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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Pkiernan

I haven't seen or heard anything from Mary Lou, Slab Murphy and other good Republicans in ages.

What's going on?

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dundalkfc10

Yeah_Right wrote: »

So did Bobby "The Freedom Fighter" Storey do anything to help your parents? Or did he just get revenge for what they went through?

The government in the Republic were probably more concerned about "The Freedom Fighters" killing their police force than worrying about what was happening to catholics in another country.

Fine Gael: The party's full official title is “Fine Gael – The United Ireland Party”.

Fianna Fáil: Yes. A United Ireland is a founding goal of our party.

Why would they give a **** though

Yeah_Right

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Yes what Catholics went through in the North was a disgrace (My Parents were 2 of them) You should read about it, while the Govt down here done nothing about it.

So did Bobby "The Freedom Fighter" Storey do anything to help your parents? Or did he just get revenge for what they went through?

The government in the Republic were probably more concerned about "The Freedom Fighters" killing their police force than worrying about what was happening to catholics in another country.

dundalkfc10

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The "numbers were there" commentary is based upon the very reasonable assumption that the Greens would be happy to talk to a left wing alliance if it included environmentalist policies.

Awh pet, its ok. FF/SF and the Greens will be talking tomorrow night

hatrickpatrick

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Well my maths are

FF 38 + FG 35 + Greens 12 = 85

Remaining seats 75

The "numbers were there" commentary is based upon the very reasonable assumption that the Greens would be happy to talk to a left wing alliance if it included environmentalist policies.

hatrickpatrick

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The washings of the bag like, how, would SF supporters feel about MM as Taoiseach?
Would the SF membership pass a deal with FF and the Greens, would FF membership or the Greens for that matter?
Is it just about getting SF in without a thought of a programme for government?
Lads, just because this current deal is rejected, if it is, doesn't mean wahey it's FF SF and whoever!

I can't definitively speak for anyone else but I would be willing to bet that a huge volume of the young people who flocked to SF would be happy with any government which tackled the cost of living and housing through left wing policies. The issue isn't that we'd still oppose FFG if they brought in such measures, the issue is that we don't trust them to do it regardless of what they say or what agreements they sign off on. They'll find some excuse to pander to neoliberalism and not change course even if they promised to change course to begin with. FG at least are honest about not wanting to fix the problem, FF come across as a bunch of dishonest gobsh!tes on the issue considering their prior record in office.

Point being, if they do go in and they do change policy in this area, then great. It's not about party or personality but policy. The surge in support for SF is entirely born out of opposition to FFG's shared ideology and support for SF's opposing ideology. Obviously if FFG genuinely adopted the opposing ideology, then people would stop having as big an issue with them. The problem is, though, that they've sullied their reputations so much in this regard that even if they said they were changing policy, a lot of young people would assume they were just lying to get the pressure off their backs, and would come up with some excuse for reneging on commitments further down the line.

Eoghan Murphy, for example, single handedly did more damage to FG's reputation among young people than any individual politician has done for any political party in my entire memory of observing and participating in Irish politics. Even if they change policy, people still remember the attitude this man had towards the suffering of the young, and the fact that he had Leo's backing throughout his entire term in that office. Direct attacks against a demographic of the kind Murphy engaged in are extremely difficult to forget in terms of coming around to trusting a party. That's why people don't trust FG. FF at least have left wing policies in their past, which proves that they could come back around to them.

Essentially, while FF + SF wouldn't be as attractive as SF with other parties aside from FF and FG, it's still orders of magnitude better than any government involving FG. In that scenario, I think many SF voters would accept MM as Taoiseach if it meant a change in national policy alongside ensuring that FG got nowhere near power again for at least the next five years.

dundalkfc10

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Numbers were still there.

Even RBB rinsed Mary Lou.

Well my maths are

FF 38 + FG 35 + Greens 12 = 85

Remaining seats 75

Jinglejangle69

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Because FG and FF and Greens wouldnt talk to them.

FF and the Greens have opened the door for talks to happen (if Greens say no)

Cant explain it any easier

Numbers were still there.

Even RBB rinsed Mary Lou.

dundalkfc10

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I haven't seen anything bar them saying nobody will talk to us that makes me think there's a chance in hell of them agreeing to be in govt.
My opinion is, they will not agree no matter who approaches them anyway.

