FF/FG/Green Next Government

Dank Janniels · 27-06-2020 12:08AM

Yea him too!!

James Brown · 27-06-2020 12:08AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Strong argument for two women, Humphreys and McEntee most likely

We must remember the seat numbers. FF have the upper hand also someone was saying Paschal applied for a spot over in europe. Although wouldn't be the first FG'er to balance two

Bannasidhe · 27-06-2020 12:22AM

Edgware wrote: »

But sure don't we all know that at the next election S.F. are going to sweep the boards and get an overall majority. With candidates like Violet and Paddy Holohan the country will rally to them

Hey no spoilers. :mad:

There's an awful lot of trolley watches and counting homeless people to get through first.

Bannasidhe · 27-06-2020 12:39AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Micheal collins was pro anglo irish treaty and FG claimed his heritage as FF were tradionally anti-treaty (as well as some dubius claims about law and order)

Its founder oduffy (of blueshirt fame),went on to become an alcoholic,and didnt last 12 months as leader of his own party,

Always been a peculiar lot,with a unique ability to rub people up,the wrong way and hamerroage votes

They were all Sinn Fein. Then they split over the Treaty. Pro-Treaty became Cumann na nGaedheal and, with the backing of the defunct Irish Unionist Alliance, were govt of Free State form 1923-1932.

Anti-Treaty side were still Sinn Fein and abstained from Dáil until Dev changed his mind and decided he wanted to be in gov and founded Fianna Fail - most of SF followed him. 1932 FF won GE.

1933 Cumann na nGaedheal amalgamated with The National Centre Party (conservative farmers mostly) and The National Guard (literally fascists) to form FG.

SF went through so many splits after that you'd need a flow chart to explain it. The word 'stickies' would appear frequently.

James Brown · 27-06-2020 12:57AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Hey no spoilers. :mad:

There's an awful lot of trolley watches and counting homeless people to get through first.

That's the caring attitude wins Fine Gael so many votes.

Bannasidhe · 27-06-2020 01:02AM

Bowie wrote: »

That's the caring attitude wins Fine Gael so many votes.

Perhaps it's because they are so binary in their thinking?
Used to be if not FG then ya hafta to be FF.
Now it's if not FG (+FF) than ya hafta be SF.

Can't seem to grasp that there are other options. Maybe it's not lack of caring but a lack of open minded imagination?

Itssoeasy · 27-06-2020 01:11AM

I know ministers haven't been selected yet but tomorrow afternoon it won't be that hard to work them out as I'm sure the media will know who has left the convention centre back to government buildings. I assume the FF minister/FG or green junior minister and vice versa will the way things go ? It's a way of ensuring all three parties get a fair shake in shaping policy in as many depts as possible.

James Brown · 27-06-2020 02:07AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Perhaps it's because they are so binary in their thinking?
Used to be if not FG then ya hafta to be FF.
Now it's if not FG (+FF) than ya hafta be SF.

Can't seem to grasp that there are other options. Maybe it's not lack of caring but a lack of open minded imagination?

It's the attitude.
You might recall all the SF troubles/IRA talk in the run up to the election. And compare that to 2011. Back then FF were the worst thing in the world. But good enough to partner with unofficially. The best thing about SF is they shook FF and FG. People see there's options, viable options. Even if you don't vote SF theres elsewhere to go and FF/FG are ****ting themselves IMO. Proof? FF and FG going into government together.
They are likely hoping the whole SF thing will blow over. And it might but it's in the books now, FF and FG are the same in the eyes of the electorate. They've likely split their vote. I mean it's likely an end to the days of as you say if not FF then you have to go FG.
In the least they'll need to start earning their wages. No more turn in government by default which is all FG ever had. Waiting in the wings for their smarter more popular brother FF to mess up.
Its apparent by the reams of posters on here more obsessed with getting digs in on SF than discussing their own parties or their policies. Everytime they mention shiners out of the blue it shows the fear.

Remind me · 27-06-2020 05:42AM

Bowie wrote: »

We must remember the seat numbers. FF have the upper hand also someone was saying Paschal applied for a spot over in europe. Although wouldn't be the first FG'er to balance two

Is not a position that would take him away from politics here. He would be heading up the EU Finance Ministers but would still be Minister here.

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 06:01AM

McMurphy wrote: »

You've been predicting the imminent political demise of SF since forever blanch, last time I checked - they've now, in 2020 got more elected TDs in the Dail than FG.

I will treat your predictions, with the same rigour I place in Russel Grants tarot card readings.

I'm a Virgo btw.

No posts about your betting today?

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 06:04AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Do people outside Dublin not heat their homes or something?

I didn’t know the government had control of people’s thermostats?

Bishop of hope · 27-06-2020 06:38AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I didn’t know the government had control of people’s thermostats?

