat it is fatal to progress to open the pubs at this time.

Believe it, don't believe it. I don't care.

It's pretty clear it will be more your problem than mine later on.

The bars are not opening en masse and have strict restrictions on them

By the time the bars are fully open we'll probably be down to zero cases for over a week

28-06-2020 10:25PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The usual casual insults from the usual suspects.

I repeat it is fatal to progress to open the pubs at this time.

Believe it, don't believe it. I don't care.

It's pretty clear it will be more your problem than mine later on.

Your posts are embarrassing.
We know you hate pubs.

Any stand out numbers from Zimbabwe today?

ACitizenErased · 28-06-2020 10:26PM

The agenda pushing of people on here when posting numbers has gone beyond the joke tbh.

Plumbthedepths · 28-06-2020 10:29PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The usual casual insults from the usual suspects.

I repeat it is fatal to progress to open the pubs at this time.

Believe it, don't believe it. I don't care.

It's pretty clear it will be more your problem than mine later on.

Yet you won't answer how many countries in Europe have closed pubs after reopening. Your repeated scaremongering on this thread is absolutely deplorable and why you still have posting rights is beyond my comprehension.
As I said I don't have an issue with facts but inline with the thread title, this particular thread is related to Ireland yet your posts mainly dwell on countries where the virus is rampant.

ACitizenErased · 28-06-2020 10:32PM

More good vaccine news today. Really looking up now. Amara group have today announced that their "Modified Vaccinia Ankara Based SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Expressing Full-Length Spike Induces Strong Neutralizing Antibody Response".

There is a great need for the development of vaccines for preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection and mitigating the COVID-19 pandemic. Here, we developed two modified vaccinia Ankara (MVA) based vaccines which express either a membrane anchored full-length spike protein (MVA/S) stabilized in a prefusion state or the S1 region of the spike (MVA/S1) which forms trimers and is secreted. Both immunogens contained the receptor-binding domain (RBD) which is a known target of antibody-mediated neutralization. Following immunizations with MVA/S or MVA/S1, both spike protein recombinants induced strong IgG antibodies to purified full-length SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. The MVA/S induced a robust antibody response to purified RBD, S1 and S2 whereas MVA/S1 induced an antibody response to the S1 region outside of the RBD region. Both vaccines induced an antibody response in the lung and that was associated with induction of bronchus-associated lymphoid tissue. MVA/S but not MVA/S1 vaccinated mice generated robust neutralizing antibody responses against SARS-CoV-2 that strongly correlated with RBD antibody binding titers. Mechanistically, S1 binding to ACE-2 was strong but reduced following prolonged pre-incubation at room temperature suggesting confirmation changes in RBD with time. These results demonstrate MVA/S is a potential vaccine candidate against SARS-CoV-2 infection.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.27.175166v1

Kermit.de.frog · 28-06-2020 10:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The agenda pushing of people on here when posting numbers has gone beyond the joke tbh.

The world is in the middle of an ever worsening pandemic and we are opening up our pubs.

Some need a reality check, fast and I'd rather it wasn't forced on us like it's being forced on others now.

ACitizenErased · 28-06-2020 10:34PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The world is in the middle of an ever worsening pandemic and we are opening up our pubs.

Some need a reality check, fast and I'd rather it wasn't forced on us like it's being forced on others now.

You don't like pubs, we get it. Old news.

fritzelly · 28-06-2020 10:43PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The world is in the middle of an ever worsening pandemic and we are opening up our pubs.

Some need a reality check, fast and I'd rather it wasn't forced on us like it's being forced on others now.

60-ish countries have had over 100 cases today
30 over 500
20 over 1000
3 over 10,000

150 countries have had less than 100

The world seems to be doing pretty damn well at containing it and getting on with life
Americas and a few 3rd world countries not so

But Ireland should stay shut for the next decade just to be sure - fortunately we are not in the Americas or elsewhere

Kermit.de.frog · 28-06-2020 10:45PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

More good vaccine news today. Really looking up now. Amara group have today announced that their "Modified Vaccinia Ankara Based SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Expressing Full-Length Spike Induces Strong Neutralizing Antibody Response".

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.27.175166v1

The good news will be arriving for the next 10 years. I don't believe there will ever be a vaccine. I hope that's not the case but I don't think it will be.

At some point people are going to have to accept, that while we can have hope of comprehensive treatment, the world has changed. We are never going back to the pre Christmas normal in 2019, that's gone in my view.

And it has changed, not because of this particular virus, but because as a community we screwed things up in a way that 10 years a go would be scarcely believable. We allowed China free pass to ignore global demands after SARS to ensure it would have the minuscule risk of ever happening again.

We are paying the price now.

I'm all for hope but word of a vaccine in months or years is all nonsense driven by different agendas and in particular financial motives that is not going to happen.

