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General Election and Government Formation Megathread (see post #1)

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  • #5432
    zimmermania
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭zimmermania


    guyfawkes5 wrote: »
    It seems Leo was told this as well as he was fairly confident of it passing earlier today.

    It is very unlikely that Leo would be told anything other than someones opinion that the motion to enter government would pass.

    It may not pass and we may have a GE and the Greens could lose more than half the seats.


  • #5433
    guyfawkes5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭guyfawkes5


    Of course. I just meant senior GP figures probably told him they're confident, not that he's aware of the vote tallies so far.


  • #5434
    Darc19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    zimmermania wrote: »
    It is very unlikely that Leo would be told anything other than someones opinion that the motion to enter government would pass.

    It may not pass and we may have a GE and the Greens could lose more than half the seats.
    Opposite.

    Very likely that he was given hourly updates. But those within the green party knew early today that it was going to pass easily.

    This evening it was suggested that it was very comfortable margin with 80/20 being mentioned. Though I think it will be closer to 75/25.

    Saoise McHughs interview with Ivan Yates was seen as a car crash by many. Completely out of her depth.

    Even Pascal was confident enough to put his name forward to lead the finance group of ministers in the EU.


  • #5435
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,598 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Darc19 wrote: »
    Opposite.

    Very likely that he was given hourly updates. But those within the green party knew early today that it was going to pass easily.

    This evening it was suggested that it was very comfortable margin with 80/20 being mentioned. Though I think it will be closer to 75/25.

    Saoise McHughs interview with Ivan Yates was seen as a car crash by many. Completely out of her depth.

    Even Pascal was confident enough to put his name forward to lead the finance group of ministers in the EU.


    Saoirse McHugh could open her own scrapyard at this stage.


  • #5436
    Darc19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Saoirse McHugh could open her own scrapyard at this stage.

    Maybe l'm being cynical, but maybe she was put on the show by those supporting the deal.

    It really was bad and Ivan was taking it easy on her.


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  • #5437
    touts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭touts


    I'm hearing Fianna Fail may have a smaller yes percentage than the Greens but it will still pass. But they may struggle to get over 60%. Very active No campaign by their Ogra wing. And it's all getting very bitter. People campaigning for No have been expelled from official Facebook groups and their posts deleted which really pissed off some members. You could find a split in the party with a couple of TDs going independent.


  • #5438
    Ivefoundgod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    FF have no need to get over 60% though. It does seem the Greens are very confident its going to get over the line. Hopefully it does as it would be a major blow for Eamon and the party if it doesn't IMO.


  • #5439
    hardybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Saoirse McHugh could open her own scrapyard at this stage.

    I'm not sure how she's even relevant at this stage, apart from the fact that she makes loads of controversial statements which contradict party policy.


  • #5440
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    touts wrote: »
    I'm hearing Fianna Fail may have a smaller yes percentage than the Greens but it will still pass. But they may struggle to get over 60%. Very active No campaign by their Ogra wing. And it's all getting very bitter. People campaigning for No have been expelled from official Facebook groups and their posts deleted which really pissed off some members. You could find a split in the party with a couple of TDs going independent.

    They'll all fall into line after the vote I suspect. They could be offered a role in committees to keep them quiet.


  • #5441
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    touts wrote: »
    I'm hearing Fianna Fail may have a smaller yes percentage than the Greens but it will still pass. But they may struggle to get over 60%. Very active No campaign by their Ogra wing. And it's all getting very bitter. People campaigning for No have been expelled from official Facebook groups and their posts deleted which really pissed off some members. You could find a split in the party with a couple of TDs going independent.

    Yes, it was bitter and many dirty tricks were used. But there is no chance of any TDs jumping ship, they are all just there for the pension.


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  • #5442
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,687 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    They'll all fall into line after the vote I suspect. They could be offered a role in committees to keep them quiet.

    Isn't the plan to throw out junior ministeries like confetti?


  • #5443
    hardybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Isn't the plan to throw out junior ministeries like confetti?

    They'll have to in order to keep people involved/on side.


  • #5444
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Isn't the plan to throw out junior ministeries like confetti?

    Of course, every councilor in the country has been offered a seat in the Seanad too, and some of them even believe they will get one.


  • #5445
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    hardybuck wrote: »
    I'm not sure how she's even relevant at this stage, apart from the fact that she makes loads of controversial statements which contradict party policy.

    Jesus, that was a hilarious interview.

    Like a petulant child. As an aside, what does McHugh work as? I just hear candidiate


  • #5446
    hardybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    Yes, it was bitter and many dirty tricks were used. But there is no chance of any TDs jumping ship, they are all just there for the pension.

    Supposedly they have sight of individual results in each constituency. This means that MM will know who pulled their weight and supported this and who didn't.


  • #5447
    guyfawkes5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭guyfawkes5


    touts wrote: »
    You could find a split in the party with a couple of TDs going independent.
    There'd be a fair bit of irony there as a lot of the problem in the FF and FG camps is their sense of identity being threatened by going into coalition with the Old Enemy... so you might get people that are 'so Fianna Fail' they leave the Fianna Fail party.


