Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

gmisk · 28-06-2020 11:56AM

Booked my local barber for Saturday.
They never took bookings before.
Price has jumped from 15-20 euro though.

gmisk · 28-06-2020 11:58AM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

I don't consider staying in Ireland going on holidays. High prices, crap food, crap weather and the drink as much as you can culture make it unbearable.

Ireland has some brilliant food and not all places have a drink as much as you can culture...I will agree on the high prices though.

ChelseaRentBoy · 28-06-2020 12:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I disagree. Life goes on despite all the many threats we face on a daily basis - flu, pneumonia, cancer, COPD, dementia, car crashes, accidents, hunger etc etc.

Covid 19 is just 1 more illness to add to the list.

At the moment, we have structures in place were people can avoid the risk of catching Covid by staying in and collecting 350 a week while not paying their mortgage.

These kind of structures are completely unsustainable even in the short term. That’s the real reason restrictions are starting to get lifted and Tony is now saying we won’t have another lockdown.

Eventually, if people want to buy a property or keep their property, they’ll have to accept the risk and get out there to earn a living.

Eventually, more and more people will realise that living is more fun than hoping not to die.

For now, people are not dealing with these realities. They will be forced to eventually.

The alternative is that everyone can remain afraid of Covid and just not bother working/living, hoping that a vaccine will come. Society will eventually begin to crumble.

Holahan can say what he wants but when we end up in a Italy or Spain type scenario in a few months lockdown will be unavoidable.

Whatever the HSE have had to face the last few months will be nothing compared to what will unfold shortly.

ChelseaRentBoy · 28-06-2020 12:00PM

gmisk wrote: »

Ireland has some brilliant food and not all places have a drink as much as you can culture...I will agree on the high prices though.

Each to their own .

hmmm · 28-06-2020 12:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The alternative is that everyone can remain afraid of Covid and just not bother working/living, hoping that a vaccine will come. Society will eventually begin to crumble.

We'll know within a few months whether a vaccine will be available, and how soon - we'll also probably have some new monoclonal antibody treatments available.

It makes perfect sense for people to reduce their risk for now, and wait and see what happens. If we get to the end of 2020, and suddenly a vaccine does not look likely, then yes we'll have to reconsider our strategy.

People are working and living, but the majority are doing so in a restricted way until we know whether this vaccine or a treatment will become available.

bucketybuck · 28-06-2020 12:06PM

beggars_bush wrote: »

Don't let the begrudgery hit you on the way out

Apart from the thanks whoring what is that even supposed to mean? Begrudgery? What, do I begrudge the people paying €130 a night for a B+B? Do I begrudge the B+B for charging extortionate rates to take advantage of the situation?

And hit me on the way out, what sort of word salad is that? "Don't let the begrudery hit you", its like some sort of moronic nonsense that doesn't actually mean anything.

28-06-2020 12:11PM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

I don't consider staying in Ireland going on holidays. High prices, crap food, crap weather and the drink as much as you can culture make it unbearable.

Would you like Spanish or Greek wages to go with the prices?

thelad95 · 28-06-2020 12:11PM

I grew up with parents who "holidayed" in Ireland and have no memories but utter boredom and them worrying about the cost of everything having already probably dropped a few grand on the house we were staying in.

Driving to the same drab "attractions" every year which are poorly managed and signposted. Rain, misery, over-priced lunches, getting food from a deli for fear that they'd have to pay over 50 quid for lunch out somewhere. I really don't think we have a country big enough that would result in anywhere in Ireland being attractive to me for a "holiday".

When people post booking.com screen grabs showing a week on the West coast for 5 grand I can see why you wouldn't be bothered. A days travelling can take you by car to France with far more reasonable accommodation and food prices as well as experiencing a different culture. If you can stomach another days driving, you're in Spain. Oh and even with all that petrol and ferry costs, you'll still save a fortune on the week of misery in the West of Ireland.

ShyMets · 28-06-2020 12:14PM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Holahan can say what he wants but when we end up in a Italy or Spain type scenario in a few months lockdown will be unavoidable.

Whatever the HSE have had to face the last few months will be nothing compared to what will unfold shortly.

And your evidence for this is?

J Mysterio · 28-06-2020 12:23PM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

I don't consider staying in Ireland going on holidays. High prices, crap food, crap weather and the drink as much as you can culture make it unbearable.

Maybe you would be happier moving to another EU country. The four freedoms allows that dream to become a reality.

