Is it just me or have SF vanished?

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2020 03:54PM

blanch152 wrote: »

How can I have evidence of something that hasn't happened yet?

I hold the opinion that if Sinn Fein get into government, the level of corruption in Ireland will increase, and we will fall down the corruption index. What in that should be reported?

So your opinion is not based on any evidence...it's just the 'opinion' of somebody who is legend in their irrational (non evidence based) hate.

threeball · 24-06-2020 06:03PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Nice way to explain the inevitable crash in the index if Sinn Fein ever end up in government, we would be lucky to be top 100 if they ever get their hands on the levers of power.

Don't worry SF would give us all a big grant and a few pound to go on holidays to offset the effects if such a crash should happen. We'd be the most recession prove country in the world

Finty Lemon · 24-06-2020 09:03PM

I see SF abstained on the SCC vote. Softening up for an offer from FF? Or because Bobby Storey is no longer calling the shots on policy?

dundalkfc10 · 24-06-2020 11:05PM

Finty Lemon wrote: »

I see SF abstained on the SCC vote. Softening up for an offer from FF? Or because Bobby Storey is no longer calling the shots on policy?

Sure its Slab calling the shots.

JohnnyFlash · 24-06-2020 11:11PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Sure its Slab calling the shots.

Slab hasn't called the shots in many years, dude. It's Gerry, Ted, Bobby (RIP) and the others from Ballymurphy and West Belfast who call the shot these days. The Derry, Tyrone, Armagh and Fermanagh reps are the equivalent of the Healy Raes when it comes to the backroom team.

dundalkfc10 · 24-06-2020 11:28PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Slab hasn't called the shots in many years, dude. It's Gerry, Ted, Bobby (RIP) and the others from Ballymurphy and West Belfast who call the shot these days. The Derry, Tyrone, Armagh and Fermanagh reps are the equivalent of the Healy Raes when it comes to the backroom team.

I think do all do Skype calls, Kim Jong-Un does be on too

Bishop of hope · 24-06-2020 11:35PM

Marylou appeared the other day signing the book of condolences for the poor garda, that was killed last week.
Martin Kenny gave glowing oration about him in the, Dáil today.
Not many years ago SF td and entourage picked a hero garda killer on his release from prison.
Whisked him off to glorify his sacrifice for ould Ireland.

JohnnyFlash · 24-06-2020 11:37PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

I think do all do Skype calls, Kim Jong-Un does be on too

It was the stickies who went for the North Korean fake $100 bills, dude.

The provos tended to do most of their diplomacy work in north Africa.

Suckit · 25-06-2020 01:07AM

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Yes indeed, 18th position in a table of 179 is a good result (top 10% thereabouts). The spread among the top 20 is small also. It puts Ireland in the same light as Belgium, Australia, Austria, Canada, Germany. You know, mature centrist democracies with a liberal social agenda and a healthy respect for free market economics.

The 'perception' index is constructed as a composite of numerous surveys and data gathering exercises compiled by reputable expert institutions globally. Arguing over the word perception is a bit like arguing over the 'theory' part in the theory of evolution.
Its not just South American countries (like the SF beloved Venezuela or Colombia) that struggle for credibility. That other pillar of SF's international brotherhood, Greece, is not to hot either.

It's not really, and it's not either. Belgium are the only country with a similar score of the five you mentioned. And 'perception' isn't really what I was arguing. It is a bull**** index. Corruption can be measured at an estimation barely, and not accurately except in countries where it is so widely accepted that people don't really care. Unless the people engaged in the corruption are completely inept.

blanch152 wrote: »

You are correct, the data only starts from 2012 on a comparative basis.

What is interesting is that Ireland's performance has improved since 2012 by 7.2%, increasing the score from 69 to 74, indicating that Ireland has progressively become a less corrupt country under these Fine Gael governments.

We don't know how good it or bad it was before then?
I would argue that it isn't interesting at all. According to that table it has got worse since 2015.

And seeing as you think that the hospital beds and homeless crises are fake, as they dropped during lockdown it doesn't really surprise me that you again see only the good in FG as a Green voter.. :rolleyes:

blanch152 · 25-06-2020 09:21AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Marylou appeared the other day signing the book of condolences for the poor garda, that was killed last week.
Martin Kenny gave glowing oration about him in the, Dáil today.
Not many years ago SF td and entourage picked a hero garda killer on his release from prison.
Whisked him off to glorify his sacrifice for ould Ireland.

There were two deaths in the last week worthy of comment by Sinn Fein - Bobby Storey and Colm Horkan.

https://www.thejournal.ie/colm-horkan-tributes-dail-5131647-Jun2020/

"Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald wished “heartfelt condolences” to the family and friends of Garda Horkan, as well as to the wider community and An Garda Síochána.

