Renault 19s - esp. phase 1 and TSE

07-06-2020 1:21pm

BrianD3 wrote: »

...... yet many people including myself remember them as being one of the fastest vehicles on the road ......

It's no wonder folk with a Honda civic thought they were really fast so

A petrol corolla would have left a 19 van standing.

kev1.3s · 07-06-2020 2:22pm

Augeo wrote: »

It's no wonder folk with a Honda civic thought they were really fast so

A petrol corolla would have left a 19 van standing.

I remember my 19 van giving my friends Orion a trashing on many occasion

07-06-2020 2:31pm

kev1.3s wrote: »

I remember my 19 van giving my friends Orion a trashing on many occasion

No doubt the 1.3 and 1.4-litre CVH Ford engines were not at all sprightly...... Once rolling the diesel Renault had more guts but it depends on what you consider a thrashing....... Both woefully slow TBH.

Bit of rosetints going on with 19s IMO.

RandomViewer · 07-06-2020 4:12pm

curvedxl wrote: »

Haven't seen one around for years. Probably all driven into the ground like most vans.

All the little vans seem to vanish, the Caddy/Berlingo seem to take their
Place,

RandomViewer · 07-06-2020 4:15pm

Augeo wrote: »

It's no wonder folk with a Honda civic thought they were really fast so

A petrol corolla would have left a 19 van standing.

1.8 Corrolla van was a different class altogether, brilliant little van,
Pug 205 1.9 would eat A 19 van, looked and handled better as well

ba_barabus · 09-06-2020 2:13pm

BrianD3 wrote: »

Oh yeah I see that Ba_barabus is not content with just one 19 and is looking for another to restore.

He is but he's well aware of that green one. It's been sitting up since 07 outside and the last I heard they wanted €1000. I haven't seen it but I'd well imagine it's rusty.

As regards diesel VS. petrol my dad had a 1.9D Chamade back in the day. He drove a colleagues 19 1.4 for some reason and came back saying it was like a sports car in comparison.

Neither are a sports car but I really enjoy driving the 19.

BrianD3 · 09-06-2020 4:36pm

ba_barabus wrote: »

He is but he's well aware of that green one. It's been sitting up since 07 outside and the last I heard they wanted €1000. I haven't seen it but I'd well imagine it's rusty.

Better than this one that was on adverts. Jaysus. Rear wiper, the correct wheels on the front and leather rear seat but the less said about the rest the better.

https://www.adverts.ie/car/renault/19/1995-renault-19/15582733

RandomViewer · 09-06-2020 4:45pm

BrianD3 wrote: »

Better than this one that was on adverts. Jaysus. Rear wiper, the correct wheels on the front and leather rear seat but the less said about the rest the better.

https://www.adverts.ie/car/renault/19/1995-renault-19/15582733

That's rough, why would you do that to the doors?

ba_barabus · 09-06-2020 5:20pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

That's rough, why would you do that to the doors?

MAX POWER era

09-06-2020 11:10pm

We're getting into pretty nerdy stuff here but this attachment is a comparison between the R19 and other models for sale at the time;

r19.jpg

r19a.jpg

Collibosher · 10-06-2020 1:53am

BrianD3 wrote: »

Better than this one that was on adverts. Jaysus. Rear wiper, the correct wheels on the front and leather rear seat but the less said about the rest the better.

https://www.adverts.ie/car/renault/19/1995-renault-19/15582733

Collibosher wrote: »

...Oddly enough, a couple of years ago I was on the M50 and saw a Renault 19 coming along side me and was thinking that I'd not seen one in years, and it was my old one, but now a kind of matt black colour. 95D6808 if the owner reads this, would love a photo of it now.

I take that back :eek::D

BonnieSituation · 10-06-2020 2:07am

Collibosher wrote: »

I take that back :eek::D

That's fúcking gas!!!!

BrianD3 · 10-06-2020 2:01pm

Collibosher wrote: »

I take that back :eek::D

Sorry about that! I didn't cop that the reg was the same as the one you posted. According to the NCTS site, it passed an NCT in Jan 2015 so perhaps it hadn't been butchered at that point. Very likely scrapped and put out of its misery by now.