J Mysterio · 28-06-2020 12:26PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Apart from the thanks whoring what is that even supposed to mean? Begrudgery? What, do I begrudge the people paying €130 a night for a B+B? Do I begrudge the B+B for charging extortionate rates to take advantage of the situation?

And hit me on the way out, what sort of word salad is that? "Don't let the begrudery hit you", its like some sort of moronic nonsense that doesn't actually mean anything.

My local hotel has a room for 45e a night next week, ensuite. It's a very nice hotel. 60e for a deluxe room with river views.

average_runner · 28-06-2020 12:28PM

thelad95 wrote: »

I grew up with parents who "holidayed" in Ireland and have no memories but utter boredom and them worrying about the cost of everything having already probably dropped a few grand on the house we were staying in.

Driving to the same drab "attractions" every year which are poorly managed and signposted. Rain, misery, over-priced lunches, getting food from a deli for fear that they'd have to pay over 50 quid for lunch out somewhere. I really don't think we have a country big enough that would result in anywhere in Ireland being attractive to me for a "holiday".

When people post booking.com screen grabs showing a week on the West coast for 5 grand I can see why you wouldn't be bothered. A days travelling can take you by car to France with far more reasonable accommodation and food prices as well as experiencing a different culture. If you can stomach another days driving, you're in Spain. Oh and even with all that petrol and ferry costs, you'll still save a fortune on the week of misery in the West of Ireland.

To say Ireland is drab is unfair. We go away and stay home during summer, kids love both trips. The ones in Ireland are camping trips, where they get to roam with other kids, go up the wicklow mountains with us, zip line stuff etc. Ireland is great.
Other one is France, 34 degrees, campsite, pool etc kids love it.

Not going away this year, flight was meant to be yesterday. But best of luck to those flying away, enjoy it loads but take the responsible steps when you come back.

Deeper Blue · 28-06-2020 12:36PM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Holahan can say what he wants but when we end up in a Italy or Spain type scenario in a few months lockdown will be unavoidable.

Whatever the HSE have had to face the last few months will be nothing compared to what will unfold shortly.

Could you explain how we're going to end up like Italy or Spain please? Particularly considering it didn't happen in April and since social distancing is now the norm.

WhiteMemento9 · 28-06-2020 12:37PM

Risk of never fully recovering after coronavirus ‘very real,’ scientists say

“We thought this was only a respiratory virus. Turns out, it goes after the pancreas. It goes after the heart. It goes after the liver, the brain, the kidney and other organs. We didn’t appreciate that in the beginning,” said Dr. Eric Topol, a cardiologist and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute in La Jolla, California.

We still really don't exactly know the impact this can have on your health. We won't until it has been studied for much longer.

hmmm · 28-06-2020 12:40PM

The same people who were telling us how important it was to reopen everything for the sake of the economy, are now ****eing all over Irish hospitality businesses.

Was this really all for the sake of a pint in a bar in Spain?

acequion · 28-06-2020 12:56PM

I thought this was a thread about whether we should be relaxing restrictions more rapidly, not whether we should holiday or now live in either Ireland or abroad. Some people will come up with anything to attack the open up supporters.:rolleyes:

Firstly, no doubt all running costs are higher in Ireland which adds to higher prices passed on to the customer. And yes it's good that job conditions are perhaps better here for workers in tourism. But that's not the argument here. Your average Joe who works hard, wants his holiday, wants good bang for his buck and is not thinking about the wages of the guy who pulls his pint. As a consumer the traveller/tourist is attracted by the most competitive prices and he won't find them in Ireland.

Secondly, just because people hate Irish weather and complain about our sky high prices, that doesn't mean they want to move abroad.:rolleyes:

If good value for money and good weather is important for a holiday then staycationing is a non runner.

skelly22 · 28-06-2020 01:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have experienced it first hand as dozens of contractors where I work have been let go, some of whom I have worked with for years so fully understand the impact on people. It is as a result of the global situation however as the business my company is in is completely insulated from any economic hit in Ireland, and are still experiencing strong sales. My anger is towards the likes of these multinational companies who have strong, continually viable businesses who rather that show solidarity with their employees and the communities in which they are based, instead retreat into shareholder protection mode. These are the real villains, and as soon as personal and economic situation allows I will be looking to move to some employer that behaved more honourably during this mess.

As I suspect is probably the case with most arguing for continued restrictions. Completely insulated from any economic hit. Must be a nice cosy position to be in but it's far from the reality for many others.

