Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

owlbethere · 22-06-2020 11:12AM

Hurrache wrote: »

Kids aren't the issue, adults are. I was behind one particular one in a queue recently who was paying by cash. She had a tenner rolled up in her hand and was rubbing it around her mouth.

For sure. I've seen some children adapt very easily to covering coughs and using their elbows. It's not children that will cause damage with the virus, it's adult. You don't see children being entitled to holidays abroad and other nonsense that adults gripe and moan about.

B.A._Baracus · 22-06-2020 11:25AM

So what is the likelihood of a second wave?
Seems South Korea are officially saving second wave for them.

seamus · 22-06-2020 11:34AM

Drumpot wrote: »

I’d be happy right now if there was mandatory mask wearing and mandatory app for contact tracing.

I'm not too pushed about the app. What seemed like a good idea at the time has become a complete shambles in practically all jurisdictions.
We seem to have managed to get our tracing into some kind of order in the absence of an app.

From what I can tell, unless you're in an authoritarian regime, there are too many legal and cultural blocks to make an app effective.

Masks though, yeah, we need to up our game. There needs to be a proper strategy. We took to social distancing and hand washing well, there's no reason we can't take to face masks.

Mandatory masks, either legally or enforced by shops, won't work. There'll be a considerable backlash. As with everything else, people need to be convinced. It also risks creating a very toxic and finger-wagging atmosphere. I've seen people going mad because others aren't wearing masks outdoors. And there are plenty of people for whom a mask is not possible.
So I'd fear what a mandatory enforcement would do.

I say this as someone who frequently forgets his mask when he goes out. We need greater social buy-in, and a better sense of the importance of it, in order to do better.

Cork Boy 53 · 22-06-2020 11:38AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

So what is the likelihood of a second wave?
Seems South Korea are officially saving second wave for them.

When people are allowed to gather indoors in large numbers for extended periods of time and particularly when flights from the still highly infected countries are allowed to resume with little or no quarantining implemented which is what many appear to want then a second and even a third wave will be inevitable. Unless of course an effective vaccine or treatment is developed in the near future and even then there will be muppets who refuse to take it.

ACitizenErased · 22-06-2020 11:39AM

No deaths in Scotland for the 6th day in a row

Widdensushi · 22-06-2020 11:40AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

You walk on the footpaths and use pedestrian crossings, so less chance of being knocked down by a car.

We were told it lives on packaging for days, who gives a flying fcuk what someone does with their shopping when they get it home. Clearly alot of posters here care to be telling someone they're irrational.

Cars can mount the footpath out of control, that is closer to the kind of thinking, I don't give a flying fcuk what someone does with their shopping, I do question it when they put it on an open forum for discussion, other people might think it is needed and start worrying if it's not questioned

ShyMets · 22-06-2020 11:40AM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

When people are allowed to gather indoors in large numbers for extended periods of time and particularly when flights from the still highly infected countries are allowed to resume with little or no quarantining implemented which is what many appear to want then a second wave will be inevitable. Unless of course an effective vaccine or treatment is developed and even then there will be muppets who refuse to take it.

Just in terms of your last line. I, like a lot of people I suspect, would be very cautious about taking a vaccine which had been rushed to market.

That doesn't make me a Muppet

s1ippy · 22-06-2020 11:41AM

Ficheall wrote: »

What's the downside of letting things sit for three days? Sure, your patisserie goods, for example, are fecked, but the vast majority of stuff you eat will last three days no problem.

We just make our own. In the last two weeks we've had homemade jambons, crossaints, vol au vents and a steak and kidney pie that we made from scratch. I've needed to do a good bit of exercise actually!

I don't really care if people take issue or think I'm mental etc. It's our health we're protecting, and if it makes them angry and put up mocking images etc, I presume that's pretty much just them showing their insecurities. Many reactions are understandable to hearing something at odds with what you feel, anger is not a typical response to this situation, so I can only presume they're afraid themselves or something?

I'm celebrating getting a promotion today so we're going to get a pizza from the local place that does really nice ones with loads of toppings. We'll ask the driver to leave it outside the front door and wearing gloves, slip it from the box to a plate, bring it in and put it in the oven to heat it up.

I've made my own pizza a twice in the last few months and they're nice but they're too fancy, just want a sh!te takeaway one with no effort.

Micky 32 · 22-06-2020 11:45AM

Drumpot wrote: »

I’d be happy right now if there was mandatory mask wearing and mandatory app for contact tracing.
..

I was doing the shop for the auld pair in Dunnes today I noticed an increase in people wearing masks in there even since last week.

P.s i wore one ;-)

Away With The Fairies · 22-06-2020 11:46AM

never_mind wrote: »

https://www.safefood.eu/Food-Safety/Groceries-and-COVID-19.aspx

It's unnecessary.