You will soon.

a very cool kid · 27-06-2020 06:39AM

Bowie wrote: »

It's the attitude.
You might recall all the SF troubles/IRA talk in the run up to the election. And compare that to 2011. Back then FF were the worst thing in the world. But good enough to partner with unofficially. The best thing about SF is they shook FF and FG. People see there's options, viable options. Even if you don't vote SF theres elsewhere to go and FF/FG are ****ting themselves IMO. Proof? FF and FG going into government together.
They are likely hoping the whole SF thing will blow over. And it might but it's in the books now, FF and FG are the same in the eyes of the electorate. They've likely split their vote. I mean it's likely an end to the days of as you say if not FF then you have to go FG.
In the least they'll need to start earning their wages. No more turn in government by default which is all FG ever had. Waiting in the wings for their smarter more popular brother FF to mess up.
Its apparent by the reams of posters on here more obsessed with getting digs in on SF than discussing their own parties or their policies. Everytime they mention shiners out of the blue it shows the fear.

Shinnerbots talking about other TDs having to earn their wages, the irony

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 06:39AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

You will soon.

Why have they passed a new law?

I think they should call it the Daddy thermostat law

Bishop of hope · 27-06-2020 06:44AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Why have they passed a new law?

I think they should call it the Daddy thermostat law

No its the be green or dig one.

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 06:45AM

Bowie wrote: »

It's the attitude.
You might recall all the SF troubles/IRA talk in the run up to the election. And compare that to 2011. Back then FF were the worst thing in the world. But good enough to partner with unofficially. The best thing about SF is they shook FF and FG. People see there's options, viable options. Even if you don't vote SF theres elsewhere to go and FF/FG are ****ting themselves IMO. Proof? FF and FG going into government together.
They are likely hoping the whole SF thing will blow over. And it might but it's in the books now, FF and FG are the same in the eyes of the electorate. They've likely split their vote. I mean it's likely an end to the days of as you say if not FF then you have to go FG.
In the least they'll need to start earning their wages. No more turn in government by default which is all FG ever had. Waiting in the wings for their smarter more popular brother FF to mess up.
Its apparent by the reams of posters on here more obsessed with getting digs in on SF than discussing their own parties or their policies. Everytime they mention shiners out of the blue it shows the fear.

Why would anyone fear SF? As I said after Feb I wanted them to take over because at least we would only have 12 month of listening to SFbots like yourself before it all fell to s**t and we could get the politicians back into power

Seems SF seen the same issue so legged it....more fear in SF than with anyone else in Ireland.....

The politicians took over anyway and we now have a government. No need to fear SF, with the likes of Violet Anne and plenty more in ranks I fully expect them to shoot themselves in the foot so many times over the next 5 years they will be no longer the revolt voters option.....just a problem England have to deal with it North

McMurphy · 27-06-2020 06:59AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No posts about your betting today?

I have a bet on that there'll be more than one election in 2020.

It is not even July yet, still another 50% of 2020 to go, with an extremely flaky hobbled together govt.

Any posts from yourself about FG TDs that don't represent Dundalk, or automatically retained seats for the Ceann Comhairle?

I don't think I've ever seen anyone with as many posts in political threads who didn't have a scaldy balls notion what they were talking about before tbh.

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 07:03AM

McMurphy wrote: »

I have a bet on that there'll be more than one election in 2020.

It is not even July yet, still another 50% of 2020 to go, with an extremely flaky hobbled together govt.

Any posts from yourself about FG TDs that don't represent Dundalk, or automatically retained seats for the Ceann Comhairle?

I don't think I've ever seen anyone with as many posts in political threads who didn't have a scaldy balls notion what they were talking about before tbh.

I would respond but based on previous you go crying to mods....

McMurphy · 27-06-2020 07:09AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I would respond but based on previous you go crying to mods....

Remember that time I gave you advice about putting some forethought into your posts before making a fool of yourself?

That advice still stands.

a very cool kid · 27-06-2020 07:15AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Remember that time I gave you advice about putting some forethought into your posts before making a fool of yourself?

That advice still stands.

SF don't care about their voters. They didn't even try to get into power. Never forget.

Edgware · 27-06-2020 07:20AM

McMurphy wrote: »

I have a bet on that there'll be more than one election in 2020.

It is not even July yet, still another 50% of 2020 to go, with an extremely flaky hobbled together govt.

Any posts from yourself about FG TDs that don't represent Dundalk, or automatically retained seats for the Ceann Comhairle?

I don't think I've ever seen anyone with as many posts in political threads who didn't have a scaldy balls notion what they were talking about before tbh.

The Dail will adjourn soon until late September and between then and Christmas there will be about 8 weeks of Dail activity. Say goodbye to your bet.
If you are at the seaside and see a boat in the distance it's the one Sinn Fein have missed

FrancieBrady · 27-06-2020 07:25AM

Congrats to FF and FG and the Greens.