MickeyLeari · 28-06-2020 01:18PM

acequion wrote: »

I thought this was a thread about whether we should be relaxing restrictions more rapidly, not whether we should holiday or now live in either Ireland or abroad. Some people will come up with anything to attack the open up supporters.:rolleyes:

Firstly, no doubt all running costs are higher in Ireland which adds to higher prices passed on to the customer. And yes it's good that job conditions are perhaps better here for workers in tourism. But that's not the argument here. Your average Joe who works hard, wants his holiday, wants good bang for his buck and is not thinking about the wages of the guy who pulls his pint. As a consumer the traveller/tourist is attracted by the most competitive prices and he won't find them in Ireland.

Secondly, just because people hate Irish weather and complain about our sky high prices, that doesn't mean they want to move abroad.:rolleyes:

If good value for money and good weather is important for a holiday then staycationing is a non runner.

One of the reasons I moved back to Ireland after nearly 10 years abroad was in fact the weather here. 35 degrees plus temperatures without AC and a packed commute is not great to be honest. Saying that I still want to holiday abroad to get that break.

charlie14 · 28-06-2020 01:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I disagree. Life goes on despite all the many threats we face on a daily basis - flu, pneumonia, cancer, COPD, dementia, car crashes, accidents, hunger etc etc.

Covid 19 is just 1 more illness to add to the list.

At the moment, we have structures in place were people can avoid the risk of catching Covid by staying in and collecting 350 a week while not paying their mortgage.

These kind of structures are completely unsustainable even in the short term. That’s the real reason restrictions are starting to get lifted and Tony is now saying we won’t have another lockdown.

Eventually, if people want to buy a property or keep their property, they’ll have to accept the risk and get out there to earn a living.

Eventually, more and more people will realise that living is more fun than hoping not to die.

For now, people are not dealing with these realities. They will be forced to eventually.

The alternative is that everyone can remain afraid of Covid and just not bother working/living, hoping that a vaccine will come. Society will eventually begin to crumble.

Are you not perhaps ignoring the rational of using lockdown?
It was used to stop the spread of a virus that would have, left to its own devices, ran out of control causing more infections deaths and overran our health service.
Had that happened then there would have been no hospital treatments or even screenings for anyone in the vulnerable category for even longer than presently.

Tony, as you term him, is now saying that there will be no new national lockdown because the lockdown we had suppressed the virus to such a level that if people behave sensibly people can go back to work and living their lives with any new cases kept low and dealt with through test, trace and isolate.

Penfailed · 28-06-2020 01:24PM

acequion wrote: »

l thought this was a thread about whether we should be relaxing restrictions more rapidly, not whether we should holiday or now live in either Ireland or abroad. Some people will come up with anything to attack the open up supporters.:rolleyes:

So...why post this -

acequion wrote: »

About €120 per night per person sharing, no breakfast included. Meals out at usual Irish prices, which I think we all agree, are higher than a lot of places abroad.

I'd consider that rip off. Two people away for a week at those prices. Do the maths and see if you think that's a good deal!

You can't have it both ways. You post off topic but if it doesn't go the way you want it to, you want it back on topic.

Dante7 · 28-06-2020 01:34PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

My local hotel has a room for 45e a night next week, ensuite. It's a very nice hotel. 60e for a deluxe room with river views.

Bollox to that. If you've stayed in one rural Irish hotel with a river view, you've stayed in them all. If your idea of a holiday is sitting in a hotel room in the pissing rain looking at a river or spending the evenings in an overpriced hotel bar, good luck to you. I'm heading to Lanzarote on Wednesday where there are no cases of Covid, and the weather is glorious, the beaches empty and pristine and lots sights to see and cuisine to taste. 10 days in a four star with a lovely spacious pool to relax by for less than €1k. Can't wait.

Sheepdish1 · 28-06-2020 01:38PM

Dante7 wrote: »

Bollox to that. If you've stayed in one rural Irish hotel with a river view, you've stayed in them all. If your idea of a holiday is sitting in a hotel room in the pissing rain looking at a river or spending the evenings in an overpriced hotel bar, good luck to you. I'm heading to Lanzarote on Wednesday where there are no cases of Covid, and the weather is glorious, the beaches empty and pristine and lots sights to see and cuisine to taste. 10 days in a four star with a lovely spacious pool to relax by for less than €1k. Can't wait.

That sounds lovely! It will be strange seeing the airport so empty! Chances are the 14 day isolation will be scrapped when you come back anyway ! Will you isolate when you get home or take a chance and not?

Dante7 · 28-06-2020 01:48PM

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

That sounds lovely! It will be strange seeing the airport so empty! Chances are the 14 day isolation will be scrapped when you come back anyway ! Will you isolate when you get home or take a chance and not?

