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Golf Lockdown Discussion ** No discussion of breaking Restrictions **

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  • #212
    blue note
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,724 ✭✭✭blue note


    willabur wrote: »
    the problem is alot of the time is it just takes a few ignorant lads to goose it all up.
    I put my name down on timesheet in my place last week. There were 3 other names on the sheet that I didn't know. When I arrived to the tee box two of them were there but told me they didn't want to play with me (or the other guy) that they were in a hurry to finish and get to work. They were prickish about it aswell.
    Said I'd leave them at it, last thing I wanted was to spend 4 hours in the company of a pair of assholes. Turns out the 4th fella was a gent and we had a great time together. But all the way around we were stuck behind the two boys. They searched for balls on every hole, kept leaving bags in the wrong place - at one stage they had a confrontation with another group over right of way on the course.

    It's so selfish when 2 people effectively want the 4 slots on the line so they can play in their group of 2. I'm convinced that lots of groups in our club book a whole line for this reason. I was off work for a while and looking to play midweek a few times, but the timesheet would be full, or I'd be stuck on my own sticking my name down (and not get to play in the comp and be stuck behind fourballs). But in reality you can be sure there were only people for about 75% of the bookings. There were some days where there were 120 slots on the timesheet for an open comp all taken, then if the weather was good you'd have about 90 cards returned. If the weather wasn't great fewer again. And if the weather was really bad I wouldn't blame people too much to be fair.

    I've also had a pair tell me that they're going to go on ahead because they want to get to work for the afternoon. I joined in with a group a little later. And just last week my brother in law and I were about 10 minutes late teeing off and the pair we were supposed to be playing with didn't show. A pair did however tee off 2 groups before us. Making the group in front of us late teeing off. There were no groups of 2 on the timesheet. I would put money on the two that we were supposed to be playing with deciding to just sneak out early to be on their own. Then the result was we were 10 minutes late teeing off and waiting for every shot because we were out in a two ball behind a full timesheet of fourballs.

    Some people just have no consideration for others.


  • #213
    mike12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭mike12


    There are 2 correct ways to call people thru.
    Ether on a par 3 you tee off get to the green let the next tee off chip on and mark your balls as they are walking up.
    Finish off your putts after they leave the green.

    Second way on a par 4 tee off get to your balls, let the second group tee off hit your approach to the green while they are walking up that way u have cleared the fairway and are right behind the group and not delaying the group behind.

    Obviously if you are looking for balls or heading back to the tee to hit a second it's easy.

    I thinking telling them to speed up works wonders most of the time.

    On the 2 guys that held u up after telling u they didn't want to play with u I would have rung the clubhouse to complain and then asked someone to come out and speed them up.

    There is a difference between pace of play and 1 group holding up the whole show.
    Just keep up with the group ahead its simple enough


  • #214
    Seve OB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,269 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    willabur wrote: »
    the problem is alot of the time is it just takes a few ignorant lads to goose it all up.
    I put my name down on timesheet in my place last week. There were 3 other names on the sheet that I didn't know. When I arrived to the tee box two of them were there but told me they didn't want to play with me (or the other guy) that they were in a hurry to finish and get to work. They were prickish about it aswell.
    Said I'd leave them at it, last thing I wanted was to spend 4 hours in the company of a pair of assholes. Turns out the 4th fella was a gent and we had a great time together. But all the way around we were stuck behind the two boys. They searched for balls on every hole, kept leaving bags in the wrong place - at one stage they had a confrontation with another group over right of way on the course.

    You made one mistake. You should have told them that you were on the sheet at the specified time. If they didn’t want to play with you, they can go out after you.


    I can’t believe the attitude of some golfers, really stinks and that’s not the way this game should be played.

    There was a few Small groups this morning in castleknock and a good few no shows apparently. One early group was a 2 ball had a laSt minute drop out, group behind was a 4 ball and there was a few empty spots behind them. The 4 ball refused to split and accommodate the single golfer....... he went home upset he couldn’t play. Now I don’t understand this because it not a competition and he could have played alone, but I guess some people just Don’t like playing alone.

    Then another group had a no show, lady hung around for about 30 mins till I showed as there was only 2 on my line. I didn’t know the other lad, walked to the tee with the lady, waited 10 minutes after appointed time and still no sign of the other golfer.


  • #215
    slingerz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,299 ✭✭✭slingerz


    blue note wrote: »
    It's so selfish when 2 people effectively want the 4 slots on the line so they can play in their group of 2. I'm convinced that lots of groups in our club book a whole line for this reason. I was off work for a while and looking to play midweek a few times, but the timesheet would be full, or I'd be stuck on my own sticking my name down (and not get to play in the comp and be stuck behind fourballs). But in reality you can be sure there were only people for about 75% of the bookings. There were some days where there were 120 slots on the timesheet for an open comp all taken, then if the weather was good you'd have about 90 cards returned. If the weather wasn't great fewer again. And if the weather was really bad I wouldn't blame people too much to be fair.

