FF/FG/Green Next Government

KyussB · 27-06-2020 04:17PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So, with Brexit looming, a probable resurgence in a pandemic, a climate crisis just around the corner and the worst global recession since WW2, we should borrow 6.5 billion to build 100,000 houses. Okay.

You never heard of Keyne's? When a country has multiple economic body blows like that - that is exactly when the government needs to spend huge amounts of money, to reflate the economy...It's standard macroeconomics.

LawBoy2018 · 27-06-2020 04:17PM

Harris - Higher education & education

Humphreys - Social protection & rural affairs

namloc1980 · 27-06-2020 04:19PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Limerick to Cork on a train is circa 1.40min

Limerick to Cork based on travelling now on the road is 1.36 mins. I would expect a lot more in rish hour

So you are taking the same amount of time. So yes Limerick to Cork does have a train line.

So is it over subscribed?

Sorry now but you're talking nonsense. There are 8 connections from Cork to Limerick on a daily basis. 2 of the 8 are under 2 hours and the other 6 have an average time of 2hr45m. Total average of the 8 is 2hr27m. Substantially slower than the road. A road which completely unsuitable and very dangerous in places.

You have to switch in Limerick Junction and wait for on average over 1hr. 2 daily trains have a wait of about 15 minutes. The other 6 are well over an hour. Not very attractive now is it?

An Ciarraioch · 27-06-2020 04:20PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Harris - Higher education & education

Humphreys - Social protection

So, like Finance, we now have FF and FG ministers effectively covering the one area.

BonnieSituation · 27-06-2020 04:20PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I have driven it, I have driven nearly every road in Ireland if not them all.

I have yet to get an answer on the limerick to cork train line?

Seriously?

You're bringing up our shambolic railway "system" as a solution for a shambolic road between the 4th and 5th biggest cities in Ireland?

is_that_so · 27-06-2020 04:20PM

Bowie wrote: »

Not having a go, how can you think FG or Leo did a good job considering the housing situation how they made it worse? They just kicked health down the road, which also got worse.

As has happened since we first had a health minister! Big focus in the short term will on what Paul Reid can do with the HSE. Without a full revamp there they might as keep kicking that can.

James Brown · 27-06-2020 04:20PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Harris - Higher education & education

Humphreys - Social protection

Harris who dropped out himself? I would have thought himself, murphy and Flanagan would have been slipped out the back door.

27-06-2020 04:22PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Humphreys - Social protection & rural affairs

So what happens to Ringer's Dept Rural and Community Development?

Hard to see Rural fitting in with DEASP - where will the Community side go?

efanton · 27-06-2020 04:23PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Limerick to Cork on a train is circa 1.40min

Limerick to Cork based on travelling now on the road is 1.36 mins. I would expect a lot more in rish hour

So you are taking the same amount of time. So yes Limerick to Cork does have a train line.

So is it over subscribed?

Stick to talking about something that you know about. If there is such a thing.

There is no commuter service from Limerick to Cork.

You could get a train from Limerick to Limerick junction and often be waiting 20 minute or more for the connection to Cork

The vast majority of people who commute to Limerick or Cork come from towns and villages that are not on or near that train line.

As stated earlier the only two stations between Limerick and Cork wold be Charleville and Mallow, and a lot of the existing trains do not even stop at Charleville.

Add to that that there simply would not be the capacity on the existing services. Usually almost all of the seats are already take taken before the trains get to Charleville, and Irish Rail will not sell tickets unless there are seats available.

If you want a rail commuter service between Cork and Limerick you would have to build a new rail line.

is_that_so · 27-06-2020 04:24PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Harris - Higher education & education

Humphreys - Social protection & rural affairs

I actually think the two of them could do well there. DoE is slower moving always and perhaps less stress. Wonder how the DoE will cope with Simon buzzing amongst them?!

antimatterx · 27-06-2020 04:24PM

efanton wrote: »

you'll have to wait, she's still finishing her sentence:D

I said Bruton not Burton.

MrMusician18 · 27-06-2020 04:24PM

efanton wrote: »

The only way the Health Service is this country is ever going to be fixed is to totally reorganise the HSE or completely disband it altogether. Far to many managers and administration and not enough people or money spent on the frontline.

To do that though you have to take on the civil service and their unions, and you would want to be absolutely certain that you government is strong enough to be able to do that. This government would collapse in a matter of months if they tried it.

This is said as some sort of trueism around here "the bloat in the HSE is in Administration - thats where all the money is going". It isn't. The money is going in payments to frontline staff generally. Irish doctors and nurses are quite well paid compared to their peers in the UK for example.In order to expand the number of frontline staff for the same budget, doctors and nurses would need to accept a reduction in base wage and overtime payments. This will not ever be allowed to happen by their unions.

At the height of government largess up to 2008, there were some nurses lifting close €100k per year due to the amount of overtime payments they were getting.

Bannasidhe · 27-06-2020 04:25PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If I look I see between 2 hours and 1 hour 45 on Monday......

Instead of building a road and investing in more trains etc that could be reduced.

How much does it cost to buy/maintain a car? how much is mileage causing depreciation?

I'm a big believer in trains. I love trains. I used to commute from Sheffield to London before the lines were privatised - on both ends was, at the time, an efficient and affordable bus network to get me home/work.
In Sydney I could drive to the local train station, park all day for free in a large covered multistory car park and take the train into central Sydney for a few dollars.
I tried taking the train from Mallow to Cork. Completely unworkable. Had to drive to get to Mallow train station - too far to walk and the roads were a nightmare with no footpaths - no parking, so faster and easier to just drive to Cork. And cheaper.

