Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

tom1ie · 25-06-2020 10:07AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And we're all still waiting for his proof that the CIA said the Wuhan lab is the source. Kermit "posting facts and figures" is comedy to me. Those of us who know him know he's one of the biggest conspiracy nuts on the site.

But he is posting facts and figures? He might be a “conspiracy nut” as you imply, but the stuff he posts on here can be backed up over multiple sources.
Just because it doesn’t suit your narrative doesn’t mean it’s fake news!

podgeandrodge · 25-06-2020 10:07AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

But seriously, you can drink but unless you are in the process of sipping, the mask has to be on. Same in a restaurant, you can take it off to eat. The tables are spaced out and all staff are masked anyway so I dont see that being too high risk.

Smoking I dunno. I guess the same, unless you are actively smoking, mask on. There have been calls to ban it altogether but I dont know if that will happen. Its part of the appeal of coming here for a lot of people.

It does seem like a lot of on/off of masks though in these circumstances, which would potentially increase risk of contamination from touching mouth/nose inadvertently at some point having potentially come into contact with an infected surface etc?

Micky 32 · 25-06-2020 10:09AM

That Pro Mallon is having a great time on the RTE news app. He must be a joy to wake up to next to you in the bed on xmas morning..

bb1234567 · 25-06-2020 10:09AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Why are people in a panic over the situation in Brazil/India/Mexico ?
Lockdown was never going to work there, they're not exactly first world countries ...

How does that mean Europe will start going mad again ?
Localised outbreaks here (spain) too, but they are being controlled.

I think that there is some concern over people from these areas with uncontrolled outbreaks bringing it back into circulation in Europe. in 2016 there were over 13,400 Brazilians living in Ireland and I would say it is up around 20,000 by now, for example

Rob A. Bank · 25-06-2020 10:19AM

The Covid-19 contact-tracing app in France has been a flop, mainly due to privacy concerns.

France’s state-supported “StopCovid” contact-tracing app has been downloaded by 1.9 million people, roughly 2% of the population, leading to 1.8 million activations as of June 22.

It has only alerted 14 people that they were at risk of infection since its launch three weeks ago, the digital affairs minister said Tuesday, while almost half a million chose to uninstall the app.

Since its launch, 68 people informed the platform they had been infected and only 14 users were alerted that they were now at risk because of their contacts with these people,

Meanwhile Boris Johnson has ditched the current UK coronavirus-tracing app and is shifting to a model based on technology developed by Apple and Google.

I think it should be very important for us to have the same app working in N.I and here, considering the amount of cross border traffic.

25-06-2020 10:22AM

Right, people are talking about how some just want a happy news thread. It's not that.

These are his last posts in this thread..

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It is obvious to me that if people want those sorts of updates and Kermit is happy to provide them, they should be in their own thread. They are posted with little context and it's just a case of handpicking the worst news he can find from around the world.

I mean really. ICU beds in Houston? I give the odd update about Vietnam because at least I live here so there's some reason for it.

Jackman25 · 25-06-2020 10:23AM

tom1ie wrote: »

But he is posting facts and figures? He might be a “conspiracy nut” as you imply, but the stuff he posts on here can be backed up over multiple sources.
Just because it doesn’t suit your narrative doesn’t mean it’s fake news!

Maybe the lad that says "Strap yourselves in for the second wave" might be the one with the narrative.

cnocbui · 25-06-2020 10:29AM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

What ever happened to take your rubbish home with you? Those beach scenes don't reflect well people over there. Really hope Irish people have more respect.

Well they don't. Near a lovely local lookout, there are multiple bags of domestic rubbish thrown into and just over the hedges, most likely from someone who lives nearby.

Australia has this wonderful institution where on a particular day each year, tens of thousands of volunteers, school kids and council workers, scour local areas, highway verges with even divers combing harbours, lakes rivers, picking up rubbish, from dumped cars to cigarette butts.

Ireland could well do with something similar. The countryside is filthy, it's just the rate of growth of plants that quickly obscures the bulk of it so it's thankfully less visible.