    I've also had a pair tell me that they're going to go on ahead because they want to get to work for the afternoon. I joined in with a group a little later. And just last week my brother in law and I were about 10 minutes late teeing off and the pair we were supposed to be playing with didn't show. A pair did however tee off 2 groups before us. Making the group in front of us late teeing off. There were no groups of 2 on the timesheet. I would put money on the two that we were supposed to be playing with deciding to just sneak out early to be on their own. Then the result was we were 10 minutes late teeing off and waiting for every shot because we were out in a two ball behind a full timesheet of fourballs.

    Some people just have no consideration for others.

    I’ve seen similar at ours. But lads book in ‘guest’ with them to fill the 4 slots.

    I think it is the height of ignorance especially given the current situation and the pressures on timesheets


  • #216
    Golf is my Game
    Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭Golf is my Game


    The only time its worth calling through, even if there is a gap opening up infront of the slow group, is if there is also a gap behind the group about to be let through. So that the slow lads have space to apsorb back to the next group back rather than already be holding up another group. With a full packed time sheet, (especially with 8 or 9 min gaps), then there no point. Its effectively asking the slow lads to stand back until the whole field plays true and there a gap for the slow group at the back. Which is unfair on them. There entitled to there game to, even if some lads would ideally like to push on quicker. Some lads bitch about not being let true. But they should look behind themselves first to see if thats reasonable. Its theres loads of groups backed up, then sorry, but playing true isnt an realistic option. If your out on your own on a quiet course, then sure, they should let you go and carry on at their own pace.


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  • #217
    Seve OB
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    Golf is my Game wrote: »
    The only time its worth calling through, even if there is a gap opening up infront of the slow group, is if there is also a gap behind the group about to be let through. So that the slow lads have space to apsorb back to the next group back rather than already be holding up another group. With a full packed time sheet, (especially with 8 or 9 min gaps), then there no point. Its effectively asking the slow lads to stand back until the whole field plays true and there a gap for the slow group at the back. Which is unfair on them. There entitled to there game to, even if some lads would ideally like to push on quicker. Some lads bitch about not being let true. But they should look behind themselves first to see if thats reasonable. Its theres loads of groups backed up, then sorry, but playing true isnt an realistic option. If your out on your own on a quiet course, then sure, they should let you go and carry on at their own pace.


    I guess you are part of the problem so


  • #218
    blue note
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    Seve OB wrote: »
    I guess you are part of the problem so

    How? He says nothing to indicate he's slow. I still can't understand how calling groups through causes no delay to the people behind. The way Mike12 describes is the way I think causes the least delay, but it still causes a bit. GreeBos method would cause bigger delays. But if a group is slow, I can see no way that they can call groups through, rejoin and not slow everyone down as they do.

    So I think he's right. On a day where it's choc a block, they're doing more harm than good calling groups through.


  • #219
    Seve OB
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    blue note wrote: »
    How? He says nothing to indicate he's slow.

    what he says is that if you loose ground on the group in front, you shouldn't call the group behind if there is more groups behind them!


  • #220
    blue note
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    Seve OB wrote: »
    what he says is that if you loose ground on the group in front, you shouldn't call the group behind if there is more groups behind them!

    I agree with him. Too many times I've ended up on a tee box with the group in front or behind me waiting for everyone to get going again. Because the group at the front decided to call the group behind trough and we all have to wait while they rejoin play.

    My experience is that it doesn't work. And thinking it through I can't see how it will work. And when I ask people how it will work they can't explain it. It's just a common misconception that's drilled into us from an early age. But on the busy days it doesn't work.


  • #221
    DuckSlice
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    We are defo back now that the slow play posts have kicked off :)


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  • #222
    Seve OB
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    etxp wrote: »
    We are defo back now that the slow play posts have kicked off :)

    3hour round today for me :D... well 3hr and 2 minutes!


  • #223
    moycullen14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 920 ✭✭✭moycullen14


    Seve OB wrote: »
    You made one mistake. You should have told them that you were on the sheet at the specified time. If they didn’t want to play with you, they can go out after you.


    I can’t believe the attitude of some golfers, really stinks and that’s not the way this game should be played.

    There was a few Small groups this morning in castleknock and a good few no shows apparently. One early group was a 2 ball had a laSt minute drop out, group behind was a 4 ball and there was a few empty spots behind them. The 4 ball refused to split and accommodate the single golfer....... he went home upset he couldn’t play. Now I don’t understand this because it not a competition and he could have played alone, but I guess some people just Don’t like playing alone.