This thread has had a lot of views and posts now and there is only a small number of actual cars (in 2020) mentioned i.e. Renotec and Ba_barabus cars plus the Baccara that is for sale that hasn't had an NCT since 2007. I guess the 19 is going the way of many other French and Italian cars that sold quite well and are remembered with some fondness but by the time they approach classic status, there are hardly any left. Different in France etc.

What's next to disappear, maybe the Laguna II. Don't mention the fights that went on in these forums over them but they are much more reliable and long lasting (in 1.6/1.8 form at least) than they are given credit for. They are exceptionally well protected against rust - much more so than the R19 was, also much better than a Focus or Mondeo.

350 quid for a relatively clean one with low mileage and NCT (which can probably be extended by another 4 months due to Covid)
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-laguna-2001-nct-8-2020/24802443

For Forks Sake · 10-06-2020 4:29pm

At the opposite end of the spectrum, theres someone in Waterford selling a 1992 16v (lhd) asking £7.5k

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1223757

RandomViewer · 10-06-2020 5:45pm

For Forks Sake wrote: »

At the opposite end of the spectrum, theres someone in Waterford selling a 1992 16v (lhd) asking £7.5k

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1223757

Where's the scoop?

BrianD3 · 10-06-2020 5:50pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

Where's the scoop?

A lot of them don't have a scoop - see the original press photos etc. online.

It looks like scoops were more common on RHD cars than LHD (16S) ones.

RandomViewer · 10-06-2020 5:54pm

BrianD3 wrote: »

A lot of them don't have a scoop - see the original press photos etc. online.

It looks like scoops were more common on RHD cars than LHD (16S) ones.

It needs the scoop, looks too much like a 1.7 without it

BonnieSituation · 11-06-2020 9:19pm

BrianD3 wrote: »

Sorry about that! I didn't cop that the reg was the same as the one you posted. According to the NCTS site, it passed an NCT in Jan 2015 so perhaps it hadn't been butchered at that point. Very likely scrapped and put out of its misery by now.

This thread has had a lot of views and posts now and there is only a small number of actual cars (in 2020) mentioned i.e. Renotec and Ba_barabus cars plus the Baccara that is for sale that hasn't had an NCT since 2007. I guess the 19 is going the way of many other French and Italian cars that sold quite well and are remembered with some fondness but by the time they approach classic status, there are hardly any left. Different in France etc.

What's next to disappear, maybe the Laguna II. Don't mention the fights that went on in these forums over them but they are much more reliable and long lasting (in 1.6/1.8 form at least) than they are given credit for. They are exceptionally well protected against rust - much more so than the R19 was, also much better than a Focus or Mondeo.

350 quid for a relatively clean one with low mileage and NCT (which can probably be extended by another 4 months due to Covid)
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-laguna-2001-nct-8-2020/24802443

The Laguna II was such a cracking looking car. It still is.

BrianD3 · 12-06-2020 10:51am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The Laguna II was such a cracking looking car. It still is.

I have a 03 one, owned from new, 300k miles, off the road for a few years and has developed a couple of issues while parked up. Needs a few hundred spent on it to pass an NCT..

Even as a slow 1.6, it is a great car to drive.

My only regret is that I didn't buy a sport tourer instead of a hatch as I now think they look better again especially wih 17 inch "Silverstone" wheels, they also had more standard equipment.

kev1.3s · 21-06-2020 10:10pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/renault-19/25139252
Pics not great but you dont see many phase 1's for sale

kaizersoze · 22-06-2020 1:02pm

kev1.3s wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/renault-19/25139252
Pics not great but you dont see many phase 1's for sale

I rang him this morning......sold already.
Looked ok as well.

kev1.3s · 23-06-2020 11:20pm

kaizersoze wrote: »

I rang him this morning......sold already.
Looked ok as well.

This isn't the same one is it? I dont think it is but it's a coincidence to see two black 5 doors in the same week.
This one looks far nicer.

kev1.3s · 23-06-2020 11:21pm

Actually on reflection it is but someone has put some spit and polish on it.