Not the result I thought would happen but equally fascinating.

A marriage made in heaven or hell?

Absolutely willing as a democrat to give them a fair wind and see how they go.

McMurphy · 27-06-2020 07:25AM

Edgware wrote: »

The Dail will adjourn soon until late September and between then and Christmas there will be about 8 weeks of Dail activity. Say goodbye to your bet.
If you are at the seaside and see a boat in the distance it's the one Sinn Fein have missed

Only bet what you can afford to lose, some win some don't, keeps the antics within (and sometimes outside) D.E all the more interesting.

First potential road bump could be the Siteserv inquiry publication which is due to be released before 30th June, so that means Mon or Tues.

Could be the first rift within the new FFG coalition if it reveals anyone having been behaving inappropriately.

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 07:30AM

Edgware wrote: »

The Dail will adjourn soon until late September and between then and Christmas there will be about 8 weeks of Dail activity. Say goodbye to your bet.
If you are at the seaside and see a boat in the distance it's the one Sinn Fein have missed

Too much sense in that post

Danzy · 27-06-2020 07:31AM

Edgware wrote: »

The Dail will adjourn soon until late September and between then and Christmas there will be about 8 weeks of Dail activity. Say goodbye to your bet.
If you are at the seaside and see a boat in the distance it's the one Sinn Fein have missed

The Shinners will not mind.

They are now the 2nd party.

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 07:32AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Only bet what you can afford to lose, some win some don't, keeps the antics within (and sometimes outside) D.E all the more interesting.

First potential road bump could be the Siteserv inquiry publication which is due to be released before 30th June, so that means Mon or Tues.

Could be the first rift within the new FFG coalition if it reveals anyone having been behaving inappropriately.

Still grasping at straws

Tell you what, why don’t you put a bet on it and tell us EVERY day about it

Bishop of hope · 27-06-2020 07:33AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Congrats to FF and FG and the Greens.

Not the result I thought would happen but equally fascinating.

A marriage made in heaven or hell?

Absolutely willing as a democrat to give them a fair wind and see how they go.

Very Gracious:)
I'd ask the same question myself tbf.
It'd be a cabinet room to be a fly on the wall in I'd say.
I wish them well too though. We need a strong no infighting govt for a while at least, getting the country moving again is a challenge and infighting would only distract from that so hopefully all will go to plan.

Galwayguy35 · 27-06-2020 07:42AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Strong argument for two women, Humphreys and McEntee most likely

Ridiculous if Humphreys stays just to make it look good having a woman in the job, I'd rate her abilities just above Mitchell O Connor.

Leonard Hofstadter · 27-06-2020 08:17AM

Well I'm definitely no fan of the Greens or FF, but having said all that, we finally have a majority government for the first time in 4 1/2 years.

That's a very positive thing, it means things can actually get done now. With the outgoing government, we had one that was in office but not in power, so Brexit aside, absolutely nothing got done. It would have been much better for the country as a whole had FF just agreed to going in with FG in 2016, it would have been a very solid majority that wouldn't have been constantly looking over its shoulder and wondering about winning votes.

Also, 50.2% of people did vote for one of the three parties above - so that is a majority of the electorate.

At the very least we must wish them well, we owe them a fair hearing and let's hope they do deliver some (but definitely not all) of the change they promised in the Programme for Government. Let's hope they can get people back to work - and soon. If they can make the impending recession a lot shorter and less painful on the people than the original projections were, then that will be a success in and of itself (although as FG's handling of the economy shows, they will get absolutely no credit whatsoever from the electorate for this - but it still needs to be done).

Maybe, just maybe, they will get some credit from the electorate in 2025 if they make significant inroads on housing and health - and maybe it's not inevitable that the Shinners will be in power then. Also, perhaps people will finally start asking the question about who does really want to go into power - look at how Labour, SF, Soc Dems etc ran straight for the hills? Are they really the type of parties we want to be voting for?

Whatever else you can say about the Greens, at least they've shown they've got the courage to go into power - and after all the talk and all the hysteria by some of their more prominent members on social media, their grassroots actually backed it by the highest margin of all three parties! They deserve credit for that. So do FF and FG, too.

The danger in looking at past elections is in assuming that it will be the same every time and that it is already a foregone conclusion that FF, FG and the Greens will be decimated in 2025. If Joe Biden wins the Presidential Election on a campaign of 'normalcy' and getting some degree of normality back into US Politics, perhaps there is hope for the more sensible centre ground, and that the kind of radical change on both the extremes on the left and right want will take a break for a while? Nothing is certain in politics any more.

is_that_so · 27-06-2020 08:21AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Onward and upwards? Fianna Fáil? In 13 years, they've gone from 41% to 24% in elections. Today they have 15% in opinion polls.

But still managed to get into government. I'd call that good politics!

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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