    Then another group had a no show, lady hung around for about 30 mins till I showed as there was only 2 on my line. I didn’t know the other lad, walked to the tee with the lady, waited 10 minutes after appointed time and still no sign of the other golfer.

    That is really bad. You never, ever refuse to play with someone, especially a fellow member. We would always split up/reorganise to accommodate people who are stuck, it's just what you do.

    The mind boggles as to what these 'couples' are up to that they don't want company (witnesses?).


  • #224
    slingerz
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    moycullen14 wrote: »
    That is really bad. You never, ever refuse to play with someone, especially a fellow member. We would always split up/reorganise to accommodate people who are stuck, it's just what you do.

    The mind boggles as to what these 'couples' are up to that they don't want company (witnesses?).

    This reminds me, I was down to play with a buddy when a gent asked if he could join us. We said of course. Turns out he was on the time sheet earlier but the pair he was down with said they only wanted to play 9 and were in a rush.

    I’ve no idea if they walked off after 9 or not but I thought it was rude of them to leave this man on his own


  • #225
    Golf is my Game
    Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭Golf is my Game


    Seve OB wrote: »
    what he says is that if you loose ground on the group in front, you shouldn't call the group behind if there is more groups behind them!

    Well where do you expect the slow group to fit in when there isn't a gap.

    And I am by no means slow by the way no need for that.


  • #226
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,924 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Golf is my Game wrote: »
    The only time its worth calling through, even if there is a gap opening up infront of the slow group, is if there is also a gap behind the group about to be let through. So that the slow lads have space to apsorb back to the next group back rather than already be holding up another group. With a full packed time sheet, (especially with 8 or 9 min gaps), then there no point. Its effectively asking the slow lads to stand back until the whole field plays true and there a gap for the slow group at the back. Which is unfair on them. There entitled to there game to, even if some lads would ideally like to push on quicker. Some lads bitch about not being let true. But they should look behind themselves first to see if thats reasonable. Its theres loads of groups backed up, then sorry, but playing true isnt an realistic option. If your out on your own on a quiet course, then sure, they should let you go and carry on at their own pace.

    This attitude sickens me, an absolute blight on the game.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • #227
    youcancallmeal
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    What really bugs me is groups who don't wait for their tee time and instead tee off as soon as my group is out of range off the first tee. It happened to me a couple of times in medals last year, then course marshal would inevitably come over telling us to speed up as the gap between us and the group in front was too much and the group behind was being held up. Since then any medal group I've been part of I insist we do the same and tee off once group in front is out of range. It's a vicious circle but it drives me nuts being told to speed up when I know were are playing at a good pace


  • #228
    DuckSlice
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    Seve OB wrote: »
    3hour round today for me :D... well 3hr and 2 minutes!

    4 ball was 3.5 hours for me last Friday. the week before it was 4.5!! but the course was clear so didn't hold anyone up.

    Its great to get out early and have the golf finished by 11ish.


  • #229
    HighLine
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    youcancallmeal wrote: »
    What really bugs me is groups who don't wait for their tee time and instead tee off as soon as my group is out of range off the first tee. It happened to me a couple of times in medals last year, then course marshal would inevitably come over telling us to speed up as the gap between us and the group in front was too much and the group behind was being held up. Since then any medal group I've been part of I insist we do the same and tee off once group in front is out of range. It's a vicious circle but it drives me nuts being told to speed up when I know were are playing at a good pace

    It might be an annoyance to you but more importantly... it's a breach of the rules of golf.

    If you tee off up to 5 minutes before your teetime, it is a 2 stroke penalty. If it is any more than 5 minutes, it's disqualification.


  • #230
    bamayang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭bamayang


    A few friends of mine started playing this year, great to have a few people to regularly play with. They're decent players, but veryslow. 3 or 4 practise swings, or marking and checking putts even after they have scratched the hole. Or worse is stopping to tell a story before teeing off, it drives me mad. Not sure how best to say it to someone, to hurry the round up?


  • #231
    blue note
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    HighLine wrote: »
    It might be an annoyance to you but more importantly... it's a breach of the rules of golf.

    If you tee off up to 5 minutes before your teetime, it is a 2 stroke penalty. If it is any more than 5 minutes, it's disqualification.

    I did not know that. What if you swap times with another group because one of theirs is running late and your group is ready to go?


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  • #232
    First Up
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    bamayang wrote:
    A few friends of mine started playing this year, great to have a few people to regularly play with. They're decent players, but veryslow. 3 or 4 practise swings, or marking and checking putts even after they have scratched the hole. Or worse is stopping to tell a story before teeing off, it drives me mad. Not sure how best to say it to someone, to hurry the round up?