Tiocfaidh ár lá

Bishop of hope

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

They are clutching at straws at this stage, great reading on all threads.

I haven't seen anything bar them saying nobody will talk to us that makes me think there's a chance in hell of them agreeing to be in govt.
My opinion is, they will not agree no matter who approaches them anyway.

Finty Lemon

Like those who bombed Dublin and my county town?

Those succesful operations were entirely justified.

dundalkfc10

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Just questions Mc, I don't know how it will turn out, it will all be irrelevant if the current deal goes ahead anyway.
What process does SF go through if there's a deal offered, who has a say in its acceptance, is it the members voting or is it like an Ard-Fheis where its put to them and they all vote yes as, the result is pre established?

According to some clowns on here, The IRA army council in Belfast will decide

Bishop of hope

McMurphy wrote: »

Why assume Michaeál would be Taoiseach?

So now the shinners do want to govern afterall? Careful now Bishop, few lads on here going to be arguing with you on this.

Just questions Mc, I don't know how it will turn out, it will all be irrelevant if the current deal goes ahead anyway.
What process does SF go through if there's a deal offered, who has a say in its acceptance, is it the members voting or is it like an Ard-Fheis where its put to them and they all vote yes as, the result is pre established?

dundalkfc10

McMurphy wrote: »

Why assume Michaeál would be Taoiseach?

So now the shinners do want to govern afterall? Careful now Bishop, few lads on here going to be arguing with you on this.

They are clutching at straws at this stage, great reading on all threads.

dundalkfc10

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The washings of the bag like, how, would SF supporters feel about MM as Taoiseach?
Would the SF membership pass a deal with FF and the Greens, would FF membership or the Greens for that matter?
Is it just about getting SF in without a thought of a programme for government?
Lads, just because this current deal is rejected, if it is, doesn't mean wahey it's FF SF and whoever!

We know, keeps FG out though. Pints the weekend

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Please don’t shout.

I’m well aware that SF on their own don’t have a majority. If people think that they can form a government Friday, why didn’t they do so immediately after the election?

Circumstances? A change in attitude among others? Any amount of reasons.

Why didn't FG seek a deal with FF immediately after the election for instance?

McMurphy

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The washings of the bag like, how, would SF supporters feel about MM as Taoiseach?

Why assume Michaeál would be Taoiseach?

Would the SF membership pass a deal with FF and the Greens, would FF membership or the Greens for that matter?
Is it just about getting SF in without a thought of a programme for government?
Lads, just because this current deal is rejected, if it is, doesn't mean wahey it's FF SF and whoever!

So now the shinners do want to govern afterall? Careful now Bishop, few lads on here going to be arguing with you on this.

Bishop of hope

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Because FG and FF and Greens wouldnt talk to them.

FF and the Greens have opened the door for talks to happen (if Greens say no)

Cant explain it any easier

The washings of the bag like, how, would SF supporters feel about MM as Taoiseach?
Would the SF membership pass a deal with FF and the Greens, would FF membership or the Greens for that matter?
Is it just about getting SF in without a thought of a programme for government?
Lads, just because this current deal is rejected, if it is, doesn't mean wahey it's FF SF and whoever!

Loafing Oaf

Deleted User wrote: »

If people think that they can form a government Friday, why didn’t they do so immediately after the election?

I presume they believe FF will be reconsidering its position if the PFG goes down...

dundalkfc10

Deleted User wrote: »

Please don’t shout.

I’m well aware that SF on their own don’t have a majority. If people think that they can form a government Friday, why didn’t they do so immediately after the election?

Because FG and FF and Greens wouldnt talk to them.

FF and the Greens have opened the door for talks to happen (if Greens say no)

Cant explain it any easier

[Deleted User]

Edgware wrote: »

OK once more for the last time.
37 SEATS IS NOT A MAJORITY IN DAIL EIREANN.
MICKEY MOUSE CALCULATIONS MAY WORK IN SF ECONOMIC POLICY BUT NOT ELSEWHERE

Please don’t shout.

I’m well aware that SF on their own don’t have a majority. If people think that they can form a government Friday, why didn’t they do so immediately after the election?

dundalkfc10

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Like those who bombed Dublin and my county town?

