Madeleine McCann

Plumbthedepths · 24-06-2020 11:17AM

CityMan2020 wrote: »

Everything is there in the files . People seem to want an abduction for some reason . Or just love a mystery . When in fact, its right there in front of them what happened .

Yeah but if you don't see an abduction then you are by default a McCann hater/ conspiracy theorist/ unreasonable person etc etc.

Banana Republic. · 24-06-2020 11:26AM

CityMan2020 wrote: »

Madeline was last noted to be in her apartment with her mother Kate .

She was never seen alive outside of the apartment afterwards

The cadaver dog alerted there was a dead body in that apartment . It also alerted to the sofa (same place the other dog alerted blood) the wardrobe in Kate and Gerrys room, Kates clothes and one of the twins clothes. They also alerted to Madelines cuddly toy.

The were also brought to a underground car park . There was 10 cars . They alerted to the McCanns rental vehicle . The boot and the door .

Come on now guys.

But yeah lets keep going with this German guy and random vanishing into thin air.

Then we can have suspicions of the mother Kate as she’s the last person noted to be with Madeline that’s just normal criminal investigation thought process. Unless someone is in the Tapas 7 here then nobody else knows unless they’ve inside info from the police forces. It’s not Anti Mc Cann to be suspicious of the parents.

CityMan2020 · 24-06-2020 11:29AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yeah but if you don't see an abduction then you are by default a McCann hater/ conspiracy theorist/ unreasonable person etc etc.

I have no idea how people think she was taken from the apt by a stranger . There is no evidence whatsoever of that happening

The only evidence we have is from highly trained dogs. That there was a dead body in that room . Behind the sofa , in a wardrobe , on Kates clothes, one of the twins clothes and in the boot of the McCanns rental vehicle

It took 41 mins for them to ring the Police. Kate/Gerry and the other Tapas 7 didn't look for Madeline when she was gone. Kate sat on the bed. Gerry was ringing people telling them a pedophile gang took her. No searching. The next day there was jogging while random strangers looked for their child.

Why? They knew she was already dead

Banana Republic. · 24-06-2020 11:32AM

CityMan2020 wrote: »

I have no idea how people think she was taken from the apt by a stranger . There is no evidence whatsoever of that happening

The only evidence we have is from highly trained dogs. That there was a dead body in that room . Behind the sofa , in a wardrobe , on Kates clothes, one of the twins clothes and in the boot of the McCanns rental vehicle

It took 41 mins for them to ring the Police. Kate/Gerry and the other Tapas 7 didn't look for Madeline when she was gone. Kate sat on the bed. Gerry was ringing people telling them a pedophile gang took her. No searching. The next day there was jogging while random strangers looked for their child.

Why? They knew she was already dead

If there was no searching that’s highly suspicious but the main one for me was they were out jogging the next day while their child was missing that’s just not normal in any way at all. To me if that story here is true then it ties with CB having to do a horrible job, maybe he was in it with them if they did do it. 41 mins without ringing the police or searching, that’s highly highly suspicious.

CityMan2020 · 24-06-2020 11:37AM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

If there was no searching that’s highly suspicious but the main one for me was they were out jogging the next day while their child was missing that’s just not normal in any way at all. To me if that story here is true then it ties with CB having to do a horrible job, maybe he was in it with them if they did do it. 41 mins without ringing the police or searching, that’s highly highly suspicious.

The whole family were also in the pool in the days following. The knew she was dead. No point looking. Leave that to the other mugs

tobefrank321 · 24-06-2020 11:42AM

While I have no time for the McCann parents and think their actions were no different to someone leaving their kids in an unlocked car with the keys in the ignition while they did their weekly shopping or went to the pub for a few drinks, I think the Portuguese police were hopeless, with no interest in investigating this. They either thought the McCanns did it or else didn't want to publicise the case too much for fear of impacting tourism which is probably the number one industry in the area. Its just negligence all around, parents and police. Since then you've had the usual types of dodgy characters who try to piggy back on cases like this, in the interests of making money or a name for themselves. Hard to take any of them seriously.

Banana Republic. · 24-06-2020 11:44AM

CityMan2020 wrote: »

The whole family were also in the pool in the days following. The knew she was dead. No point looking. Leave that to the other mugs

Doesn’t sound like much but its either to try Male life normal for the kids but how could they and not ask where Madeline was. Nothing sounds normal.

CityMan2020 · 24-06-2020 11:48AM

The McCanns wanted the police to use psychics to try find Madeline

When they were in Police custody and shown the videos of the dogs they immediately brushed it off as unreliable.

