Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Boggles · 21-06-2020 05:47PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I didn't say we were, I said officially there is advice on it, but the same question to you for how long?

Sure how long should we wash our hands for, cough into or sleeve, physically distance or whatever other recommendations?

You'll have to ask public health advisors, but I doubt they will be able to tell you either.

ceadaoin. · 21-06-2020 05:48PM

Coronavirus has weakened from an "aggressive tiger to a wild cat" according to an Italian doctor. There have been reports of similar from the US and now the UK too.

Sorry, the original article is behind a pay wall so here is the DM version

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8444151/Coronavirus-withered-aggressive-tiger-wild-cat-Italian-scientist-claims.html

The death rate in the US is still declining as cases go up. I'm interested to see what will happen with that in a few weeks after the most recent increases.

ACitizenErased · 21-06-2020 05:50PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Coronavirus has weakened from an "aggressive tiger to a wild cat" according to an Italian doctor. There have been reports of similar from the US and now the UK too.

Sorry, the original article is behind a pay wall so here is the DM version

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8444151/Coronavirus-withered-aggressive-tiger-wild-cat-Italian-scientist-claims.html

The death rate in the US is still declining as cases go up. I'm interested to see what will happen with that in a few weeks after the most recent increases.

That's encouraging but he has been shot down before. I wonder what our hospitals are seeing.

is_that_so · 21-06-2020 05:52PM

Boggles wrote: »

Sure how long should we wash our hands for, cough into or sleeve, physically distance or whatever other recommendations?

You'll have to ask public health advisors, but I doubt they will be able to tell you either.

I hope the handwashing and coughing protocols continue forever, they are good habits to have. The rest is not really feasible over the long term and has to have an end date , both on personal and economic grounds.

wadacrack · 21-06-2020 05:53PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I think the problem is less drama now. Some on here must be having drama withdrawel symptoms from the dwindling virus numbers and are getting edgy. Their posts are so predictable. Keep up with the reporting of the counties.

Reporting of counties is good I think. I mean its surely worth looking at the spread at some level of detail. People having an issue with this is quite frankly odd to say the least.

ACitizenErased · 21-06-2020 05:53PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I hope the handwashing and coughing protocol continue forever, they are good habits to have. The rest is not really feasible over the long term and has to have an end date , both on personal and economic grounds.

If this pandemic has shown anything, it's that people are really, really dirty.

is_that_so · 21-06-2020 05:55PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That's encouraging but he has been shot down before. I wonder what our hospitals are seeing.

The problem with his assertion is that it is localised and it may only be true where he is.

CalamariFritti · 21-06-2020 05:56PM

I see the mask debate keeps going on and some seem very adamant.

I find it hard to see a real case for them at this point.

Never mind the fact we were told for months they are no good for the general populace. There was and is conflicting opinion amongst the science/medical community. Supermarket staff have been working more or less as normal amongst all the shoppers for months without masks and their infection rate is so small its practically negligible.

And now active cases and statistical threat are so low you might as well be wearing a life-vest. If there was a case for masks it might have been in March but the mask advocates are flogging a dead horse at our stage in the pandemic.

Not saying if it came back there'll never be a case again for them but now its not going to happen. Forget it.

growleaves · 21-06-2020 05:57PM

eigrod · 21-06-2020 05:58PM

The German situation is great for us to learn from, ie what will be the wider impact of the rise in the R number and how the Germans act over the next week or so.

Jim_Hodge · 21-06-2020 05:58PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I see the mask debate keeps going on and some seem very adamant.

I find it hard to see a real case for them at this point.

Never mind the fact we were told for months they are no good for the general populace. At the very least there was and is conflicting reports even amongst the science/medical community. Supermarket staff have been working more or less as normal amongst all the shoppers for months without masks and their infection rate is so small its practically negligible.

And now active cases and statistical threat are so low you might as well be wearing a life-vest. If there was a case for masks it might have been in March but the mask advocates are flogging a dead horse at our stage in the pandemic.

Not saying if it came back there'll never be a case again for them but now its not going to happen. Forget it.

Social distancing and restrictions on movements are different now than in March
Now Masks will matter.

is_that_so · 21-06-2020 06:01PM

growleaves wrote: »

Any pandemic in pre-modern times is not worth using as any form of comparison as the ability to combat it was limited to non-existent. 1918 is probably the starting point but even that doesn't work well as a comparison.

CalamariFritti · 21-06-2020 06:02PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Social distancing and restrictions on movements are different now than in March
Now Masks will matter.

It would have been a way of avoiding restrictions and distancing. On top of those they would have made no sense in March either.