The quarantine advisory will be lifted on the 9th, but I'd have no problem isolating if needed. People need to exercise a little bit of critical thinking and risk analysis rather than just trying to impose their opinion on others. I was wearing a mask when shopping in March and had people trying to lecture me about how masks were useless. Some of the same people are now wearing masks while outdoors and saying I shouldn't be travelling abroad. If they keep up the irrational scaremongering and the prices stay low, I might get to grab another bargain break to a virus free zone in late August.

Penfailed · 28-06-2020 01:53PM

Dante7 wrote: »

l might get to grab another bargain break to a virus free zone in late August.

Where are these virus free zones of which you speak?

DebDynamite · 28-06-2020 02:03PM

hmmm wrote: »

The same people who were telling us how important it was to reopen everything for the sake of the economy, are now ****eing all over Irish hospitality businesses.

Was this really all for the sake of a pint in a bar in Spain?

I genuinely believe so. There’s a lot of people with a vested interest in restrictions being lifted so they can go on a foreign holiday. Me, I would love to see the country open up fully, but international travel should be put on hold, at least even until we clear phase 4. That way if there is a spike, we can roll back on international travel, while keeping the country fully open.

stephenjmcd · 28-06-2020 02:04PM

ShyMets wrote: »

And your evidence for this is?

Absolutely nothing, same poster has a history of countless posts banging on about another lockdown before any restrictions had even been lifted. No point in even trying to articulate a discussion.

I think they love lockdowns.

Benimar · 28-06-2020 02:09PM

hmmm wrote: »

The same people who were telling us how important it was to reopen everything for the sake of the economy, are now ****eing all over Irish hospitality businesses.

Was this really all for the sake of a pint in a bar in Spain?

In simple terms, yes.

And in a lot of cases it’s been pretty obvious from the start.

acequion · 28-06-2020 02:20PM

Penfailed wrote: »

So...why post this -

You can't have it both ways. You post off topic but if it doesn't go the way you want it to, you want it back on topic.

Jeez you're unreal, you really are! You seem to post, not to make interesting contributions to the topic on hand, but to fight with and wind up other posters.

Your contribution above being a typical example,an utter non post designed to nit pick and provoke.

I shouldn't even bother replying but here goes. Firstly you posted some pages back again in response to something I posted, that prices are high because of higher wages here etc.You actually made an interesting point and sparked a few posts in that vein, off topic,but interesting nonetheless. Hence my contribution. Secondly, total twisting of my words to say that "I want" or "can't have it both ways." I don't "want" anything nor looking for anything "both ways." Just making an observation.

No doubt you'll be back with more twisting and nit picking [you must be very bored!] now that you see you've got under my skin, but I'm going to put you on ignore. Something I almost never do but needs must. Enjoy your nit picking!

Penfailed · 28-06-2020 02:32PM

acequion wrote: »

Jeez you're unreal, you really are! You seem to post, not to make interesting contributions to the topic on hand, but to fight with and wind up other posters.

Your contribution above being a typical example,an utter non post designed to nit pick and provoke.

I shouldn't even bother replying but here goes. Firstly you posted some pages back again in response to something I posted, that prices are high because of higher wages here etc.You actually made an interesting point and sparked a few posts in that vein, off topic,but interesting nonetheless. Hence my contribution. Secondly, total twisting of my words to say that "I want" or "can't have it both ways." I don't "want" anything nor looking for anything "both ways." Just making an observation.

Make up your mind...:D

Ginger n Lemon · 28-06-2020 02:58PM

acequion wrote: »

Jeez you're unreal, you really are! You seem to post, not to make interesting contributions to the topic on hand, but to fight with and wind up other posters.

Your contribution above being a typical example,an utter non post designed to nit pick and provoke.

I shouldn't even bother replying but here goes. Firstly you posted some pages back again in response to something I posted, that prices are high because of higher wages here etc.You actually made an interesting point and sparked a few posts in that vein, off topic,but interesting nonetheless. Hence my contribution. Secondly, total twisting of my words to say that "I want" or "can't have it both ways." I don't "want" anything nor looking for anything "both ways." Just making an observation.

No doubt you'll be back with more twisting and nit picking [you must be very bored!] now that you see you've got under my skin, but I'm going to put you on ignore. Something I almost never do but needs must. Enjoy your nit picking!

Has been called out multiple times in the past. MULTIPLE times.

When faced with a travel abroad question, OP posted "I travel abroad once every 3 to 4 years so restrictions arent really affecting me" :rolleyes:

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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