Couldn't make their nonsense up

OwlsZat · 24-06-2020 12:16PM

CityMan2020 wrote: »

The McCanns wanted the police to use psychics to try find Madeline

When they were in Police custody and shown the videos of the dogs they immediately brushed it off as unreliable.

Couldn't make their nonsense up

They were being coached from very early on. That much is obvious. Anyone who goes into an interview and declines to answer any question is worried for implicating themselves. Although I would say the PG doesn't have a great reputation either which I'd bear that in mind. They have a goal of making Portugal appear safe.

Plumbthedepths · 24-06-2020 12:20PM

CityMan2020 wrote: »

The McCanns wanted the police to use psychics to try find Madeline

When they were in Police custody and shown the videos of the dogs they immediately brushed it off as unreliable.

Couldn't make their nonsense up

Kate sought to dismiss and discredit the dogs whenever she got the opportunity.

Here's a piece highlighting what I said.

http://www.cadaverdog.net/gerry-and-kates-reaction-to-sniffer-dogs-hitting-on-mccann-holiday-apartment-and-rental-car-didnt-make-sense/

Banana Republic. · 24-06-2020 12:24PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Kate sought to dismiss and discredit the dogs whenever she got the opportunity.

Here's a piece highlighting what I said.

http://www.cadaverdog.net/gerry-and-kates-reaction-to-sniffer-dogs-hitting-on-mccann-holiday-apartment-and-rental-car-didnt-make-sense/

She’s not qualified to discredit any dogs and they were defo coached from the start, how you can’t answer any questions to try find your daughter is crazy. Anyone downplaying that is in a huge denial, it’s hard to come to that conclusion as a parent but the suspicions are knee deep in this.

OwlsZat · 24-06-2020 12:45PM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

She’s not qualified to discredit any dogs and they were defo coached from the start, how you can’t answer any questions to try find your daughter is crazy. Anyone downplaying that is in a huge denial, it’s hard to come to that conclusion as a parent but the suspicions are knee deep in this.

Refusal to answer questions could have been for one of three reasons. 1. Worried for child services taking their other children due to negligence. 2. Loosing their licences as medical practitioners due to irresponsible use of medications. 3. They were involved in the cover up of Madelines death. It's also possible that it's for all three reasons.

Happy to have read that the German prosecutors are approaching the case from the very start. They won't be operating under any restrictions like Operation Grange.

Plumbthedepths · 24-06-2020 01:03PM

OwlsZat wrote: »

Happy to have read that the German prosecutors are approaching the case from the very start. They won't be operating under any restrictions like Operation Grange.

There was interference in the UK Police investigation, certain avenues were off limits.

Banana Republic. · 24-06-2020 01:21PM

OwlsZat wrote: »

Refusal to answer questions could have been for one of three reasons. 1. Worried for child services taking their other children due to negligence. 2. Loosing their licences as medical practitioners due to irresponsible use of medications. 3. They were involved in the cover up of Madelines death. It's also possible that it's for all three reasons.

Happy to have read that the German prosecutors are approaching the case from the very start. They won't be operating under any restrictions like Operation Grange.

That’s a plus all round, how an operation can have restrictions in an unsolved case is crazy. Doesn’t help the suspicious minds.

Plumbthedepths · 24-06-2020 01:46PM

I thought I would add a link I already posted on this thread about the closed avenues of investigation.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4467832/Met-interested-proving-McCann-parents-innocent.html

dark crystal · 24-06-2020 01:49PM

CityMan2020 wrote: »

It took 41 mins for them to ring the Police. Kate/Gerry and the other Tapas 7 didn't look for Madeline when she was gone. Kate sat on the bed. Gerry was ringing people telling them a pedophile gang took her. No searching. The next day there was jogging while random strangers looked for their child.

Why? They knew she was already dead

Just a few rebuttals of the facts here, as there's a lot of fiction in this post and some people seem to be swallowing it wholesale!

At 10.10pm, 10 minutes after discovering Madeleine was missing, Matthew Oldfield ran to the reception desk to ask them to call the police and at 10.30pm, the resort began their missing child search protocol. No idea where you got 41 minutes from!

Gerry and many others were searching for Madeleine that night and the next morning.

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077768/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2018

David said 'Let's just check the apartment.' I'd done that....I ran out into the car park, flying from end to end, yelling desperately 'Madeleine, Madeleine!' It was so cold and windy....Fear was shearing through my body...

Gerry, David, Russell and Matt split into pairs and dashed around the adjacent apartment blocks.