So at what point did FG and FF and those involved in achieving independence and fighting a civil war - merge into being 'decent members' of society?

How many years does it take until 'decent members' of society change the descriptors?*

*asking for a friend.

Game Set Match Francie

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

I fully accept that SF do not see them as "evil terrorists", but nearly all decent members of society view people who indiscriminately bomb and kill innocent people as evil terrorists.

Like those who bombed Dublin and my county town?

Pointing out the difference between Sinn Fein and decent members of society is sufficient to me.

So at what point did FG and FF and those involved in achieving independence and fighting a civil war - merge into being 'decent members' of society?

How many years does it take until 'decent members' of society change the descriptors?*

*asking for a friend.

Pkiernan

Interesting how SF still want to abolish the anti terrorist and anti Organised Crime Special Courts.

Wonder why that is? Follow the money.

A lot of SF supporters getting fooled at the moment.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What you are in denial of and will continue to deny, is that SF do not see them as 'evil terrorists'.
Just as FF and FG do not see the men and women who fought for independence as 'evil or terrorists'.

You are entitled to your view of them and history...you are not entitled to enforce your view on anybody else though and you are actually wasting your time and energy attempting to do it.

I fully accept that SF do not see them as "evil terrorists", but nearly all decent members of society view people who indiscriminately bomb and kill innocent people as evil terrorists.

Pointing out the difference between Sinn Fein and decent members of society is sufficient to me.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, defend Mary-Lou by attacking her critics.

Whether or not I seek stuff out to get offended at is not the issue, whether or not you managed to see it is not the issue, the issue, which you are so keen to avoid is that Sinn Fein continue to eulogise evil men while public servants killed in the line of duty get barely a passing mention.

Mary-Lou is a public figure, she shouldn't be eulogising evil terrorists.

What you are in denial of and will continue to deny, is that SF do not see them as 'evil terrorists'.
Just as FF and FG do not see the men and women who fought for independence as 'evil or terrorists'.

You are entitled to your view of them and history...you are not entitled to enforce your view on anybody else though and you are actually wasting your time and energy attempting to do it.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I managed to get through the week without reading any of the above.

Do you seek stuff out to get offended at?

I wouldn't take advantage of tragic deaths to politicise them even though I could.

Bizarre personal principles there blanch...anyone's tragedy is ok for exploitation if there is a dig to be got at your boogeyman party...pretty disgusting really.

Yes, defend Mary-Lou by attacking her critics.

Whether or not I seek stuff out to get offended at is not the issue, whether or not you managed to see it is not the issue, the issue, which you are so keen to avoid is that Sinn Fein continue to eulogise evil men while public servants killed in the line of duty get barely a passing mention.

Mary-Lou is a public figure, she shouldn't be eulogising evil terrorists.

dundalkfc10

Yeah_Right wrote: »

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Freedom fighter.

:D:D:D:D

Yes what Catholics went through in the North was a disgrace (My Parents were 2 of them) You should read about it, while the Govt down here done nothing about it.

Nelson Mandela calls them Freedom Fighters but clowns like you on internet laugh about it all

Yeah_Right

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

The other was a freedom fighter.

One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Freedom fighter.

:D:D:D:D

dundalkfc10

blanch152 wrote: »

There were two deaths in the last week worthy of comment by Sinn Fein - Bobby Storey and Colm Horkan.

https://www.thejournal.ie/colm-horkan-tributes-dail-5131647-Jun2020/

"Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald wished “heartfelt condolences” to the family and friends of Garda Horkan, as well as to the wider community and An Garda Síochána.

“An honourable and brave man has been lost,” she said. "

This is the Bobby Storey one, which I won't repeat, save to say that it is nauseatingly long.

https://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/57204

The contrast between the two is stark. One was an Irish public servant who gave his life in the conduct of his work for all of us, the other was a criminal terrorist thug who caused countless misery to thousands of people.

Yet Mary-Lou went over the top in respect of the latter.

The other was a freedom fighter.

One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist

Edgware

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why wait a week? Why not the day after the election?

OK once more for the last time.
37 SEATS IS NOT A MAJORITY IN DAIL EIREANN.
MICKEY MOUSE CALCULATIONS MAY WORK IN SF ECONOMIC POLICY BUT NOT ELSEWHERE