Seve OB wrote: » I guess you are part of the problem so
Golf is my Game wrote: » The only time its worth calling through, even if there is a gap opening up infront of the slow group, is if there is also a gap behind the group about to be let through. So that the slow lads have space to apsorb back to the next group back rather than already be holding up another group. With a full packed time sheet, (especially with 8 or 9 min gaps), then there no point. Its effectively asking the slow lads to stand back until the whole field plays true and there a gap for the slow group at the back. Which is unfair on them. There entitled to there game to, even if some lads would ideally like to push on quicker. Some lads bitch about not being let true. But they should look behind themselves first to see if thats reasonable. Its theres loads of groups backed up, then sorry, but playing true isnt an realistic option. If your out on your own on a quiet course, then sure, they should let you go and carry on at their own pace.
blue note wrote: » It's so selfish when 2 people effectively want the 4 slots on the line so they can play in their group of 2. I'm convinced that lots of groups in our club book a whole line for this reason. I was off work for a while and looking to play midweek a few times, but the timesheet would be full, or I'd be stuck on my own sticking my name down (and not get to play in the comp and be stuck behind fourballs). But in reality you can be sure there were only people for about 75% of the bookings. There were some days where there were 120 slots on the timesheet for an open comp all taken, then if the weather was good you'd have about 90 cards returned. If the weather wasn't great fewer again. And if the weather was really bad I wouldn't blame people too much to be fair. I've also had a pair tell me that they're going to go on ahead because they want to get to work for the afternoon. I joined in with a group a little later. And just last week my brother in law and I were about 10 minutes late teeing off and the pair we were supposed to be playing with didn't show. A pair did however tee off 2 groups before us. Making the group in front of us late teeing off. There were no groups of 2 on the timesheet. I would put money on the two that we were supposed to be playing with deciding to just sneak out early to be on their own. Then the result was we were 10 minutes late teeing off and waiting for every shot because we were out in a two ball behind a full timesheet of fourballs. Some people just have no consideration for others.
willabur wrote: » the problem is alot of the time is it just takes a few ignorant lads to goose it all up. I put my name down on timesheet in my place last week. There were 3 other names on the sheet that I didn't know. When I arrived to the tee box two of them were there but told me they didn't want to play with me (or the other guy) that they were in a hurry to finish and get to work. They were prickish about it aswell. Said I'd leave them at it, last thing I wanted was to spend 4 hours in the company of a pair of assholes. Turns out the 4th fella was a gent and we had a great time together. But all the way around we were stuck behind the two boys. They searched for balls on every hole, kept leaving bags in the wrong place - at one stage they had a confrontation with another group over right of way on the course.
GreeBo wrote: » Wait until a par 4 or 5, hit your drives and start walking. As soon as the next group is on the tee, let them hit and stand out of the way The impact to you is minimal and by definition, you have just reset the gap behind you, so the group who are now behind you should be 8-9 mins behind.
blue note wrote: » I've played when older, bad golfers who were fast players. But I've also played when people who just aren't able to get about quickly any more. They're doing things right, but he body isn't able to walk as fast, bend down as quickly, take clubs out of the bag as quickly. Both types exist. Most people who are slow are slow because of their behaviour, not their bodies. But both exist. And bunching happens very quickly. It's all well and good saying in theory the next group should be 10 minutes behind, but in reality if a group is calling someone through the group immediately after them is probably right behind them.
blue note wrote: » And bunching happens very quickly. It's all well and good saying in theory the next group should be 10 minutes behind, but in reality if a group is calling someone through the group immediately after them is probably right behind them.
