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ExMachina1000 · 27-06-2020 03:45PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Zero benefit to those commuters in Dublin you are so concerned about. Seems to me you're in support of roads spending regardless and against anything else outside of roads. Fair enough but at least be upfront.

If you want to make Dublin more attractive for cyclists you remove the cars. Invest in public transport. But you can only have so many buses for people so remove as many people commuting as possible.

Take athlone for example. Home to some multinational pharma companies. Why are they in Athlone? Theres a motorway beside it. You incentivise companies to set up outside the capital be it with tax breaks or whatever. They wont go anywhere unless there is infrastructure. A decent road network is paramount.

Get companies out of the capital. For a country as small as Ireland decentralisation is necessary.

1.8 billion on cycling infrastructure changes nothing. People still need to commute. Traffic doesn't change. Cyclists in Dublin are still running the gauntlet and its basically misery for everyone

KyussB · 27-06-2020 03:45PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Everybody lied. Everybody's manifesto was unicorns and rainbows. The world has changed utterly since the election. Martin is doing the right thing by going into government in a coalition that will bring the stability this country needs. Especially as Ireland deals with a pandemic, Brexit and an economic crash.

The agreement the parties have made, is to compound the economic crash with austerity in 2-2.5 years...

ExMachina1000 · 27-06-2020 03:46PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

A transport system should include
Walking, running, cycling, scooters, cars, motorbikes, trains, buses, airplanes etc etc etc

It seems Irish people get stuck on cars and anyone mentions an alternative you get a similar response to your one

Ireland transport system is not balanced, building another road won’t fix that, it will just compound the error

The 1.8 billion isn't for trains, buses or airplanes.

Itssoeasy · 27-06-2020 03:47PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How the limerick to cork train line?

We don't have a direct cork to limerick rail line just so you know. We have a cork to limerick junction to limerick rail line.

KyussB · 27-06-2020 03:47PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

SF promised to build 100,000 council houses over five years at a cost of 6.5 billion. Good intentions just like Martin's good intentions. Had they got into government, that wasn't going to happen. Especially after the pandemic. So that would have been a lie. See how it works?

Why on earth not? We can get the money for that now, at extremely low interest rates ffs - and the economic activity from that, grows our economy/GDP faster, back to a state of recovery - stabilizing Public Debt vs GDP much faster than not doing that...

LawBoy2018 · 27-06-2020 03:49PM

Madigan dropped!

Professor Moriarty · 27-06-2020 03:49PM

KyussB wrote: »

The agreement the parties have made, is to compound the economic crash with austerity in 2-2.5 years...

The agreement is meaningless. We are economically screwed for years. Austerity won't be a choice as there won't be money to spend. It's about lashing yourself to the mast and hoping the ship doesn't go down.

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 03:49PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

We don't have a direct cork to limerick rail line just so you know. We have a cork to limerick junction to limerick rail line.

So?

You have a train which connects limerick and cork

Is it over subscribed?

You have more than most of the country has

ExMachina1000 · 27-06-2020 03:52PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So?

You have a train which connects limerick and cork

Is it over subscribed?

You have more than most of the country has

Build a motorway. When we do eventually transition to electric cars the infrastructure will be in place.

Also You burn less fuel cruising at speed than starting and stopping all of the time. Less emissions

namloc1980 · 27-06-2020 03:54PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So?

You have a train which connects limerick and cork

Is it over subscribed?

You have more than most of the country has

The train from Cork to Limerick via Limerick junction is slower than the rubbish road connecting the two cities. It is not an attractive option at all.

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 03:54PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Build a motorway. When we do eventually transition to electric cars the infrastructure will be in place.

Also You burn less fuel cruising at speed than starting and stopping all of the time. Less emissions

Swapping two million combustion with two million Eletric cars is not the answer

Combustion engine cars will still be available to buy on second hand market till at least 2045

ExMachina1000 · 27-06-2020 03:54PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Swapping two million combustion with two million Eletric cars is not the answer

Spending 1.8 billion on bicycles is.

The car and the need for the car isn't going anywhere.
Building road network infrastructure is vital to an ever growing country

Professor Moriarty · 27-06-2020 03:54PM

KyussB wrote: »

Why on earth not? We can get the money for that now, at extremely low interest rates ffs - and the economic activity from that, grows our economy/GDP faster, back to a state of recovery - stabilizing Public Debt vs GDP much faster than not doing that...

