FF/FG/Green Next Government

Edgware · 28-06-2020 11:48AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Pretty sure Michelle O'Neill would be of the opinion she is a resident of this State though.

She can get a bit mixed up allright

McMurphy · 28-06-2020 11:48AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Even the rules in NI say to avoid all non essential foreign travel. Seems no rules apply to her. She had no business in Dublin yesterday. None.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but opinions are like arses, everyone has one and everyone thinks the other person's stinks.

I'm sure if the PSNI stopped O'Neill and asked her where she was headed, and she answered that she had Sinn Fein business in Dublin, she would be let carry-on her way with out any hassle.

Once across the border I'm sure the guard's would have also accepted the work reason as an acceptable one also, even if they hadn't of, they were powerless to stop her anyway.

That's not her thinking rules don't apply to her, that's an example of her more than likely believing that her attendance in the Dail was essential and important business to her.

The fact you don't think it was important, and she had no business in Dublin means diddly squat I'm afraid.

namloc1980 · 28-06-2020 11:54AM

She is not a member of the Dail. She has nothing to do with the Dail. She had no business being in the Convention Centre. If she "had" to meet Mary Lou then she could've met her elsewhere. It was a photo op end of. Her showing up yesterday showed poor judgement but that's par for the course in SF. The mental gymnastics to justify it is impressive though. First it was, well she broke no rules, and then it turned into, will even if there was a rule in NI she obviously had essential business in Dublin yesterday. Get off the stage. You can apply your silly analogy to your own "opinion".

Bannasidhe · 28-06-2020 11:57AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Maybe this has been answer but why was Michelle o Neil in Dublin yesterday and Michael Martins family was in cork ? Either the rules apply to everyone or they don't.

Because someone made a boo boo with the legislation and restrictions only apply to people resident in RoI.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-travel-restrictions-will-not-apply-to-people-arriving-from-north-1.4251883

So no, the rules don't apply to everyone.

namloc1980 · 28-06-2020 12:00PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Because someone made a boo boo with the legislation and restrictions only apply to people resident in RoI.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-travel-restrictions-will-not-apply-to-people-arriving-from-north-1.4251883

So no, the rules don't apply to everyone.

The rule in NI is to avoid all non essential foreign travel.

Eric Cartman · 28-06-2020 12:02PM

The whole thing is engineered to perfection by fg

They keep finance so can ruin anything MM trys,
They handed the two most poisened chalices to FF and they retain the purse strings to keep them poison.

Catherine martin in the jumble pile ministry will almost certainly try ban hare coursing, fox hunting etc.. and FG can not lose rural support over it as its a green issue.

Barry cowen FF will be the target of all the hate from rural ireland when he’s forced to watch the greens and FG defund or actively tax to death rural dwellers.

Then MM gives “the perpetually opressed voice of eileen flynn” a seat in our nations talking shop, already leaving the public questioning his sanity.

FF are bound for a 2011 repeat after this and id say the greens will disband alltogether setting the stage for a FG majority under leo in 5 years time.

Eric Cartman · 28-06-2020 12:07PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The biggest flaw is FG have this unique ability to rub irish people up.the wrong way and (like peter casey) people generally wont vote for someone they dislike no matter how much they agree with em

While true, bar labour have a miraculous phoenix like comeback or they merge with SD and expand, therell be little to vote for next time round. FG being best of a terrible lot and atleast not the shinners will also help them

Bannasidhe · 28-06-2020 12:12PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

The rule in NI is to avoid all non essential foreign travel.

Just pointing out that the rules in this jurisdiction don't apply to everyone which was the question asked.
They only apply to people resident here. Like the Martins of Cork.

I'll leave others to debate with you whether travel from NI to RoI is considered 'foreign' travel.