Young men who work in the building trades are the filthiest scum imaginable. Their idea of a bin is everything beyond the rolled down window of their vehicle. If I was in government, I would tax Lucozade at 30% of turnover to pay for people to scour the countryside for the millions of their red and yellow eyesores discarded by aforesaid men.

hmmm · 25-06-2020 10:30AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I mean really. ICU beds in Houston? I give the odd update about Vietnam because at least I live here so there's some reason for it.

The situation in the US is very relevant to Covid and the potential impact there could be on us if left unchecked.

This is not the happy clappy thread.

Deeper Blue · 25-06-2020 10:34AM

What I've taken from the last few pages of the thread is that people just love a bit of misery

GooglePlus · 25-06-2020 10:34AM

With such low virus exposure across our country, reintroduction and a second wave seems inevitable but I can't see us locking down again, it'll be economy>people this time around.

Hopefully people are still keeping their immune system in check, this isn't over.

Tokyo · 25-06-2020 10:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Right, people are talking about how some just want a happy news thread. It's not that.

These are his last posts in this thread..

<mod snip>

It is obvious to me that if people want those sorts of updates and Kermit is happy to provide them, they should be in their own thread. They are posted with little context and it's just a case of handpicking the worst news he can find from around the world.

I mean really. ICU beds in Houston? I give the odd update about Vietnam because at least I live here so there's some reason for it.

Mod: Quit it with the running commentary on another poster's contributions to the thread. You're welcome to not have to endure anyone's posts by simply putting them on ignore. However you don't get to dictate which posts are relevant to the thread and which ones are not.

hmmm · 25-06-2020 10:45AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

With such low virus exposure across our country, reintroduction and a second wave seems inevitable but I can't see us locking down again, it'll be economy>people this time around.

They said the same in Texas, and they are now considering the unthinkable - even in a "Red state". No government can allow hospitals to become over-run.

Hopefully it never comes to that, and we can control outbreaks in some sort of local way until a vaccine becomes available, but no-one should assume that we will never again have to impose severe restrictions if things became bad enough.

caveat emptor · 25-06-2020 10:46AM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

This is the Irish thread as I understand it.

It's a global problem. Global pandemics are by their nature global. Local outbreak is called an epidemic.
It's a global thing because we are interconnected globally. We are only as strong as our weakest link unless we really do want to live as an island. So **** hitting fan in US and flights resuming to US is relevant. More than most realise.

Edit:

It's also relevant to see how places that eased restrictions too early are fairing. Complacency is real and we should be careful. Lockdown is ****e, alternative worse.

Cork Boy 53 · 25-06-2020 10:49AM

cnocbui wrote: »

Well they don't. Near a lovely local lookout, there are multiple bags of domestic rubbish thrown into and just over the hedges, most likely from someone who lives nearby.

Australia has this wonderful institution where on a particular day each year, tens of thousands of volunteers, school kids and council workers, scour local areas, highway verges with even divers combing harbours, lakes rivers, picking up rubbish, from dumped cars to cigarette butts.

Ireland could well do with something similar. The countryside is filthy, it's just the rate of growth of plants that quickly obscures the bulk of it so it's thankfully less visible.

Young men who work in the building trades are the filthiest scum imaginable. Their idea of a bin is everything beyond the rolled down window of their vehicle. If I was in government, I would tax Lucozade at 30% of turnover to pay for people to scour the countryside for the millions of their red and yellow eyesores discarded by aforesaid men.

I don`t know why you`re singling out Lucozade. I know the Greens are in favour of introducing a returnable deposit scheme for glass and plastic bottles which would be a step in the right direction to reduce this chronic problem.

Non solum non ambulabit · 25-06-2020 10:52AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

It's a global problem. Global pandemics are by their nature global. Local outbreak is called an epidemic.
It's a global thing because we are interconnected globally. We are only as strong as our weakest link unless we really do want to live as an island. So **** hitting fan in US and flights resuming to US is relevant. More than most realise.

Don't disagree but this is a thread within the greater Covid 19 Forum with Ireland in the title. There are other threads about the UK, the USA etc

Drumpot · 25-06-2020 10:52AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

With such low virus exposure across our country, reintroduction and a second wave seems inevitable but I can't see us locking down again, it'll be economy>people this time around.

Hopefully people are still keeping their immune system in check, this isn't over.