So, with Brexit looming, a probable resurgence in a pandemic, a climate crisis just around the corner and the worst global recession since WW2, we should borrow 6.5 billion to build 100,000 houses. Okay.

LawBoy2018 · 27-06-2020 03:55PM

Darragh O'Brien - housing.

Necro · 27-06-2020 03:55PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So?

You have a train which connects limerick and cork

Is it over subscribed?

You have more than most of the country has

If you had ever even once driven from Limerick to Cork or vice versa you'd drop all arguments against the much needed M20. It should have been prioritised decades ago.

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 03:57PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Spending 1.8 billion on bicycles is

Sorry but anyone with a basic knowledge of climate change know electric cars are not the answer, they are part of the resolution but not the total solution

namloc1980 · 27-06-2020 03:57PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Darragh O'Brien - housing.

Tough gig. Still though anything he does will surely be better than Eoghan Murphy's efforts

Sierra Oscar · 27-06-2020 03:57PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Tough gig.

He hasn't been spectacular as Fianna Fáil Housing Spokesperson either. No housing policy produced in four years.

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 03:58PM

Necro wrote: »

If you had ever even once driven from Limerick to Cork or vice versa you'd drop all arguments against the much needed M20. It should have been prioritised decades ago.

I have driven it, I have driven nearly every road in Ireland if not them all.

I have yet to get an answer on the limerick to cork train line?

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 03:59PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Ban cars

I refer back to my post about balanced transport system

LawBoy2018 · 27-06-2020 03:59PM

Barry Cowen - Agriculture.

The greyhound industry will be delighted!!

MrMusician18 · 27-06-2020 04:00PM

Haven't seen any mention of where Simon Harris is going?

At a minimum looks like hes getting demoted as hes lost the health portfolio - will he be in the government at all?

namloc1980 · 27-06-2020 04:00PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I have driven it, I have driven nearly every road in Ireland if not them all.

I have yet to get an answer on the limerick to cork train line?

What's your question on it? There is no Cork to Limerick rail line. There's a single tracked line to Limerick from Limerick junction on the Cork Dublin mainline.

ExMachina1000 · 27-06-2020 04:01PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Haven't seen any mention of where Simon Harris is going?

At a minimum looks like hes getting demoted as hes lost the health portfolio - will he be in the government at all?

Hopefully out the door. A complete failure from day one

An Ciarraioch · 27-06-2020 04:02PM

Donnelly gets Health.

LawBoy2018 · 27-06-2020 04:02PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Haven't seen any mention of where Simon Harris is going?

At a minimum looks like hes getting demoted as hes lost the health portfolio - will he be in the government at all?

Simon Harris - Social protection.

efanton · 27-06-2020 04:02PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So?

You have a train which connects limerick and cork

Is it over subscribed?

You have more than most of the country has

You were just told, there is no train line from Limerick to Cork.

You have to go from Limerick to Limerick Junction (which happens to be be in a totally different county, Tipperary), then change trains to get another train to Cork. The train journey takes significantly longer than a journey by car.

That still doesnt deal with the issue of HGV's, containers or goods delivery.

Also there are absolutely ZERO commuter services on those rail lines. All services are inter city. Pretty pointless asking local people to use use trains when the only two towns between Limerick and Cork that are on those lines are Charleville and Mallow, and a lot of the existing trains services dont even stop at Charleville.

If you want a train service from Cork to Limerick that would carry commuters you are going to have to build a new rail line.

Kermit.de.frog · 27-06-2020 04:03PM

Fine Gael have done by far the best out of the cabinet seats so far taking Finance, Foreign Affairs and Justice

namloc1980 · 27-06-2020 04:04PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Fine Gael have done by far the best out of the cabinet seats so far taking Finance, Foreign Affairs and Justice

And avoiding Housing and Health!

Sierra Oscar · 27-06-2020 04:05PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Fine Gael have done by far the best out of the cabinet seats so far taking Finance, Foreign Affairs and Justice

To be expected though. Fianna Fáil have hammered Fine Gael on housing and health, they can't exactly pass up on the opportunity to show leadership on those portfolios.

Delivering on those portfolios is Fianna Fáil's way back to gaining more support. It's make or break for them.

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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