“An honourable and brave man has been lost,” she said. "

This is the Bobby Storey one, which I won't repeat, save to say that it is nauseatingly long.

https://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/57204

The contrast between the two is stark. One was an Irish public servant who gave his life in the conduct of his work for all of us, the other was a criminal terrorist thug who caused countless misery to thousands of people.

Yet Mary-Lou went over the top in respect of the latter.

Edgware · 25-06-2020 09:32AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Marylou appeared the other day signing the book of condolences for the poor garda, that was killed last week.
Martin Kenny gave glowing oration about him in the, Dáil today.
Not many years ago SF td and entourage picked a hero garda killer on his release from prison.
Whisked him off to glorify his sacrifice for ould Ireland.

Stay in the 1980s or move on. Look at what happened between 1923 and 1932 when FF were elected. SF abstained yesterday in the vote against the O.A.S. Act.
They are slowly but surely moving towards the centre but of course have the few "up the Ra" dinosaurs still there. As Mary Lou would say "the demographics will take care of that"
If things go their way Friday they could be in government in a week.

25-06-2020 09:38AM

Edgware wrote: »

Stay in the 1980s or move on. Look at what happened between 1923 and 1932 when FF were elected. SF abstained yesterday in the vote against the O.A.S. Act.
They are slowly but surely moving towards the centre but of course have the few "up the Ra" dinosaurs still there. As Mary Lou would say "the demographics will take care of that"
If things go their way Friday they could be in government in a week.

Why wait a week? Why not the day after the election?

dundalkfc10 · 25-06-2020 09:49AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why wait a week? Why not the day after the election?

Didnt have the numbers as FF and FG wont talk to them about forming a Govt (well FF will tomorrow night if the Greens dont say yes). You know this but sure keep saying it

FrancieBrady · 25-06-2020 11:22AM

blanch152 wrote: »

There were two deaths in the last week worthy of comment by Sinn Fein - Bobby Storey and Colm Horkan.

https://www.thejournal.ie/colm-horkan-tributes-dail-5131647-Jun2020/

"Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald wished “heartfelt condolences” to the family and friends of Garda Horkan, as well as to the wider community and An Garda Síochána.

“An honourable and brave man has been lost,” she said. "

This is the Bobby Storey one, which I won't repeat, save to say that it is nauseatingly long.

https://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/57204

The contrast between the two is stark. One was an Irish public servant who gave his life in the conduct of his work for all of us, the other was a criminal terrorist thug who caused countless misery to thousands of people.

Yet Mary-Lou went over the top in respect of the latter.

I managed to get through the week without reading any of the above.

Do you seek stuff out to get offended at?

I wouldn't take advantage of tragic deaths to politicise them even though I could.

Bizarre personal principles there blanch...anyone's tragedy is ok for exploitation if there is a dig to be got at your boogeyman party...pretty disgusting really.

Edgware · 25-06-2020 11:34AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why wait a week? Why not the day after the election?

OK once more for the last time.
37 SEATS IS NOT A MAJORITY IN DAIL EIREANN.
MICKEY MOUSE CALCULATIONS MAY WORK IN SF ECONOMIC POLICY BUT NOT ELSEWHERE

dundalkfc10 · 25-06-2020 11:43AM

blanch152 wrote: »

There were two deaths in the last week worthy of comment by Sinn Fein - Bobby Storey and Colm Horkan.

https://www.thejournal.ie/colm-horkan-tributes-dail-5131647-Jun2020/

"Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald wished “heartfelt condolences” to the family and friends of Garda Horkan, as well as to the wider community and An Garda Síochána.

“An honourable and brave man has been lost,” she said. "

This is the Bobby Storey one, which I won't repeat, save to say that it is nauseatingly long.

https://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/57204

The contrast between the two is stark. One was an Irish public servant who gave his life in the conduct of his work for all of us, the other was a criminal terrorist thug who caused countless misery to thousands of people.

Yet Mary-Lou went over the top in respect of the latter.

The other was a freedom fighter.

One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist

Yeah_Right · 25-06-2020 11:55AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

The other was a freedom fighter.

One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Freedom fighter.

:D:D:D:D

dundalkfc10 · 25-06-2020 11:58AM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Freedom fighter.

:D:D:D:D

Yes what Catholics went through in the North was a disgrace (My Parents were 2 of them) You should read about it, while the Govt down here done nothing about it.

Nelson Mandela calls them Freedom Fighters but clowns like you on internet laugh about it all

blanch152 · 25-06-2020 12:34PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I managed to get through the week without reading any of the above.

Do you seek stuff out to get offended at?

I wouldn't take advantage of tragic deaths to politicise them even though I could.

Bizarre personal principles there blanch...anyone's tragedy is ok for exploitation if there is a dig to be got at your boogeyman party...pretty disgusting really.

Yes, defend Mary-Lou by attacking her critics.

Whether or not I seek stuff out to get offended at is not the issue, whether or not you managed to see it is not the issue, the issue, which you are so keen to avoid is that Sinn Fein continue to eulogise evil men while public servants killed in the line of duty get barely a passing mention.