Just after ten past ten, Gerry asked Matt to run to the Ocean Club's twenty-four-hour reception to get the staff to call the police... By this time the Mark Warner people had rounded up as many of their colleagues as they could, off-duty staff as well as those just finishing their shifts, rousing some of them from their beds. Close to ten-thirty they activated the company's 'missing child search protocol' and mobilised people to comb the complex and its environs., At 10.35pm the police had still not arrived, so Gerry asked Matt if he would go back to the twenty-four-hour reception and find out what was happening. John Hill, the Mark Warner resort manager came up to the veranda behind our apartment. I remember screaming at him to do something. 'Where are the police?' I yelled at him. He tried to reassure me they'd be with us soon, but I could tell that he, too was finding the waiting difficult. Minutes felt like hours...

Gerry had been over to the Mini Club above the twenty-four-hour reception thinking that if Madeleine had been left somewhere, she might make her way back to any place that was familiar to her...

Gerry meanwhile was running from pillar to post, urging me to remain in the apartment with the twins so that I'd be on hand if Madeleine was found and brought back there...

On my insistence, Gerry and Dave went out again to look for some sign of Madeleine. They went up and down the beach in the dark, running, shouting...

I walked briskly up and down Rua dr Agostinho da Silva, sometimes breaking into a jog, clinging to the hope that I'd spot something in the dark...

GNR officer Paolo Fernandez also confirms they were searching the streets the next morning, not jogging. searching for their daughter. If you could provide a link that proves they were jogging, I'd love to see it.

Edit:Just noticed this poster is banned, so I guess I won't get a response.

dark crystal · 24-06-2020 01:55PM

OwlsZat wrote: »

Refusal to answer questions could have been for one of three reasons. 1. Worried for child services taking their other children due to negligence. 2. Loosing their licences as medical practitioners due to irresponsible use of medications. 3. They were involved in the cover up of Madelines death. It's also possible that it's for all three reasons.

They answered many questions for many hours before they were made aguidas. They refused to answer questions after they were made aguidas on the advice of their lawyer,as is their right. So there's your fourth truthful reason.

If the police were trying to pin a crime on me, you're damn straight I'd take my lawyers advice and keep schtum. As we learned later from another missing child case, the Portuguese police weren't averse to playing dirty to get the confessions they wanted...

OwlsZat · 24-06-2020 02:03PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Just a few rebuttals of the facts here, as there's a lot of fiction in this post and some people seem to be swallowing it wholesale!

At 10.10pm, 10 minutes after discovering Madeleine was missing, Matthew Oldfield ran to the reception desk to ask them to call the police and at 10.30pm, the resort began their missing child search protocol. No idea where you got 41 minutes from!

Gerry and many others were searching for Madeleine that night and the next morning.

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077768/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2018

GNR officer Paolo Fernandez also confirms they were searching the streets the next morning, not jogging. searching for their daughter. If you could provide a link that proves they were jogging, I'd love to see it.

Edit:Just noticed this poster is banned, so I guess I won't get a response.

Kate McCann: I mean I did. I mean, we’d been working really hard really apart from the first 48 hours as Gerry says were incredibly difficult and we were almost non-functioning I’d say.

Thanks for the link Dark. You really cleared that up. Can you imagine talking about non-functioning while thinking your child is missing and expecting people to swallow it up.

OwlsZat · 24-06-2020 02:04PM

dark crystal wrote: »

They refused to answer questions after they were made aguidas on the advice of their lawyer

Why do you think they would be advised not to answer ANY question?

Spanish Eyes · 24-06-2020 02:30PM

Often thought about the big dumpster bins that are prevalent in Portugal and Spain. Lift the lid with the foot pedal, and anything can go in there. The trucks collect every night I think.

Could the little child have been disposed of in there? By anyone, not necessarily the parents, but they are not absolved either.

Now before the usual posters try to provoke me, it is as good a theory as anything else. Unless someone knows that the bins were checked prior to pick up. If so, fair enough. Sorry if it sounds bizarre, but everything about this case is really bizarre anyway.

Day Lewin · 24-06-2020 02:51PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Often thought about the big dumpster bins that are prevalent in Portugal and Spain. Lift the lid with the foot pedal, and anything can go in there. The trucks collect every night I think.

Could the little child have been disposed of in there? By anyone, not necessarily the parents, but they are not absolved either.

Now before the usual posters try to provoke me, it is as good a theory as anything else. Unless someone knows that the bins were checked prior to pick up. If so, fair enough. Sorry if it sounds bizarre, but everything about this case is really bizarre anyway.

No, indeed - it is not a foolish theory at all, in my opinion.

This is mystery as well as a tragedy, and so few facts are known.

