General Election and Government Formation Megathread (see post #1)

L1011 · 27-06-2020 08:04PM

Awarding a Super Junior, or even a Junior at all, to a Senator is interesting as it has never been done before. I believe this gives Hackett the right to address the Dáil the same way the Ministers who lost the seats did.

Widdensushi · 27-06-2020 08:13PM

It's depressing looking at the map of the constituencies of the members of cabinet, the west of the country has been completely ignored.

ExMachina1000 · 27-06-2020 08:17PM

I was watching the speeches and was finding them boring until I realized that all of the other party members addressing them are saying the same thing. They are all left wing with some more than ever.

It's a right wing government with left wing opposition
We all know the greens are right wing from their time in government

New day for Irish politics . Right v left.

hotmail.com · 27-06-2020 08:18PM

Darragh O'Brien should give us some entertainment for the next few years.

Larbre34 · 27-06-2020 08:18PM

Water John wrote: »

Norma Foley will be bringing the goodies home to Kerry, Healy Raes sidelined.

Don't you believe it.

Water John · 27-06-2020 08:23PM

L1011 wrote: »

Awarding a Super Junior, or even a Junior at all, to a Senator is interesting as it has never been done before. I believe this gives Hackett the right to address the Dáil the same way the Ministers who lost the seats did.

A Senator has twice been made a Cabinet Minister. Garret Fitzgerald appointed Jim Dooge to the Seante and then made him Minister for Foreign Affairs.

beggars_bush · 27-06-2020 08:27PM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Simon Harris is to become Minister for Higher Education & Research with Stephen Donnelly confirmed as Health Minister.

Heather Humphreys is Minister for Rural Affairs & Social Protection.

Just breaking: Hildegarde Naughton of FG is becoming a Super Junior Minister.

Boxer Moran didn't do too well after last appointment

L1011 · 27-06-2020 08:33PM

Water John wrote: »

A Senator has twice been made a Cabinet Minister. Garret Fitzgerald appointed Jim Dooge to the Seante and then made him Minister for Foreign Affairs.

Yes, but no Junior prior

Catherine Martin's brother appointed to the Seanad. Not nepotism at all at all!

charlie14 · 27-06-2020 08:33PM

devnull wrote: »

I'm afraid such appointments are just the kind of thing you would come to expect from Fianna Fail to be honest, the likes of Donnelly should be nowhere near health really. I know he's a spokesperson on Health for FF previously but what is his background in health? We know Harris was a health activist for many years from a teenager but Donnelly just screams career politician who care about themselves first and fore.

Fair play to Donnelly for even wanting it.

Róisín Shorthall with all her talk about Sláinte Care ran a mile from it when it was the Social Democrats for the taking.

FrancieBrady · 27-06-2020 08:34PM

L1011 wrote: »

Awarding a Super Junior, or even a Junior at all, to a Senator is interesting as it has never been done before. I believe this gives Hackett the right to address the Dáil the same way the Ministers who lost the seats did.

You would have to wonder if it is oversight (hardly) or deliberate snub.

L1011 · 27-06-2020 08:38PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You would have to wonder if it is oversight (hardly) or deliberate snub.

Completely and utterly deliberate. Gets a Ryan loyalist in the room.

devnull · 27-06-2020 08:41PM

I had to laugh at some of the opinions on RTE earlier, where one FF person said that Martin is someone who likes to think things through carefully and not rush into a decision straight away and have a long and hard think as that is a good thing,, when the whole narrative around him has been that he is a ditherer which she pretty much confirmed.

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I was watching the speeches and was finding them boring until I realized that all of the other party members addressing them are saying the same thing. They are all left wing with some more than ever.

It's a right wing government with left wing opposition
We all know the greens are right wing from their time in government

New day for Irish politics . Right v left.

Makes me laugh when people call FF and FG right wing, they're nowhere near full right wing parties, they're centre right, not fully fledged right wing. The only true right wing party in Ireland in recent years is Renua.

Proper right wing parties like National Rally in France, Alternative for Deutchland in Germany, Law and Justice in Poland, Legia Nord in Italy and Fidesz in Hungary. They are in another league from FF and FG.

I often hear people compare Fine Gael to the Conservatives in the UK and say they are in the same place when they absolutely are not. Fine Gael are far more progressive and closer to the centre than the Tory party.

27-06-2020 08:44PM

Any ministers west of the Shannon ?

L1011 · 27-06-2020 08:45PM

devnull wrote: »

I had to laugh at some of the opinions on RTE earlier, where one FF person said that Martin is someone who likes to think things through carefully and not rush into a decision straight away and have a long and hard think as that is a good thing,, when the whole narrative around him has been that he is a ditherer which she pretty much confirmed.

Makes me laugh when people call FF and FG right wing, they're nowhere near full right wing parties, they're centre right, not fully fledged right wing. The only true right wing party in Ireland in recent years is Renua.

Proper right wing parties like National Rally in France, Alternative for Deutchland in Germany, Law and Justice in Poland, Legia Nord in Italy and Fidesz in Hungary. They are in another league from FF and FG.