I think you are right once we manage a rise correctly.

Was discussing this with my wife there. Assuming no vaccine comes this year (with some really promising signs long term), I would hope that the worst scenario is:

- we go back with not enough measure in place at beginning
- a certain level of Transmission be acceptable , mostly to maintain healthcare services
- people will hopefully adapt quicker to a surge but there could be a few panicked moments
- we find a reasonable way of keeping the economy going by adapting to the virus (accepting its here and until vaccine we have to change)

Personally I am prioritizing putting structures in place for my family now. Simple things I mentioned like:

- getting used to online grocery shopping
- having Reasonable stock of food
- getting whatever I might want or need over the coming months now in case post etc is effected
- doing up my house/garden as a priority (fix stuff and make it more comfortable) in case it’s harder to get these things done at a later stage

I’ve actually got a lot of other stuff from the first outbreak that helped

- thermometer, pulse oximeter, blood pressure monitor
- long term amount of VIT D, C , magnesium , zinc (and coffee :pac: )
- medications and gut supplements (try to have 2+months)

I also talk with my wife and with children about the outbreak. I try not to excess But basically try and do so in a way where they aren’t scared or shocked if things get a bit hairy. When the lockdown started there was no tears or concerns in my household, we were as prepared as you could reasonably be.

I think the mental health side of this is massive so it’s important to try and have a bit of balance. Like a vaccine, sometimes you need a little bit of the virus itself to get better, I think it’s good to do a reasonable “what if” scenario and ask how you will deal with it within reason to emotionally prepare.

A lot of the panic was because this is new to us all and many people hadn’t even thought about what might happen or what to do if it came here.

s1ippy · 25-06-2020 10:54AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Alot of viruses lie dormant and can resurface to cause problems in the future.

Human Papillomavirus, Epstein Barr Virus, chicken pox virus, measles virus, rubella, hepatitis b, hiv, herpes can lie dormant, when the immune system is weak, it can reactivate. Are there any viruses that can't lay dormant

It's not anything new with viruses. It's not going to go away by just thinking positive.

I said to my friend a couple of weeks in "it's like AIDs you can get just by standing close to someone" and their reaction was such that I haven't used that analogy since.

MickeyLeari · 25-06-2020 10:55AM

cnocbui wrote: »

Well they don't. Near a lovely local lookout, there are multiple bags of domestic rubbish thrown into and just over the hedges, most likely from someone who lives nearby.

Australia has this wonderful institution where on a particular day each year, tens of thousands of volunteers, school kids and council workers, scour local areas, highway verges with even divers combing harbours, lakes rivers, picking up rubbish, from dumped cars to cigarette butts.

Ireland could well do with something similar. The countryside is filthy, it's just the rate of growth of plants that quickly obscures the bulk of it so it's thankfully less visible.

Young men who work in the building trades are the filthiest scum imaginable. Their idea of a bin is everything beyond the rolled down window of their vehicle. If I was in government, I would tax Lucozade at 30% of turnover to pay for people to scour the countryside for the millions of their red and yellow eyesores discarded by aforesaid men.

We have Tidy Towns which is a great initiative. Yes we have problems but we also do a lot of good.

Anyway this is off topic.

Away With The Fairies · 25-06-2020 11:05AM

s1ippy wrote: »

I said to my friend a couple of weeks in "it's like AIDs you can get just by standing close to someone" and their reaction was such that I haven't used that analogy since.

It's scary but this is it.

tom1ie · 25-06-2020 11:05AM

Jackman25 wrote: »

Maybe the lad that says "Strap yourselves in for the second wave" might be the one with the narrative.

Well yeah I agree that was uncalled for but by and large he posts facts that a good many people on here appreciate being informed of.
I think people aren’t used to both sides of an argument anymore.

tom1ie · 25-06-2020 11:08AM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Don't disagree but this is a thread within the greater Covid 19 Forum with Ireland in the title. There are other threads about the UK, the USA etc

Is there a global c19 thread?
This thread (thread 1)started in January when c19 was in Wuhan. I think the title changed to include ROI after? Correct me if I’m wrong beasty!