Eric Cartman · 28-06-2020 12:13PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I could see soc dems treble in numbers going forward

Can only speak locally and say labour is dispised,despite waterford being strong trade union city

Id wouldnt be suprised if shinners got over 44 to 50 seats.....they could potentially recruit high profile quality canditadtes like lisa chambers and saoirse mchugh as they turn eyes towards dismantling FF/genepool FFG on local issues....

they seem to have stablised mid 20s% for now,so mathetically possible they could 2 to 3 seats in each 5 seater......if they find enough canditdates

Saoirse mchugh is toxic, rejected multiple times and praises a far left itteration of socialism Thats unpalatable to most of the electorate. If shes going anywhere its pbp

StackSteevens · 28-06-2020 12:13PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

You'd need to have a god few million in the bank to set up a political party and challenge for seats.

So that's how the likes of Joe Higginz and Bríd Smith did it! I always wondered.

Eric Cartman · 28-06-2020 12:14PM

StackSteevens wrote: »

So that's how the likes of Joe Higginz and Bríd Smith did it! I always wondered.

Backed by rich boy barrett and paul ‘daddys money’ murphy. Those fringes have always had money

AndrewJRenko · 28-06-2020 12:18PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Dublins traffic problem was deliberately engineered to a large extent. Everyone knows of a road blocked, "no right turned" or footpaths deliberately widened to 20 feet for the sole pupose of reducing two lanes to one in their immediate area. They made the stillorgan duel carriage way three lane in 1979 because it couldn't handle the traffic then. 40 years ago. Back to two lanes now.

Little point in whining about it now. The Keegan/ Green Party anti car mob have won in Dublin and with the Greens in power now it will be one ****ty cycle into town for many come Winter as we move backwards to some fantasy generated by D4 fanatics none of whom have a real job. You should check out some of the cycling threads here to see the level of malice and spire towards car owners

And there was me thinking that the traffic problems were due to the dramatic increase in the number of cars on the road, the poor investment in public transport, the poor enforcement of traffic laws around parking to keep traffic flowing and poor prioritisation of sustainable modes of travel - silly old me.

On Stillorgan, I presume you're referring to the implementation of the bus lane that allowed the 46A to move huge numbers of people very quickly in and out of town, right?

And yeah, I've been on one or two of those cycling threads. I haven't seen malice and spite - just a lack of tolerance for motorists killing two or three people each week and expecting that their entitlement to fly around with an empty couch and empty armchair will last for ever.

Edgware wrote: »

If the people whinging about Josepha Madigan owned the land in question they would quickly realise that it would be a complete waste of their money to use that land for a halting site. The land was public land and would secure a hefty payment to the State if used for development, a certain amount of which could be usedto build new halting sites which travellers could then wreck at their leisure

Local authorities have a legal obligation to provide traveller accomodation. Madigan played the NIMBY card - that's fine for everyone else but not for Mount Merrion. She's managed to freeze out any development on that site for a decade or two in the midst of our biggest housing crisis ever.

irishproduce wrote: »

Listening to the radio this morn and couple female contributors mentioning there should have been more women.
I've tried to get in line with this train of thought but I simply cannot reconcile the fact you should get a senior job running a country, the economic and wellbeing of millions of people simply because you have a fanny.
What are posters thoughts on it?

Have you any thoughts on the systemic underrepresentation of women at all
levels of politics? Do you reckon they're just not smart enough?

RandomViewer · 28-06-2020 12:18PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

She is not a member of the Dail. She has nothing to do with the Dail. She had no business being in the Convention Centre. If she "had" to meet Mary Lou then she could've met her elsewhere. It was a photo op end of. Her showing up yesterday showed poor judgement but that's par for the course in SF. The mental gymnastics to justify it is impressive though. First it was, well she broke no rules, and then it turned into, will even if there was a rule in NI she obviously had essential business in Dublin yesterday. Get off the stage. You can apply your silly analogy to your own "opinion".

FG party conference won't be able to invite Jeffrey Donaldson next year, who'll sit beside Charlie?

AndrewJRenko · 28-06-2020 12:19PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Backed by rich boy barrett and paul ‘daddys money’ murphy. Those fringes have always had money

You do know about the modest maximums for personal donations to political parties, right?