BrianD3 · 24-06-2020 4:38pm

That TSE has been on donedeal a couple of times, good to see that it is still surviving. See below a pic of it from a few years ago. A 1989 R19 should have unpainted bumpers and mirrors, IIRC the late phase 1 TSEs did have colour coded bumpers/mirrors but retained the "chrome" strip on the bumpers and door strips.

Car looks better in the old pic in my view

New pic, someone has been at it with the black paint

"Will fly NCT" according to the ad but hasn't done so since 2012

kaizersoze · 24-06-2020 7:52pm

The paint on the front of the bonnet doesn't look right. Like it was painted with a brush.

BrianD3 wrote: »

That TSE has been on donedeal a couple of times, good to see that it is still surviving. See below a pic of it from a few years ago. A 1989 R19 should have unpainted bumpers and mirrors, IIRC the late phase 1 TSEs did have colour coded bumpers/mirrors but retained the "chrome" strip on the bumpers and door strips.

Car looks better in the old pic in my view

New pic, someone has been at it with the black paint

"Will fly NCT" according to the ad but hasn't done so since 2012

kaizersoze · 24-06-2020 7:56pm

kev1.3s wrote: »

This isn't the same one is it? I dont think it is but it's a coincidence to see two black 5 doors in the same week.
This one looks far nicer.

It is. New numberplate and a price increase......

kev1.3s · 24-06-2020 8:46pm

It would have made a lovely starter classic for someone at 1400

kaizersoze · 25-06-2020 1:09am

kev1.3s wrote: »

It would have made a lovely starter classic for someone at 1400

Would indeed. I have me doubts it was actually sold though.

ba_barabus · 26-06-2020 6:15pm

kev1.3s wrote: »

It would have made a lovely starter classic for someone at 1400

Yep and undoing the painted bumpers and sourcing the original chrome trim which has also been painted will be a right paint in the hole. Pity the original number plates are gone too.

I'd also take the mileage with a pinch of salt, I know a previous owner who sold it with higher mileage.......;)

Worth checking the brake lines have been replaced also....

colm_mcm · 26-06-2020 6:18pm

It won’t be passing an NCT with those plates anyway?

RandomViewer · 26-06-2020 7:06pm

ba_barabus wrote: »

Yep and undoing the painted bumpers and sourcing the original chrome trim which has also been painted will be a right paint in the hole. Pity the original number plates are gone too.

I'd also take the mileage with a pinch of salt, I know a previous owner who sold it with higher mileage.......;)

Worth checking the brake lines have been replaced also....

Number is familiar but can't place it, was it always black?

BrianD3 · 26-06-2020 7:28pm

My memory of black ph1 19s in Ireland is that they had beige interiors, not grey?

I see that car also has a"1.4 Energy" badge on the tailgate, Irish cars never had those which implies it has been imported. Yet the relatively low 1133 number and the old white number plates would imply that it was sold new here.

ba_barabus · 26-06-2020 8:08pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

It won’t be passing an NCT with those plates anyway?

I've heard two different things about that, some say post 1991 and they can't be used others say post 1987.

I see a 1990 registered Carina II that's been using them these past 10 years and it has a valid NCT.

ba_barabus · 26-06-2020 8:09pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

Number is familiar but can't place it, was it always black?

The body was, not the bumpers :pac:

As regards it's import status, numbers on imports used to be low enough back in the day which could explain that.

ba_barabus · 26-06-2020 8:33pm

BrianD3 wrote: »

My memory of black ph1 19s in Ireland is that they had beige interiors, not grey?

I've juct checked my Chamade launch brochure for Ireland and it has a grey velour interior, options list for TSE just states "velour trim" for the seating.

BrianD3 · 28-06-2020 12:57pm

I see the 19 was featured in Classic Car weekly last year

https://www.classiccarweekly.co.uk/buy-the-paper/2019/6/26/classic-car-weekly-26-june-2019
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/classic-car-weekly-uk/20190626/281719796119634

I'm amazed that CCW is still going, it seemed like an old giffer publication even in the 1990s. I well remember R19s when they were new (we owned a couple of them new), at around the same time CCW was full of features about P4 Rovers and Austin A30s. Suddenly, its 30 years later and there are articles about Renault 19s! Really drives home that life is quite short and the 1990s is a long time ago.