Mary-Lou is a public figure, she shouldn't be eulogising evil terrorists.

FrancieBrady · 25-06-2020 12:41PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, defend Mary-Lou by attacking her critics.

Whether or not I seek stuff out to get offended at is not the issue, whether or not you managed to see it is not the issue, the issue, which you are so keen to avoid is that Sinn Fein continue to eulogise evil men while public servants killed in the line of duty get barely a passing mention.

Mary-Lou is a public figure, she shouldn't be eulogising evil terrorists.

What you are in denial of and will continue to deny, is that SF do not see them as 'evil terrorists'.
Just as FF and FG do not see the men and women who fought for independence as 'evil or terrorists'.

You are entitled to your view of them and history...you are not entitled to enforce your view on anybody else though and you are actually wasting your time and energy attempting to do it.

blanch152 · 25-06-2020 12:58PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What you are in denial of and will continue to deny, is that SF do not see them as 'evil terrorists'.
Just as FF and FG do not see the men and women who fought for independence as 'evil or terrorists'.

You are entitled to your view of them and history...you are not entitled to enforce your view on anybody else though and you are actually wasting your time and energy attempting to do it.

I fully accept that SF do not see them as "evil terrorists", but nearly all decent members of society view people who indiscriminately bomb and kill innocent people as evil terrorists.

Pointing out the difference between Sinn Fein and decent members of society is sufficient to me.

Pkiernan · 25-06-2020 01:01PM

Interesting how SF still want to abolish the anti terrorist and anti Organised Crime Special Courts.

Wonder why that is? Follow the money.

A lot of SF supporters getting fooled at the moment.

FrancieBrady · 25-06-2020 01:02PM

blanch152 wrote: »

I fully accept that SF do not see them as "evil terrorists", but nearly all decent members of society view people who indiscriminately bomb and kill innocent people as evil terrorists.

Like those who bombed Dublin and my county town?

Pointing out the difference between Sinn Fein and decent members of society is sufficient to me.

So at what point did FG and FF and those involved in achieving independence and fighting a civil war - merge into being 'decent members' of society?

How many years does it take until 'decent members' of society change the descriptors?*

*asking for a friend.

dundalkfc10 · 25-06-2020 01:12PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Like those who bombed Dublin and my county town?

So at what point did FG and FF and those involved in achieving independence and fighting a civil war - merge into being 'decent members' of society?

How many years does it take until 'decent members' of society change the descriptors?*

*asking for a friend.

Game Set Match Francie

25-06-2020 01:35PM

Edgware wrote: »

OK once more for the last time.
37 SEATS IS NOT A MAJORITY IN DAIL EIREANN.
MICKEY MOUSE CALCULATIONS MAY WORK IN SF ECONOMIC POLICY BUT NOT ELSEWHERE

Please don’t shout.

I’m well aware that SF on their own don’t have a majority. If people think that they can form a government Friday, why didn’t they do so immediately after the election?

dundalkfc10 · 25-06-2020 01:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Please don’t shout.

I’m well aware that SF on their own don’t have a majority. If people think that they can form a government Friday, why didn’t they do so immediately after the election?

Because FG and FF and Greens wouldnt talk to them.

FF and the Greens have opened the door for talks to happen (if Greens say no)

Cant explain it any easier

Loafing Oaf · 25-06-2020 01:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If people think that they can form a government Friday, why didn’t they do so immediately after the election?

I presume they believe FF will be reconsidering its position if the PFG goes down...

Bishop of hope · 25-06-2020 01:51PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Because FG and FF and Greens wouldnt talk to them.

FF and the Greens have opened the door for talks to happen (if Greens say no)

Cant explain it any easier

The washings of the bag like, how, would SF supporters feel about MM as Taoiseach?
Would the SF membership pass a deal with FF and the Greens, would FF membership or the Greens for that matter?
Is it just about getting SF in without a thought of a programme for government?
Lads, just because this current deal is rejected, if it is, doesn't mean wahey it's FF SF and whoever!

McMurphy · 25-06-2020 01:57PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The washings of the bag like, how, would SF supporters feel about MM as Taoiseach?

Why assume Michaeál would be Taoiseach?

Would the SF membership pass a deal with FF and the Greens, would FF membership or the Greens for that matter?
Is it just about getting SF in without a thought of a programme for government?
Lads, just because this current deal is rejected, if it is, doesn't mean wahey it's FF SF and whoever!

So now the shinners do want to govern afterall? Careful now Bishop, few lads on here going to be arguing with you on this.

FrancieBrady · 25-06-2020 01:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Please don’t shout.

I’m well aware that SF on their own don’t have a majority. If people think that they can form a government Friday, why didn’t they do so immediately after the election?

Circumstances? A change in attitude among others? Any amount of reasons.

Why didn't FG seek a deal with FF immediately after the election for instance?

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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