Eric Cartman · 28-06-2020 12:22PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

You do know about the modest maximums for personal donations to political parties, right?

I think we all know theres ways around that , or providing free printing to somebody, getting free PR through media contacts etc.. there are ways to fund a candidate without donating

AndrewJRenko · 28-06-2020 12:27PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I think we all know theres ways around that , or providing free printing to somebody, getting free PR through media contacts etc.. there are ways to fund a candidate without donating

That all comes under the SIPO rules for benefit in kind, so if you know of cases of this happening, you should be referring it to SIPO.

28-06-2020 12:31PM

StackSteevens wrote: »

So that's how the likes of Joe Higginz and Bríd Smith did it! I always wondered.

Their members take at a maximum, the average industrial wage and give anything over to the party. That’s how poor Paul Murphy was eligible for free legal aid in the Jobstown case.

Truthvader · 28-06-2020 12:37PM

Chillax Renko you "won" the bicycle argument. Wont effect me as I dont commute. Just saying it will force a ****ty life on those living in the suburbs who will be forced to endure the consequences. Fine and dandy for D4 Green party fantasists who can do the odd 1k spin if its sunny to get a selfie for the group. Different story if wake up in Finglas or Blanchardstown in January and have to face the cold wet miserable ride in day after day.

Snow Garden · 28-06-2020 12:39PM

Looking at the new cabinet it has to be said that FG did a number on FF in the negotiations. They took advantage of MM's ambition. FF could be an irrelevance at the next GE if this plays out like I think it will.

Health, Housing, Education and Public Sector Reform....ouch.

Nobody will blame poor Paschal for his tough budgets but MM will be seen as the Taoiseach of a severe recession. Well played Leo and Co. FF will be forced to merge or die.

Truthvader · 28-06-2020 12:39PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

That all comes under the SIPO rules for benefit in kind, so if you know of cases of this happening, you should be referring it to SIPO.

So the Northern Bank money is all accounted for. Thats fine then

is_that_so · 28-06-2020 12:40PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

Looking at the new cabinet it has to be said that FG did a number on FF in the negotiations. They took advantage of MM's ambition. FF could be an irrelevance at the next GE if this plays out like I think it will.

Health, Housing, Education and Public Sector Reform....ouch.

Or it could be an opportunity for some ministers to shine!

Eric Cartman · 28-06-2020 12:41PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Chillax Renko you "won" the bicycle argument. Wont effect me as I dont commute. Just saying it will force a ****ty life on those living in the suburbs who will be forced to endure the consequences. Fine and dandy for D4 Green party fantasists who can do the odd 1k spin if its sunny to get a selfie for the group. Different story if wake up in Finglas or Blanchardstown in January and have to face the cold wet miserable ride in day after day.

Wouldnt even be so concerned about finglas or blanch, its the people who were priced out of everywhere else and had to buy a house in small towns in meath, kildare, louth and wicklow. Even if we elected the greens every term until the end of time, most of those people who are in their 20s and 30s starting families will be long retired before a commutable bus or train comes to their village , but the taxes against their cars are coming within 12 months.

Truthvader · 28-06-2020 12:42PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Their members take at a maximum, the average industrial wage and give anything over to the party. That’s how poor Paul Murphy was eligible for free legal aid in the Jobstown case.

Ah yes the elevation of poverty to a kind of noble art so that "someone else" always pays your way

jam_mac_jam · 28-06-2020 12:44PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Chillax Renko you "won" the bicycle argument. Wont effect me as I dont commute. Just saying it will force a ****ty life on those living in the suburbs who will be forced to endure the consequences. Fine and dandy for D4 Green party fantasists who can do the odd 1k spin if its sunny to get a selfie for the group. Different story if wake up in Finglas or Blanchardstown in January and have to face the cold wet miserable ride in day after day.

I live in Blanch and would love to cycle but I am afraid to on the quays. It's fine to cycle untill you get to town.
Blanch is practically at a standstill due to traffic at busy times. If more people would cycle it would make a huge difference.