  • #5448
    hardybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    guyfawkes5 wrote: »
    There'd be a fair bit of irony there as a lot of the problem in the FF and FG camps is their sense of identity being threatened by going into coalition with the Old Enemy... so you might get people that are 'so Fianna Fail' they leave the Fianna Fail party.

    FG have been driven by a younger group of TDs in their 30s and 40s for the last few years.

    It would appear that FF haven't moved with the times - which is also something which appeals to a decent chunk of their support base who didn't want marriage equality/abortion referendum etc.

    I think there will be definite tension about going in with the 'Old Enemy' but also a tension about new issues like climate change etc.


  • #5449
    hardybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    Jesus, that was a hilarious interview.

    Like a petulant child. As an aside, what does McHugh work as? I just hear candidiate

    Candidate for what - the next election whenever it comes around? Maybe she'll get into the Seanad if the Greens accept this thing - but another party would have put manners on her a long time ago.


  • #5450
    Ivefoundgod
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    No way in hell is Eamon giving a Seanad seat to someone like Saoirse. She has consistently undermined his position and his party for months if not years.


  • #5451
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Ivefoundgod wrote: »
    No way in hell is Eamon giving a Seanad seat to someone like Saoirse. She has consistently undermined his position and his party for months if not years.


    And why would he? unless the criteria is "most failed elections in a two year period"


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  • #5452
    guyfawkes5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭guyfawkes5


    They had her as a Seanad candidate just after the last election - she almost got in.

    I know there are some policies she talks about where the depth kind of goes - her talking about a totally decentralised rural economy comes to mind - but she brings a fresh perspective and speaks for a lot of voters that aren't represented all that well at the moment. To be honest I think she's a good addition to the political scene.


  • #5453
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    guyfawkes5 wrote: »
    They had her as a Seanad candidate just after the last election - she almost got in.

    I know there are some policies she talks about where the depth kind of goes - her talking about a totally decentralised rural economy comes to mind - but she brings a fresh perspective and speaks for a lot of voters that aren't represented all that well at the moment. To be honest I think she's a good addition to the political scene.

    Not enough to elect her


  • #5454
    hardybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    guyfawkes5 wrote: »
    They had her as a Seanad candidate just after the last election - she almost got in.

    I know there are some policies she talks about where the depth kind of goes - her talking about a totally decentralised rural economy comes to mind - but she brings a fresh perspective and speaks for a lot of voters that aren't represented all that well at the moment. To be honest I think she's a good addition to the political scene.

    The problem for Saoirse is that she has no filter. I know that this will appeal to many people who want more plain language from politicians, but she could say literally anything - and you can't have that among your ranks.

    The Seanad might be the place for her - but as an Independent rather than a member of a party.

    I know people treat her like a young girl and maybe give her some slack because of it, but she's about 3-4 years younger than Simon Harris FFS.


  • #5455
    ShamNNspace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,927 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    hardybuck wrote: »
    The problem for Saoirse is that she has no filter. I know that this will appeal to many people who want more plain language from politicians, but she could say literally anything - and you can't have that among your ranks.

    The Seanad might be the place for her - but as an Independent rather than a member of a party.

    I know people treat her like a young girl and maybe give her some slack because of it, but she's about 3-4 years younger than Simon Harris FFS.

    I don't think she'll stay long term in the green party, I'd see her eventually ploughing a lone Minglike furrow over here. He's already helped her in previous campaigns


  • #5456
    guyfawkes5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭guyfawkes5


    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    Not enough to elect her
    In county Mayo, maybe not as a TD - but she got around 4,000 first preferences in the general election and about 51,000 in the European election. This all points to her representing something that isn't a fringe element.

    As mentioned in this thread, she'd have a much better chance of being elected in a city.


  • #5457
    guyfawkes5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭guyfawkes5


    ShamNNspace wrote: »
    I don't think she'll stay long term in the green party, I'd see her eventually ploughing a lone Minglike furrow over here. He's already helped her in previous campaigns
    It's been said in news stories that she's 'indicated' that she'll leave the party if the PFG passed, so you're likely right.


  • #5458
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,776 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Well all will be revealed at 6pm this evening!


  • #5459
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,375 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    guyfawkes5 wrote: »
    It's been said in news stories that she's 'indicated' that she'll leave the party if the PFG passed, so you're likely right.

    If you do not agree with basic party policy, then how can you remain in the party?

    There appears to be a lot of Green Party activists who are more interested in policies more like PBP or Arise, or other left wing ginger groups than the environmental objectives of the GP.


  • #5460
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,678 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Well all will be revealed at 6pm this evening!

    Looks like 8pm before the Green Party results will be known.

    https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1276514560577548288


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  • #5461
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,776 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Looks like 8pm before the Green Party results will be known.

    https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1276514560577548288

    Probably quite close then!


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