I often hear people compare Fine Gael to the Conservatives in the UK and say they are in the same place when they absolutely are not. Fine Gael are far more progressive and closer to the centre than the Tory party.

They're right wing on the domestic scale. Further right parties get 2% max, so don't exist.

The Democrats in the US are on the left there; but are to the right of FG a lot of the time.

ExMachina1000 · 27-06-2020 08:47PM

devnull wrote: »

I had to laugh at some of the opinions on RTE earlier, where one FF person said that Martin is someone who likes to think things through carefully and not rush into a decision straight away and have a long and hard think as that is a good thing,, when the whole narrative around him has been that he is a ditherer which she pretty much confirmed.

Makes me laugh when people call FF and FG right wing, they're nowhere near full right wing parties, they're centre right, not fully fledged right wing. The only true right wing party in Ireland in recent years is Renua.

Proper right wing parties like National Rally in France, Alternative for Deutchland in Germany, Law and Justice in Poland, Legia Nord in Italy and Fidesz in Hungary. They are in another league from FF and FG.

I often hear people compare Fine Gael to the Conservatives in the UK and say they are in the same place when they absolutely are not. Fine Gael are far more progressive and closer to the centre than the Tory party.

I didn't say they weren't centre right. That's taken as a given. They are on the right of the spectrum. Slightly but still right.
The opposition parties are all slightly to the left with some more than others.

Theres more in the world than just extremes

hotmail.com · 27-06-2020 08:49PM

Lots of failed TDs on the senator list tonight. Some campaigned to abolish the Seanad.

Harry Palmr · 27-06-2020 09:02PM

27-06-2020 09:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Any ministers west of the Shannon ?

Draw a line from Kerry to Cavan and there is no Ministers representing this region. Its basically half the country. This is not going to go down well.

devnull · 27-06-2020 09:27PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Lots of failed TDs on the senator list tonight. Some campaigned to abolish the Seanad.

I guess it was a strategic decision to put Dooley there, could come in useful if they need an extra vote over and beyond their numbers present for some reason.

elperello · 27-06-2020 09:29PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Lots of failed TDs on the senator list tonight. Some campaigned to abolish the Seanad.

I heard Regina Doherty on RTE TV earlier.

She was Director of Elections for FG in he campaign to abolish the Senate.

She just said she is a democrat, the people voted to keep it and where better to work for Senate reform than within.

Water John · 27-06-2020 10:52PM

See Catherine Martin and hubby sat together. I wonder did Christy and girlfriend Holly sit together. One voting Ta for MM the other voting Nil.

BonnieSituation · 27-06-2020 11:32PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

It's depressing looking at the map of the constituencies of the members of cabinet, the west of the country has been completely ignored.

So?

It really shouldn't matter. Plus how many bypasses and hospitals are needed at this stage for Roscommon?

BonnieSituation · 27-06-2020 11:35PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Draw a line from Kerry to Cavan and there is no Ministers representing this region. Its basically half the country. This is not going to go down well.

Nothing at all in the North East either.

Honestly, do people still get hung up on geographic spread of ministries in 2020? Should it not be about merit and ability rather than whether you eat blaas or farls.

Itssoeasy · 27-06-2020 11:35PM

Water John wrote: »

See Catherine Martin and hubby sat together. I wonder did Christy and girlfriend Holly sit together. One voting Ta for MM the other voting Nil.

When her party leader was taking when the cabinet had been announced she was sitting on her own.

27-06-2020 11:42PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Honestly, do people still get hung up on geographic spread of ministries in 2020? Should it not be about merit and ability rather than whether you eat blaas or farls.

They do.

It should but our politics can be incredibly localistic. Ministers will look after their own patch first.

BonnieSituation · 27-06-2020 11:49PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

They do.

It should but our politics can be incredibly localistic. Ministers will look after their own patch first.

All the more reason to not give a crap about a particular region for a ministry and break the cycle.

charlie14 · 27-06-2020 11:50PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

They do.

It should but our politics can be incredibly localistic. Ministers will look after their own patch first.

.... and are generally the first to get the old heave-ho next time around if they are judged not to have.

27-06-2020 11:53PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

All the more reason to not give a crap about a particular region for a ministry and break the cycle.

Well then watch your party struggle at the next local and national elections.

I don't like it. But that's the way it is.

hardybuck · 27-06-2020 11:58PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Nothing at all in the North East either.

Honestly, do people still get hung up on geographic spread of ministries in 2020? Should it not be about merit and ability rather than whether you eat blaas or farls.

It would seem both the blaa and the farl are unacceptable as the South East doesn't have a Minister either!

Waterford city hasn't had one in over a decade.

charlie14 · 27-06-2020 11:59PM

elperello wrote: »

I heard Regina Doherty on RTE TV earlier.

She was Director of Elections for FG in he campaign to abolish the Senate.

She just said she is a democrat, the people voted to keep it and where better to work for Senate reform than within.

A cynic might be forgiven for "She would say that wouldn`t she"

General Election and Government Formation Megathread (see post #1)

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