My son cycled to college in Maynooth. It's not just people in D4 who have bicycles or want to cycle.

is_that_so · 28-06-2020 12:46PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Wouldnt even be so concerned about finglas or blanch, its the people who were priced out of everywhere else and had to buy a house in small towns in meath, kildare, louth and wicklow. Even if we elected the greens every term until the end of time, most of those people who are in their 20s and 30s starting families will be long retired before a commutable bus or train comes to their village , but the taxes against their cars are coming within 12 months.

I think there is a general level for support for addressing our response to climate change. Even so it will work a whole lot better if it's the carrot rather than the very big stick some want to use. That tends not to work at all. I hope there is thought and imagination is put into this and not just taxing or banning anything that moves.

is_that_so · 28-06-2020 12:48PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I live in Blanch and would love to cycle but I am afraid to on the quays. It's fine to cycle untill you get to town.
Blanch is practically at a standstill due to traffic at busy times. If more people would cycle it would make a huge difference.

My son cycled to college in Maynooth. It's not just people in D4 who have bicycles or want to cycle.

Fair weather cycling is easy. On a day like this in November much less so.

jam_mac_jam · 28-06-2020 12:48PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Wouldnt even be so concerned about finglas or blanch, its the people who were priced out of everywhere else and had to buy a house in small towns in meath, kildare, louth and wicklow. Even if we elected the greens every term until the end of time, most of those people who are in their 20s and 30s starting families will be long retired before a commutable bus or train comes to their village , but the taxes against their cars are coming within 12 months.

Completely agree with you. You can't penalize people for driving if they have no choice. Completely unfair.

tigger123 · 28-06-2020 12:49PM

I live in the suburbs and cycle in and put of work every day. It's the quickest and easiest way to get around Dublin these days. Zero cost too, and is a great way to stay fit.

Am delighted that more resources will go towards making Dublin a cycle friendly city. Public transport pre Covid was choked up.

AndrewJRenko · 28-06-2020 12:52PM

Truthvader wrote: »

So the Northern Bank money is all accounted for. Thats fine then

It's not something I know much about, but if you have any information on the money, I'd suggest you bring it to the relevant authorities. But you don't have any information, do you?

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Truthvader wrote: »

Chillax Renko you "won" the bicycle argument. Wont effect me as I dont commute. Just saying it will force a ****ty life on those living in the suburbs who will be forced to endure the consequences. Fine and dandy for D4 Green party fantasists who can do the odd 1k spin if its sunny to get a selfie for the group. Different story if wake up in Finglas or Blanchardstown in January and have to face the cold wet miserable ride in day after day.

Finglas and Blanch to the city would be an easy spin, maybe a slight uphill slog on the way home in the evening. eBikes are a big help for those who need a bit of extra oomph, or to do longer distances.

They have these great things now called raingear which work well in wet weather. Being able to have a shower at the destination and change clothes works well for me.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Wouldnt even be so concerned about finglas or blanch, its the people who were priced out of everywhere else and had to buy a house in small towns in meath, kildare, louth and wicklow. Even if we elected the greens every term until the end of time, most of those people who are in their 20s and 30s starting families will be long retired before a commutable bus or train comes to their village , but the taxes against their cars are coming within 12 months.

Good to know that we have a Government that is focused on providing public transport options that have been under-funded for many years to start addressing these issues.

There's a great opportunity now to implement the BusConnects scheme to ensure that public transport starts getting real priority on the roads.

jam_mac_jam · 28-06-2020 12:54PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Wouldnt even be so concerned about finglas or blanch, its the people who were priced out of everywhere else and had to buy a house in small towns in meath, kildare, louth and wicklow. Even if we elected the greens every term until the end of time, most of those people who are in their 20s and 30s starting families will be long retired before a commutable bus or train comes to their village , but the taxes against their cars are coming within 12 months.

Completely agree with you. You can't penalize people for driving if they have no choice. Completely unfair.

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