The child is missing, and no body has been found. Therefore, any means of disposing of a small body must be examined. The bins is a good idea, a perfectly good theory:
I'd imagine that any police force worth a light must check in bins as a matter of course, but we don't KNOW that they did. And an early collection might have already gone before anyone thought of looking there.

Plumbthedepths · 24-06-2020 02:57PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Often thought about the big dumpster bins that are prevalent in Portugal and Spain. Lift the lid with the foot pedal, and anything can go in there. The trucks collect every night I think.

Could the little child have been disposed of in there? By anyone, not necessarily the parents, but they are not absolved either.

Now before the usual posters try to provoke me, it is as good a theory as anything else. Unless someone knows that the bins were checked prior to pick up. If so, fair enough. Sorry if it sounds bizarre, but everything about this case is really bizarre anyway.

In response to your query about the bins I thought this piece might answer a few questions.

https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/body-disposal-the-wheelie-bins-prosecution-case/

dark crystal · 24-06-2020 02:57PM

OwlsZat wrote: »

Kate McCann: I mean I did. I mean, we’d been working really hard really apart from the first 48 hours as Gerry says were incredibly difficult and we were almost non-functioning I’d say.

Thanks for the link Dark. You really cleared that up. Can you imagine talking about non-functioning while thinking your child is missing and expecting people to swallow it up.

Wait a second...you're criticising them for being non-functioning whilst dealing with a missing child? My mind wouldn't be functioning properly either I suspect. I'd be all over the place. Sure, they can't win really - criticised for non functioning, then criticised for being so calculating, they managed to cover up manslaughter for 13 years!

How does this negate any of my points rebutting the former poster's points? Was the police officer lying when he says they were searching?

Baggly · 24-06-2020 03:49PM

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Day Lewin · 24-06-2020 04:59PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

In response to your query about the bins I thought this piece might answer a few questions.

https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/body-disposal-the-wheelie-bins-prosecution-case/

Very clear, and interesting.

This means that if there was a body being disposed of, it may very well have been placed in a bin and must now be lying in some landfill, and probably never be found.

And this actually looks like a realistic theory. Very possible.

And also, almost anyone in Praia Da Luz could have done it!

And would explain, too, why there hasn't been a scrap of concrete evidence from that day to this, barring a few "sightings".

Well, until these Germans burst out of the woodwork very recently, with their claim of "evidence" but only a few hints as to what it may actually BE.

TheW1zard · 24-06-2020 08:59PM

Day Lewin wrote: »

Very clear, and interesting.

This means that if there was a body being disposed of, it may very well have been placed in a bin and must now be lying in some landfill, and probably never be found.

And this actually looks like a realistic theory. Very possible.

And also, almost anyone in Praia Da Luz could have done it!

And would explain, too, why there hasn't been a scrap of concrete evidence from that day to this, barring a few "sightings".

Well, until these Germans burst out of the woodwork very recently, with their claim of "evidence" but only a few hints as to what it may actually BE.

Maybe tanner saw gerry after all. Then in the same few minutes the person who came forward collects their daughter. Meanwhile gerry is chucking the girl in the bin and back to the table for some more vino.

happyoutscan · 24-06-2020 09:05PM

TheW1zard wrote: »

Maybe tanner saw gerry after all. Then in the same few minutes the person who came forward collects their daughter. Meanwhile gerry is chucking the girl in the bin and back to the table for some more vino.

Where was the bin?

Spanish Eyes · 24-06-2020 09:11PM

TheW1zard wrote: »

Maybe tanner saw gerry after all. Then in the same few minutes the person who came forward collects their daughter. Meanwhile gerry is chucking the girl in the bin and back to the table for some more vino.

I'd be thinking more of the distaff side myself. You know the way they usually clean the place and chuck the rubbish so they know where it goes. Sorry to come across sexist here, but the reality is mostly true in that regard.

The other side fix the electrics, change the bulbs, go play tennis etc.

Spanish Eyes · 24-06-2020 09:14PM

happyoutscan wrote: »

Where was the bin?

Google maps is your friend here. Do a little walk around courtesy of the the little yellow figure. Bins are very close anyway.

happyoutscan · 24-06-2020 09:58PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Google maps is your friend here. Do a little walk around courtesy of the the little yellow figure. Bins are very close anyway.

Are the images current or from 2007?

How close is very close?

Are they on the street? If so where? Distance from 'resort'? Open or bin chute style?

Underground carpark? Communal or individual?Locked or unlocked?

Collection schedule?

I could go ****ing on and on.

What ****ing nonsense.

Madeleine McCann

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