SeaBreezes · 28-06-2020 10:45PM

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1277076628791754752

SeaBreezes · 28-06-2020 10:47PM

https://twitter.com/tmprowell/status/1277042402809622529

ACitizenErased · 28-06-2020 10:47PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The good news will be arriving for the next 10 years. I don't believe there will ever be a vaccine. I hope that's not the case but I don't think it will be.

At some point people are going to have to accept, that while we can have hope of comprehensive treatment, the world has changed. We are never going back to the pre Christmas normal in 2019, that's gone in my view.

And it has changed, not because of this particular virus, but because as a community we screwed things up in a way that 10 years a go would be scarcely believable. We allowed China free pass to ignore global demands after SARS to ensure it would have the minuscule risk of ever happening again.

We are paying the price now.

I'm all for hope but word of a vaccine in months or years is all nonsense driven by different agendas and in particular financial motives that is not going to happen.

You're a bundle of joy.

MipMap · 28-06-2020 10:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You're comparing us to California? In what way are we the same as California?

Yes Kermit.
For God's sake - This is Ireland.
Do you think for one moment WE would behave like a bunch of Californians.
just because the pubs are open? Do you expect that in the next week or so we will see embarrasing scenes of Irish people in pubs disregarding social distancing protocols or behaving irresponsibly?
Absurd!

nocoverart · 28-06-2020 10:50PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The usual casual insults from the usual suspects.

I repeat it is fatal to progress to open the pubs at this time.

Believe it, don't believe it. I don't care.

It's pretty clear it will be more your problem than mine later on.

I don't think people really insult you on here, if anything I feel you get off lightly. You're so transparent that once you read 'Kermit' you know there's a negative outlook coming no matter the current situation and that frustrates people. You really do come across like you enjoy it all and people can sense that. You probably have a void that needs filling but I'm not sure. TBH I think the best move you made on here was naming yourself after a Muppet.

fritzelly · 28-06-2020 10:51PM

We really need a snow storm right now - thinking The Day after Tomorrow type

ChikiChiki · 28-06-2020 10:51PM

carq wrote: »

Why are there still 3 flights daily from US landing in dublin?
Should we not be banning inbound flights from the worst country in the world?

All passengers should be fired into a hotel for 2 weeks with Garda security. A strong message needs to be sent to the Trump administration.

Kermit.de.frog · 28-06-2020 10:53PM

fritzelly wrote: »

60-ish countries have had over 100 cases today
30 over 500
20 over 1000
3 over 10,000

150 countries have had less than 100

The world seems to be doing pretty damn well at containing it and getting on with life
Americas and a few 3rd world countries not so

But Ireland should stay shut for the next decade just to be sure - fortunately we are not in the Americas or elsewhere

I don't want want to be back here in late Autumn when it's 500 cases a day saying 'I told you so'.

I really don't.

I'd rather we protected ourselves by being responsible particularly on the path to Autumn.

The CDC could not be clearer in its warnings regarding seasonal changes and this disease and the evidence is there for all to see in the southern hemisphere.

Even shut off Australia, the last domino in the southern hemisphere, it's cases are now increasing.

It will be no good pleading ignorance if (I suspect when) this takes off again.

Plumbthedepths · 28-06-2020 10:54PM

nocoverart wrote: »

I don't think people really insult you on here, if anything I feel you get off lightly. You're so transparent that once you read 'Kermit' you know there's a negative outlook coming no matter the current situation and that frustrates people. You really do come across like you enjoy it all and people can sense that. You probably have a void that needs filling but I'm not sure. TBH I think the best move you made on here was naming yourself after a Muppet.

Sir/ Madam
I wish to applaud your reply, you put my thoughts into words far more eloquently than I could.

28-06-2020 10:56PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The good news will be arriving for the next 10 years. I don't believe there will ever be a vaccine. I hope that's not the case but I don't think it will be.

At some point people are going to have to accept, that while we can have hope of comprehensive treatment, the world has changed. We are never going back to the pre Christmas normal in 2019, that's gone in my view.

And it has changed, not because of this particular virus, but because as a community we screwed things up in a way that 10 years a go would be scarcely believable. We allowed China free pass to ignore global demands after SARS to ensure it would have the minuscule risk of ever happening again.

We are paying the price now.

I'm all for hope but word of a vaccine in months or years is all nonsense driven by different agendas and in particular financial motives that is not going to happen.

So you don’t think pubs should open but you think there won’t ever be a vaccine? So pubs should never open again?

I’m confused about what you actually want?

Non solum non ambulabit · 28-06-2020 10:57PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The world is in the middle of an ever worsening pandemic and we are opening up our pubs

Ireland isn't worsening and I don't think a pint of Guinness in Doolin will have any impact on Florida.

WoollyRedHat · 28-06-2020 10:59PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tmprowell/status/1277042402809622529

Just to add, this is what it looked like when it reopened on 8th June-
https://twitter.com/IamKaishi29/status/1270213717901414412?s=20

Second video... I'm not terribly surprised that they had a surge of 85 cases due to that carry-on. There's a way to reopen in a responsible manner and that certainly wasn't it

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