There's so many people infected or was infected with Covid19, how can anyone be so sure that there's no chance of catching it from packaging? Or is it easier to blame people?

Also from safefood website, other pathogens such as E-coli and campylobacter can last for 24 hours on packaging and can be transferred to other surfaces.
https://www.safefood.eu/Food-safety/Cross-Contamination.aspx

There really isn't any harm in wiping down shopping and letting things sit for a few days.

MickeyLeari · 22-06-2020 11:47AM

Given the reports in respect to the concentration of cases in meat factories, are there heightened risks to consumer health. Thinking in particular to goods/ingredients which are coming in from countries without the same high food safety standards in Ireland?

MickeyLeari · 22-06-2020 11:51AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I was doing the shop for the auld pair in Dunnes today I noticed an increase in people wearing masks in there even since last week.

P.s i wore one ;-)

I use my own sanitizer. Saw someone the other day picking their nose and then using the same hand to press the pump on the supermarket sanitizer. Covid or not, that is not good.

Martina1991 · 22-06-2020 11:55AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Less testing is clearly the answer here

https://twitter.com/FluffLingering/status/1274929072628363264

Biggly

There is no consistency in the testing the USA are carrying out.

I think Trump himself has been tested using the Abbott now system, which isn't reliable, and not good for mass testing. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-informs-public-about-possible-accuracy-concerns-abbott-id-now-point?fbclid=IwAR23bOee67bVQ7wCw_kxD3_eeZOQxY_ntBdaXEF26ALswtACZyHKPgw7JpA

Walgreens, a chain store pharmacy, have drive through test centers all over the country. These tests are conducted outside, exposed to the heat and the elements. They use Point of Care devices i.e. swabs are not sent to a lab. They are performed by pharmacists, who are not trained to carry out diagnostic tests.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/07/walgreens-to-open-15-drive-thru-coronavirus-testing-sites-across-7-states.html?fbclid=IwAR310jOskt9ADdwgYkM3HTIcMqKq-4j24R4HGeVxvsgFlEJBcZPvRZNiPFQ

LabCorp "The worlds leading healthcare diagnostics company" apparently, has patients take their own swabs and then send them to one of their labs. If American's can't even be trusted to wear a mask or stop killing themselves for 5 minutes, I wouldn't trust them to take a swab properly.

There are also many manufacturers that jumped on the band wagon to sell tests. The administration probably don't care if they can all be counted in their test numbers to make them look good, and the public would be none the wiser.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-alerts-consumers-about-unauthorized-fraudulent-covid-19-test-kits

Away With The Fairies · 22-06-2020 11:58AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I use my own sanitizer. Saw someone the other day picking their nose and then using the same hand to press the pump on the supermarket sanitizer. Covid or not, that is not good.

I use my own sanitizer as well unless it's an automatic sanitizer.

22-06-2020 12:01PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

There's so many people infected or was infected with Covid19, how can anyone be so sure that there's no chance of catching it from packaging? Or is it easier to blame people?

Also from safefood website, other pathogens such as E-coli and campylobacter can last for 24 hours on packaging and can be transferred to other surfaces.
https://www.safefood.eu/Food-safety/Cross-Contamination.aspx

There really isn't any harm in wiping down shopping and letting things sit for a few days.

If you are worried about picking up something form packaging, however unlikely that is, simply washing your hands is the most effective way of minimising risk.

The guidance from Safe food on this:

Currently, there is no evidence that COVID-19 can be transmitted by food or food packaging.

However, it is always important to follow good hygiene practices when handling or preparing foods. You should always wash your hands and surfaces often, separate raw meat from other foods, cook to the right temperature and put food in the fridge as soon as you can.

Food shopping advice
Please don’t go shopping if you have COVID-19 symptoms. You can order your groceries online or have some family or friends drop them off instead.
When you go food shopping, you should wash your hands before you leave the house, avoid touching your face when you’re out and follow social distancing.
When you come home, you should wash your hands straight away. Wash them again once you have unpacked and put away your shopping.
It is not necessary to sanitise the outside of food packaging. While there is some evidence that the virus can survive on hard surfaces, the risk from handling food packing is very low and there is no evidence that the illness can be transmitted in this way.
If you are sanitising surfaces or shopping bags, follow the manufacturer’s instructions about how much time is needed before wiping the sanitiser off.
Gloves can give a false sense of security. They would need to be changed very frequently to be effective. It’s better to wash your hands often and avoid touching your face.

The simple fact on this however is that can happen does not equal will happen. There is no evidence of transmission via packaging.
Virus however has been detected on packaging, and residuals may remain for longer than 3 days in some instances, so open those biscuits and wash your hands if you are so worried.

22-06-2020 12:04PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I use my own sanitizer. Saw someone the other day picking their nose and then using the same hand to press the pump on the supermarket sanitizer. Covid or not, that is not good.

You don't press the pump again after you have dispensed the sanitiser, so whats the issue?