Kermit.de.frog · 25-06-2020 11:10AM

In response to those calling my posts negative - i'd say this

COVID is not an Irish problem - it is a global problem and no matter what we do here we will be effected by what happens elsewhere. I ignore the personal posts so there is no point attacking me like that.

I understand people are frustrated and irritated with the restrictions and that's fine. However, I think people also want to know what is happening around the world.

The situation is not good, it really isn't. You might not believe that or accept that but it is true.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion - my own approach is to try and encourage people not to be complacent because that will get us in to trouble quick fast. I don't want that. I want us out of this mess as quickly as possible.

But we can't do it alone. And it is important, in my opinion, that people have as much info as possible (without being overloaded) about what is going on elsewhere.

I don't see the problem, if you have an issue as Mike_ie says, there is an ignore button. I absolutely will not be diluting my posts on the basis that "you need to say a good thing with every bad thing".

That's not reasonable and it's not right.

Everyone is entitled to express their opinion and some are going to vehemently disagree and that's fine.

That's debate, that's discussion.

It would be boring here otherwise.

Deeper Blue · 25-06-2020 11:15AM

Ye're being played like a fiddle lads

GooglePlus · 25-06-2020 11:20AM

NDWC wrote: »

Ye're being played like a fiddle lads

Elaborate so we know what you're actually talking about, it's hard to know otherwise.

ACitizenErased · 25-06-2020 11:24AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Good morning to those who berate posters for putting up information in this thread. Hope today is positive enough for you.

One third of cases in the under-30s group over the list fortnight in Ireland, including nine cases in the 0-4 age bracket, seven cases in 5-14 age group, 25 in 15-24 bracket, 35 cases in 25-34 age group.

Kingston Mills fair play to ya biy
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/face-masks-should-be-mandatory-in-irish-shops-says-immunologist-1.4288191

A wan was blocking the door of the petrol Station on the south link in Cork on Monday evening, shouting at her buddy who worked on the till while three people just stood 2m away from her and waited for her to stop making a vector of herself and get out of the way. Some people have absolutely zero self-awareness, I actually felt a modicum of sympathy that somebody could be so thick.

This restaurant idea is a really positive step and I'm looking forward to seeing the charter being awarded to a few places I love to go:
https://m.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/first-look-new-national-covid-19-safety-charter-to-reassure-staycationers-39314718.html

Paddy Mallon here, bang on about needing to have the capacity to quickly upscale the contract tracing and testing:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ireland-needs-to-rapidly-upscale-before-second-wave-committee-to-hear-1.4288166

There were major gaps in that system when it was previously rolled out so the need to refine and improve it is also obvious.

Is this first line some sort of joke? Not a single person on here has an issue with posting statistics. I do it regularly about testing, cases rising and cases falling. What is unacceptable is this constant “strap in”, “this is out of control”, “we’re all doomed” ****e that spreads on here like wildfire.
If ye put as much attention ye put into other countries COVID issues into children dying in Yemen and civil war in Sudan the world would be a much better feckin place.

ACitizenErased · 25-06-2020 11:26AM

Some of ye have a lot of reality to hit if ye think COVID is the worst thing to happen the world. There’s a lot worse going on.

Boggles · 25-06-2020 11:27AM

Deleted User wrote: »

A requirement for National Lockdown in the manner of March to May will mean there has been a monumental failure of the systems we are putting in place to deal with this.

I wasn't talking about a national lockdown for 12 weeks, I was talking about national restrictions, something you stated as fact wouldn't happen.

It's not a fact, it's an aspiration.

Deleted User wrote: »

We know now what impacts different measures have and also hhave testing and tracing that we did not have in March. Latent reticence in people will hold the R0 lower than it was in march no matter how much we officially open up also. We should be aiming to manage this going forward like Taiwan or Korea, targeted measures with testing and tracing.

My local team should be aiming to play like Real Madrid, but you know ability, etc.

Boggles · 25-06-2020 11:27AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Some of ye have a lot of reality to hit if ye think COVID is the worst thing to happen the world. There’s a lot worse going on.

Liverpool winning the league?

I agree.

Dr. Bre · 25-06-2020 11:35AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Some of ye have a lot of reality to hit if ye think COVID is the worst thing to happen the world. There’s a lot worse going on.

A lot of people starving in Yemen

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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