    If your group is holding up the group behind, you point it out and say we need to speed up.


  • #233
    First Up
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    First Up wrote:
    If your group is holding up the group behind, you point it out and say we need to speed up.


    And the same if you are losing ground on the group in front


  • #234
    HighLine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭HighLine


    blue note wrote: »
    I did not know that. What if you swap times with another group because one of theirs is running late and your group is ready to go?

    You would have to get a committee approval.

    I'll quote the general rule for starting times below if anyone is interested in reading it.
    5.3
    Starting and Ending Round
    a
    When to Start Round
    A player’s round starts when the player makes a stroke to start his or her first hole (see Rule 6.1a).

    The player must start at (and not before) his or her starting time:

    This means that the player must be ready to play at the starting time and starting point set by the Committee.
    A starting time set by the Committee is treated as an exact time (for example, 9 am means 9:00:00 am, not any time until 9:01 am).
    If the starting time is delayed for any reason (such as weather, slow play of other groups or the need for a ruling by a referee), there is no breach of this Rule if the player is present and ready to play when the player’s group is able to start.

    Penalty for Breach of Rule 5.3a: Disqualification, except in these three cases:

    Exception 1 – Player Arrives at Starting Point, Ready to Play, No More Than Five Minutes Late: The player gets the general penalty applied to his or her first hole.
    Exception 2 – Player Starts No More Than Five Minutes Early: The player gets the general penalty applied to his or her first hole.
    Exception 3 – Committee Decides that Exceptional Circumstances Prevented Player from Starting on Time: There is no breach of this Rule and no penalty.


  • #235
    mike12
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    The funny thing about golf is taking your time and over thinking it doesn't lead to better golf.
    If u are focused when u arrive at your ball it's a simple process to get ready to hit.

    Every course should have a standard time to play and every golfer should be responsible enough to adhere to that time.

    If it means walking really fast for a couple of holes to get back on pace so be it.

    I'm a fast player, it doesn't bother me at all if the course is slow, it really bothers me if a group are slow and make no effort to catch up.
    In our club u ring the shop and they send someone out seems to do the trick every time.


  • #236
    DuckSlice
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    HighLine wrote: »
    You would have to get a committee approval.

    I'll quote the general rule for starting times below if anyone is interested in reading it.

    I wonder how many clubs actually abide to this rule? I think you would need a starter to be able to enforce this?

    Or is it up to the people in the group to let the offender know?


  • #237
    Rushden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Rushden


    slingerz wrote: »
    This reminds me, I was down to play with a buddy when a gent asked if he could join us. We said of course. Turns out he was on the time sheet earlier but the pair he was down with said they only wanted to play 9 and were in a rush.

    I’ve no idea if they walked off after 9 or not but I thought it was rude of them to leave this man on his own

    Myself and one of the lads I play with regularly would play 9/12 quite regularly. If a third player adds himself to the sheet are we expected to play the full 18...?


  • #238
    HighLine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭HighLine


    etxp wrote: »
    I wonder how many clubs actually abide to this rule? I think you would need a starter to be able to enforce this?

    Or is it up to the people in the group to let the offender know?

    Very few I would imagine. Late arrivers I have seen disqualified but I have never seen anyone called up on going out before their teetime.


  • #239
    blue note
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    etxp wrote: »
    I wonder how many clubs actually abide to this rule? I think you would need a starter to be able to enforce this?

    Or is it up to the people in the group to let the offender know?

    I'd say no clubs abide by it. If someone is running late and others are ready to go it's a win win to switch times. Sometimes you'll have people switch groups on the day for whatever reason. By the sounds of it you'd need committee approval for that?

    I'd you tried to apply that rule rigidly you'd need a committee member at the first tee all morning to okay the switches or else you'll end up with people not getting to play. No-one wins then.


  • #240
    Seve OB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,269 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    etxp wrote: »
    I wonder how many clubs actually abide to this rule? I think you would need a starter to be able to enforce this?

    Or is it up to the people in the group to let the offender know?

    yea its an interesting one. im nearly always only getting to the course just in time for my tee time never to early. like to have a few putts and maybe swing into he net a little.

    sometimes there is nobody in front of you, your playing partners up on the box calling you. i generally let them wait, i'm not ready!

    but sometimes you do get told by the proshop that the tee is free and to work away. would that constitute as being a breach or is it ok?


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  • #241
    Seve OB
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    Rushden wrote: »
    Myself and one of the lads I play with regularly would play 9/12 quite regularly. If a third player adds himself to the sheet are we expected to play the full 18...?

    if you are entered into an 18 hole competition..... then yes, you are expected to play the full 18 and not leave someone stranded


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