Jim_Hodge · 22-06-2020 12:05PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I use my own sanitizer. Saw someone the other day picking their nose and then using the same hand to press the pump on the supermarket sanitizer. Covid or not, that is not good.

And you sanitise from that pump after touching it, so no problem. That's what its for.

blade1 · 22-06-2020 12:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You don't press the pump again after you have dispensed the sanitiser, so whats the issue?

You've low standards if you don't mind touching other people's snot.

Away With The Fairies · 22-06-2020 12:12PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If you are worried about picking up something form packaging, however unlikely that is, simply washing your hands is the most effective way of minimising risk.

The guidance from Safe food on this:

The simple fact on this however is that can happen does not equal will happen. There is no evidence of transmission via packaging.
Virus however has been detected on packaging, and residuals may remain for longer than 3 days in some instances, so open those biscuits and wash your hands if you are so worried.

Washing hands to touch dirty packaging and spreading more germs around the place.

It's not just Covid19, there's also bacteria. Campylobacter can be found on the outside of chicken packaging and can contaminate other packaging in your shopping.

Wash hands, wipe packaging and wash hands again.

Irish Aris · 22-06-2020 12:13PM

On the masks aspect:

I only wear a mask when using public transport, as the trip is an hour long. I leave outside Drogheda and commuted to Dublin so I used a private bus company, bus eireann and the luas.
In every trip, less than 50% of the people were wearing a mask, in most cases % was much less than that around 15-20%. Passenger numbers also going up, especially in the luas and 2m social distancing starts getting at the limit, although people seem to really make an effort to keep some distance.
The worst case was in a bus eireann trip on a Saturday evening. It was around the time shops were closing and there were a lot of people around, so the driver didn't even apply social distancing rules so the bus was half full, at least one person in every 2 seats. I could have been the only one wearing a mask in that bus, but for sure no more than 4-5 people, all the people a few rows in front and behind me didn't wear one.
Not sure if at this point in time people can be convinced to wear one, unless it is mandatory (and not sure how this can be really enforced. . .)

P.S. I have never wore a mask going to the Supermarket. But I tend to go at quiet hours (weekdays, early in the morning or late in the evening) and always with a list which makes it a 5-10 minute exercise. Usually at these times I don't even have to queue, in and out straight away.

Cork Boy 53 · 22-06-2020 12:13PM

blade1 wrote: »

You've low standards if you don't mind touching other people's snot.

You have missed the point the poster was making.

blade1 · 22-06-2020 12:14PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

You have missed the point the poster was making.

No I didn't.

Micky 32 · 22-06-2020 12:15PM

blade1 wrote: »

You've low standards if you don't mind touching other people's snot.

It’s hilarious that certain posters can’t wait to jump in to nit pick every post. Attention seekers maybe?

Sanitisers aren’t 100% fool proof.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-06-2020 12:15PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

So what is the likelihood of a second wave?
Seems South Korea are officially saving second wave for them.

They had 17 new cases yesterday, not a second wave.

Just isolated pockets.

Away With The Fairies · 22-06-2020 12:16PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You don't press the pump again after you have dispensed the sanitiser, so whats the issue?

Sanitizer isn't all that great at cleaning.

blade1 · 22-06-2020 12:18PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s hilarious that certain posters can’t wait to jump in to nit pick every post. Attention seekers maybe?

Sanitisers aren’t 100% fool proof.

Yeah most of us would have covid by now only for the good ol' sanitiser.

22-06-2020 12:19PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Washing hands to touch dirty packaging and spreading more germs around the place.

It's not just Covid19, there's also bacteria. Campylobacter can be found on the outside of chicken packaging and can contaminate other packaging in your shopping.

Wash hands, wipe packaging and wash hands again.

That's what I said - open the packet, then wash your hands prior to eating anything - its basic hygiene. You should be packing your raw meat separately though rather than putting it in the same bag...tut..tut. not good hygiene practice

22-06-2020 12:23PM

blade1 wrote: »

You've low standards if you don't mind touching other people's snot.

Its icky, and its unsafe are two different things. You never know when you might be toughing someone else snot, so do you touch anything in public?

Oh and https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-hand-sanitizers-inactivate-novel-coronavirus-study-finds

Away With The Fairies · 22-06-2020 12:25PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's what I said - open the packet, then wash your hands prior to eating anything - its basic hygiene. You should be packing your raw meat separately though rather than putting it in the same back...tut..tut. not good hygiene practice

Do you wash your hands after picking up a packet of chicken in the shop? You're only transferring germs from the packet of chicken onto everything else you touch.

22-06-2020 12:25PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s hilarious that certain posters can’t wait to jump in to nit pick every post. Attention seekers maybe?

Sanitisers aren’t 100% fool proof.

Nothing is 100% fool proof, so if you want to actually go places you make compromises based on risk

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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