RandomViewer · 30-06-2020 1:35pm

BrianD3 wrote: »

I see the 19 was featured in Classic Car weekly last year

https://www.classiccarweekly.co.uk/buy-the-paper/2019/6/26/classic-car-weekly-26-june-2019
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/classic-car-weekly-uk/20190626/281719796119634

I'm amazed that CCW is still going, it seemed like an old giffer publication even in the 1990s. I well remember R19s when they were new (we owned a couple of them new), at around the same time CCW was full of features about P4 Rovers and Austin A30s. Suddenly, its 30 years later and there are articles about Renault 19s! Really drives home that life is quite short and the 1990s is a long time ago.

I remember screwing the plates and mudflaps on them when they were new, doesn't seem that long ago

kev1.3s · 30-06-2020 8:02pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/renault-19/25157561
Getting closer to its original asking price now

kaizersoze · 30-06-2020 10:48pm

kev1.3s wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/renault-19/25157561
Getting closer to its original asking price now

Not close enough.

BrianD3 · 31-07-2020 8:49am

I know some here are not fans of Meganes but anyway - time warp example on Donedeal for 895 quid. When was the last time anyone saw a Megane Mk1 phase 1 on our roads.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/car/25517203

RandomViewer · 31-07-2020 2:55pm

BrianD3 wrote: »

I know some here are not fans of Meganes but anyway - time warp example on Donedeal for 895 quid. When was the last time anyone saw a Megane Mk1 phase 1 on our roads.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/car/25517203

Seen a few Nordie ones the last few weeks,

ba_barabus · 02-08-2020 6:49pm

BrianD3 wrote: »

I know some here are not fans of Meganes but anyway - time warp example on Donedeal for 895 quid. When was the last time anyone saw a Megane Mk1 phase 1 on our roads.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/car/25517203

I've spoken to someone who has actually viewed it on a lift. They're lovely pictures......

kaizersoze · 16-08-2020 11:56pm

1989 Renault 19 TR with 22000 genuine miles...aparently.
Looks fairly spotless. Strong money though.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/renault-19-tr-22-000-genuine-miles/25668907
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unkel · 17-08-2020 12:17am

That is so clean, I love it. Not at all crazy money imho, if the car is as good as it looks. Nice find, kaizersoze

kaizersoze · 17-08-2020 1:18am

unkel wrote: »

That is so clean, I love it. Not at all crazy money imho, if the car is as good as it looks. Nice find, kaizersoze

You know...the more I look at it, the better value it looks!
Note to self....stop looking at it!:D

kev1.3s · 17-08-2020 6:31am

Seen it last night myself, fantastic looking car.

unkel · 17-08-2020 10:03am

And I have to admit I barely looked into this thread. The R19 is not on my favourites list at all, to put it mildly. But that car looks great. I guess what helps too is that it's a three door. Something you'd rarely see in modern hatchbacks unfortunately.

And wait a second. John in Kilkenny? Isn't that the Renault mechanic and Renault super fan who posts in this forum sometimes?

BrianD3 · 17-08-2020 10:46am

That is John from Kilkenny alright. All his cars seem to be very nice and he is fussy about what he buys

That 19 is a "poverty" spec model (plus higher spec wheels, bumpers and steering wheel) that was never sold in Ireland. Nerds will notice that there are no centre heating vents in the dash. There is something charming about the low spec IMO. The engine is the Cleon OHV 1.4 that can trace its design back to the early 1960s. Irish 19s had the more modern OHC Energy engine.

ba_barabus · 17-08-2020 2:21pm

That's my friends car. I've told him he is mad selling it. It is genuinely as fresh as it looks and very very comfy. Hats off to Brian too for the sharp eye too with the upgrades spotted.

BrianD3 · 17-08-2020 6:53pm

Here's a UK brochure from 1989 that includes the TR.

Renault 19s - esp. phase 1 and TSE

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