Train journey times from Cork to Limerick vary as well, not to mention the occasional unexpected all change at Mallow.

Cork - Cobh is an example of how it should be done. Regular trains that link up (most of the time

) with a bus, but even then last train is at 9 pm.

Jizique · 27-06-2020 04:25PM

KyussB wrote: »

You never heard of Keyne's? When a country has multiple economic body blows like that - that is exactly when the government needs to spend huge amounts of money, to reflate the economy...It's standard macroeconomics.

6.5bn for 100k houses? Are they being built in some Bulgarian backwater?

efanton · 27-06-2020 04:27PM

antimatterx wrote: »

I said Bruton not Burton.

oops, my mistake.

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 04:35PM

efanton wrote: »

Stick to talking about something that you know about. If there is such a thing.

There is no commuter service from Limerick to Cork.

You could get a train from Limerick to Limerick junction and often be waiting 20 minute or more for the connection to Cork

The vast majority of people who commute to Limerick or Cork come from towns and villages that are not on or near that train line.

As stated earlier the only two stations between Limerick and Cork wold be Charleville and Mallow, and a lot of the existing trains do not even stop at Charleville.

Add to that that there simply would not be the capacity on the existing services. Usually almost all of the seats are already take taken before the trains get to Charleville, and Irish Rail will not sell tickets unless there are seats available.

If you want a rail commuter service between Cork and Limerick you would have to build a new rail line.

I think the one word you mentioned which is relevant is “existing”

Investing in the train will provide a better and more green transport option. As mentioned the numbers are less than 1% of the population so building a new motorway is a waste. A new train system can be used by tourist etc so a better investment

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 04:39PM

Jizique wrote: »

6.5bn for 100k houses? Are they being built in some Bulgarian backwater?

It wasn’t, they forgot to mention 50,000 of those houses where already been built by FG government

LawBoy2018 · 27-06-2020 04:39PM

Pippa Hackett - Super junior minister in agriculture with responsibility for land use + biodiversity! Random

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 04:40PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

That kind of distance is fairly achievable with an eBike btw. Why do we subsidise eCars at €5k a pop, but the maximum subsidy on an eBike is €400 tax relief via the BTW scheme.

I expect that to increase as Greens said they want to upgrade the current BTW scheme

Itssoeasy · 27-06-2020 04:40PM

Cork south central now has the Taoiseach, minister for foreign affairs, and public expenditure which are three big cabinet positions while cork north central has mike Barry and a token ring road. Brilliant. Ffs.

LawBoy2018 · 27-06-2020 04:41PM

Hildegard Naughton - FG super junior

Itssoeasy · 27-06-2020 04:42PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Pippa Hackett - Super junior minister in agriculture with responsibility for land use + biodiversity! Random

Two points. Firstly who's pippa Hackett ? And second what mess of a junior ministry is that ? How much will that cost to put on letters ?

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 04:42PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Sorry now but you're talking nonsense. There are 8 connections from Cork to Limerick on a daily basis. 2 of the 8 are under 2 hours and the other 6 have an average time of 2hr45m. Total average of the 8 is 2hr27m. Substantially slower than the road. A road which completely unsuitable and very dangerous in places.

You have to switch in Limerick Junction and wait for on average over 1hr. 2 daily trains have a wait of about 15 minutes. The other 6 are well over an hour. Not very attractive now is it?

Yes existing, but it shows even without investment it can be done in 1.45 which is similar and safer to a car. With investment that could be 1 hour

Put in direct trains etc....

The lack of vision is alarming, are people really this closed minded to change? If it doesn’t involve sitting in a car people seem to have a huge fear factor

is_that_so · 27-06-2020 04:42PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Hildegard Naughton - FG super junior

Widely touted and good call IMO.

mountai · 27-06-2020 04:42PM

Congratulations to the NEW Government .!! . Never so many MINISTERS , JUNIOR MINISTERS , and of course SUPER JUNIOR MINISTERS . The TROUGH gets bigger and BIGGER . I never thought Id say this ---- I will vote for the SHINNERS next time . !!!

MrMusician18 · 27-06-2020 04:43PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I expect that to increase as Greens said they want to upgrade the current BTW scheme

Didn't bicycles just get more expensive to absorb the BTW subsidy when it was introduced?

namloc1980 · 27-06-2020 04:43PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Pippa Hackett - Super junior minister in agriculture with responsibility for land use + biodiversity! Random

Who's she?

Cal4567 · 27-06-2020 04:44PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

He hasn't been spectacular as Fianna Fáil Housing Spokesperson either. No housing policy produced in four years.

Darragh O'Brien role as FF housing spokesman has been overshadowed by SF's Eoin O'Brien whose utterances have increasingly taken on the mantle of the opposition.

Turn the last few years around an imagine if FF had the housing portfolio. Would their policies have differed that much from FG? In his attempts so far to display a separation from the FG approach, he has highlighted the affordable sale that is sorely needed, so perhaps we will see a move towards the promotion of that tenure rather than affordable rent.

Agree with previous posters, having both Health and Housing and their success or not, will determine FF's future.

is_that_so · 27-06-2020 04:44PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Two points. Firstly who's pippa Hackett ? And second what mess of a junior ministry is that ? How much will that cost to put on letters ?

She's Green, the portfolio title should have told you that! Can you actually imagine a Pippa in either of the other two?!

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 04:44PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Didn't bicycles just get more expensive to absorb the BTW subsidy when it was introduced?

No

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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