blue note wrote: » Put it this way, if you call 5 groups through, you might be adding 25 minutes to your round. And ultimately 25 minutes to all the groups a bit further back. And the fifth group you've called through will save time on their holes after you called them through, but will have lost 20 minutes waiting for you to rejoin the play after calling the first 4 groups through. It might not even benefit them that you called everyone through. And they might have been following the rule to do that. Roughly every three holes they've fallen behind the group in front and called the next group through. You could actually multiply it out and see how much time was saved letting groups through and how much time was lost with everyone waiting for you to rejoin. I would say very often calling groups through, particularly later in a round wastes more time than it saves. I think we should all remember that golfers come in all shapes and sizes and ages too. Some older members might not be able to move as fast, might take a few extra shots in the round, etc. Some people need to cop themselves on and hurry up, but some are perfectly considerate in their behaviour but just can't play faster than slow. I still want those guys in my club. On a quiet day it works fine. On a choc a block day if there's a group 10 slots in front of me calling groups through it's just adding time to my round. But on a busy day I don't think people really think of how much sense it makes. I think they are just familiar with the rule and think that if people would just follow it, it would improve things. I reckon it can often make the problem worse.
finglashoop wrote: » If they arent keeping up with the group ahead and lose a hole they should let the group behind through at that stage.In theory the next group aftershould be another 10 mins behind. When they dont everyone stacks up behind them and to let someone through at that stage is pointless. Ive played with older members who may move slowly but keep up with the group ahead. Ive also played badly and lost balls etc but would be letting someone you are holding up play through at the earliest opportunity
GreeBo wrote: » Then you call through the next group through aswell. Anytime there is daylight in front of you and someone behind you, you should call them through, even if that means calling through 3-4 groups. I've played behind groups that are have lost 2 holes after 5, but will refuse to let more than 1 group through, its shameful.
blue note wrote: » The thing i never understand about calling guys through speeding things up is this... On a Sunday comp where things are moving slow, essentially everyone is moving at the pace of the group in front. If that group is playing at a 4hr 30min round, so is everyone waiting behind them. If they call someone through, that's great for the group they call through. However, you'll always end up waiting a little when you call a group through, whatever way you do it. It'll add a few minutes to their round. And those few minutes will be added to the rounds of everyone who doesn't get called through. This is just relating to people playing slowly, not those looking for a ball not calling people through. And I also have a problem with some people's belief that the whole course should be playing at their speed golf pace. Slow play is unacceptable. But if the group ahead is moving along at a good pace then don't be trying to make them feel under pressure to hurry up.
finglashoop wrote: » The biggest hold up i can see is that the people doing the holding up dont let anyone through. I always wait for first green to be cleared before teeing off.
Seve OB wrote: » it favours everyone the same
almostover wrote: » I'm all for keeping up the pace of play but some lads at our club are more interested in what time they get around in rather than their scores. There's a group that somehow always end up being my Sunday morning 3 ball and they are lightning fast but are just bunting the ball around the place. No practice swings, reading of putts, lining up. Just step up and go. And then be up the *ss of the group in front. It's taking us 3hrs 5mins to play a 3 ball with 14 mins spacing and the lads are on top of us by the turn every time. Were not slow but we at least care where our shots go!
Golf is my Game wrote: » I think the longer gaps are a good thing as long as your club can take it. If you have too many members for that, then it will lead to lads getting bummed about not getting a slot. Golf has just slowed down, so with tighter gaps there is going to be bunching to the slowest on the course and lads giving about about being held up. Most I see bitching about it, are probably just about as slow themselves, but just not on this round. People going well, or trying some new move, or some nonsense gimmick like aimpoint or looking at putts by holding up the putter and **** will be slower. So the whinger might be moaning about being held up today because his score is a mes and he just wants to move on, but another day he would be the slow one and not give a **** about the rest backing up behind him. People immitating the pros and longer and more difficult course is the real cause of slow play. And its not going to change. Get used to it. Andthe bigger gaps makes it more pleasureable for all where in general, at least you keep moving as theirs minutes between the groups to concertina the field a little without having to wait on tees.
twounderpar wrote: » Are there any plans to reduce the 14 minute gap for fourballs back to the regular 9 minute interval.
FixdePitchmark wrote: » I know it is a global pandemic - nobody has anywhere to go - who cares and all that. But jaysus - lads have forgot how to get around a course as a 4 ball. Nightmare stuff. Maybe the general lack of urgency or care in society is seen in courses now. I know, I know - relax where have you got to go anyway. But for people who like and play golf - there should be a natural flow to the game. No one cares.
