Why is Ireland lagging behind the world in cannabis legalisation / decriminalisation?

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Partake in what exactly?

Oh for goodness sake what are we talking about? Cannabis. The pendants are out en force tonight.

Also, while acknowledge that abuse of marijuana (particularly in a developing adolescent brain) can be damaging to individuals, AFAIK it is virtually impossible to overdose on it. There is some conjecture that in people with pre existing conditions, it may act as a trigger (for example cardiac problems) however there is no concrete proof of this that I am aware of. I have known a handful of people to abuse it, and it has indeed been detrimental to their lives, mainly socially and mentally. Although it is nothing close to the amount of people I have seen abusing alcohol which has ripped a hole right through my family and the family of many of my friends. If we take any of these arguments that claim how dangerous it is to heart, we also have to look at alcohol which is a big problem for lots of people.

Through the last few months of lock-down the emergency services have had a dramatic decline in alcohol related injuries and a lower than average case of assaults in regards to pubs being shut down. When the pubs open up across the country and especially night clubs, you will see a dramatic rise in alcohol related cases of injuries and assaults, this is a basic fact that alcohol is the most toxic substance of which causes misery for the many as a lot of folk just cant handle alcohol.

I do find the Irish government FF/FG especially to be a very backward collective when it comes to cannabis, these politicians sit in the dail bar drinking while at work thinking that alcohol is just a natural cure for all of lifes issues while denouncing a natural herb of this planet of which has numerous benefits to people if the herb is grown naturally in a professional way, non contaminated.

Look now behind the scenes. At this stage right now the government basically legalised heroin for personal use. If a heroin addict is stopped now on the street with a small amount of heroin the gardai with descretion can allow the person to go and the gaurd will not take their heroin if the addict says that they are on their way to the clinic. Basically, heroin in this way is allowed while cannabis is treated as more detriment to society.

Alcohol in my opinion is 1 billion times more destructive to people than cannabis herb, but that's just my opinion on it as basic as it is.

Sarcozies wrote: »

Just as I'm sure the average drug dealer won't resort to robbing people's dwellings and stabbing people because cannabis is legalised.

Maybe they might start dealing something else , it's a bit a leap to go from dealing cannibas to stabbing people /burglary.

Gradius wrote: »

Legalise it and you'll be moving the power from one bunch of scumbags to another bunch of scumbags. Only with better pr and much bigger reach.

We have enough problems with cigarettes and alcohol.

If you need your fix, just continue buying it off knackers and funding criminal activity from prostitution to slavery.

It's not like it's stopping you now, is it? So why should I give a fook what someone like that thinks in the first place?

A very narrow minded view on the subject.

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

I was hoping for midgets and cocaine TBH.

That's a different thread I'm afraid

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

Through the last few months of lock-down the emergency services have had a dramatic decline in alcohol related injuries and a lower than average case of assaults in regards to pubs being shut down. When the pubs open up across the country and especially night clubs, you will see a dramatic rise in alcohol related cases of injuries and assaults, this is a basic fact that alcohol is the most toxic substance of which causes misery for the many as a lot of folk just cant handle alcohol.

I do find the Irish government FF/FG especially to be a very backward collective when it comes to cannabis, these politicians sit in the dail bar drinking while at work thinking that alcohol is just a natural cure for all of lifes issues while denouncing a natural herb of this planet of which has numerous benefits to people if the herb is grown naturally in a professional way, non contaminated.

Look now behind the scenes. At this stage right now the government basically legalised heroin for personal use. If a heroin addict is stopped now on the street with a small amount of heroin the gardai with descretion can allow the person to go and the gaurd will not take their heroin if the addict says that they are on their way to the clinic. Basically, heroin in this way is allowed while cannabis is treated as more detriment to society.

Alcohol in my opinion is 1 billion times more destructive to people than cannabis herb, but that's just my opinion on it as basic as it is.

It's actually a bit different "behind the scenes " during the pandemic, a significant amount of addicts no longer had to attend thier clinics on a daily basis because of thier methadone being collected and being brought directly to where were placed I.e. hostel , cocooning service.
Its actually illegal for anyone to have methadone bar wo its prescribed to normally but at the moment the HSE , Gardai are happy with the way it's being moved about.

I have to say I'd love some weed.
My appetite returns, i walk better and feel good. CBD oil hasn't a patch on herb

chrissb8 wrote: »

Yup another valid point in why it should be legalised. If you could source weed in a legal way you would know what you're getting and what's put in it.

Do you buy illegal drugs now?

Where do you get them from, if so?

Gradius wrote: »

Do you buy illegal drugs now?

Where do you get them from, if so?

I use the internet, bitcoin etc.

Gradius wrote: »

Well the other bloke disappeared.

My point is that the opinion of a person who's number one priority is getting stoned should not be trusted when they start bleating about all these supposed benefits for others.

All these things like getting rid of criminality associated with drugs...its not exactly stopping them now, is it? It's not their priority now, is it? They don't care.

It would be nice for them to have a guilt-free drug, but when it comes to the shove, it doesn't matter to them anyway.

Talking out of their hole, in other words.

Loads of just regular people have a grow setup and sell a bit to friends etc. It's pretty harmless in many cases.

Lyan wrote: »

The "I know loads of people who are/do X and consume cannabis" argument has a major flaw. Your social group is made up of a certain type of people and you are not exposed to the majority. Using that logic one could say a lot of people who consume tobacco are working professionals, but we know that the middle-upper class is non-smoking, and even anti-smoking in general.

My point was only that it's not fair to generalise re: the typical smokers profile. It is also not fair to imply that the drug use is causative in their socio economic status perceived 'worth" to society by middle class and upper middle class, educated people. At the end of the day, like alcohol, it is a drug. With any drug abuuse (and I do mean abuse not just using it once or twice) particularly in a developing brain there are always going to be sequelae associated. Realistically it is a relatively benign drug, arguably significantly more so than alcohol. Just because alcohol is socially acceptable in the upper echelons of society and marijuana is not ,( maybe it is I dont fall into this socio economic bracket myself) is not a reason to condemn its use. The reason for that is complex and multifaceted. A lot of it is probably the fact that it is illegal and with that comes reticence to break the law to procure but also a moral high ground that has little to do with the effects of the drug itself. If it were to be legalised who knows what that would do to the profile over time.

Would love to see it legalised. Benefits outweigh the negatives.