Renjit · 21-06-2020 06:03PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Forget it.

Erase memory protocol initiated.

is_that_so · 21-06-2020 06:04PM

eigrod wrote: »

The German situation is great for us to learn from, ie what will be the wider impact of the rise in the R number and how the Germans act over the next week or so.

The problem, as Phillip Nolan pointed out, is we have so few cases now to estimate it and a large cluster could give an impression of it spiking.

is_that_so · 21-06-2020 06:07PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Social distancing and restrictions on movements are different now than in March
Now Masks will matter.

I think the point about March is that there was a lot of the virus about in the community and therefore a much higher risk, now it is down to very low levels and an extremely low risk according to some.

ZX7R · 21-06-2020 06:08PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Koch Institut say no, some meat factory clusters pushing it up.

The 7 day RO average is running at 1.5
Yesterday's RO is 1.79.
Press release today from German public health angancy Robert Koch stated
The RO number is been skewed by the large know outbreak in two meat processing plant and one religious group meeting.
The RO in the general public remains steady at 1 or just below.

tom1ie · 21-06-2020 06:09PM

growleaves wrote: »

Lol! Useless graphic. There’s 8 billion people on the planet now compared to 475 million in the 14th century. So of course the plagues % is going to be higher.
Unless I’m completely misunderstanding this graph which could be possible after a tin or two.........

is_that_so · 21-06-2020 06:11PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

It would have been a way of avoiding restrictions and distancing. On top of those they would have made no sense in March either.

I think they were automatically on the table from day 1 anyway as part of the strategy. Our experience with the virus suggests that strategy was the way to go.

Boggles · 21-06-2020 06:12PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I hope the handwashing and coughing protocols continue forever, they are good habits to have. The rest is not really feasible over the long term and has to have an end date , both on personal and economic grounds.

The recommendations will be dictated by the prevalence of the virus in the country.

Best case scenario is a widely available vaccine by next summer, with the following winter/spring to test it's effectiveness.

Masks will become so common place, people will wonder how "anti maskers" were even slightly entertained.

is_that_so · 21-06-2020 06:16PM

Boggles wrote: »

The recommendations will be dictated by the prevalence of the virus in the country.

Best case scenario is a widely available vaccine by next summer, with the following winter/spring to test it's effectiveness.

Masks will become so common place, people will wonder how "anti maskers" were even slightly entertained.

I think it will decline to a point where it is just managed as cases emerge. I am not sure about it burning out but that may happen too.

I really don't think they will. Like others I am seeing fewer and fewer masks in ever fuller supermarkets and shops.

CalamariFritti · 21-06-2020 06:18PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I think they were automatically on the table from day 1 anyway as part of the strategy. Our experience with the virus suggests that strategy was the way to go.

I think you're right although it was probably forced on us by circumstance. Had we had enough masks at that time or a mask familiarity like some Asian countries do then masks may have been an option. But we hadn't so we locked down 'cos thats what China and most others did and it seemed to be working.

timsey tiger · 21-06-2020 06:19PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The problem, as Phillip Nolan pointed out, is we have so few cases now to estimate it and a large cluster could give an impression of it spiking.

Don't worry, we have a large reservoir in the UK, give it a month or so and we'll have a nice little liptick with the pubs open and reseading from UK.

gerbilgranny · 21-06-2020 06:20PM

I read this today - I don't particularly like the tone of it, and I'm certainly not saying this guy has got everything right, but there are some points - particularly with regard to the wearing of masks - that were thought-provoking. Feel free to tear it to pieces; it's no skin off my nose!

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=239552

Boggles · 21-06-2020 06:21PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Coronavirus has weakened from an "aggressive tiger to a wild cat" according to an Italian doctor. There have been reports of similar from the US and now the UK too.

Sorry, the original article is behind a pay wall so here is the DM version

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8444151/Coronavirus-withered-aggressive-tiger-wild-cat-Italian-scientist-claims.html

Not the first to make the claim. It's not actual hard science to put on paper and prove.

Italian public health have asked the "celebrity" doctors to do exactly this.

Radio silence.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The death rate in the US is still declining as cases go up. I'm interested to see what will happen with that in a few weeks after the most recent increases.

The death rate is tied to a countries / states ability to cope or what effective measures they put in place.

For example in America they got fair warning from New York and took appropriate action to protect the most vulnerable. e.g care homes.

There is absolutely no concrete evidence the virus has weakened or become less deadly.

But from the article.

Dr Seema Yasmin, an epidemiologist from Stanford University, said the idea was 'bullshít*'.

:pac:

timsey tiger · 21-06-2020 06:22PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I think you're right although it was probably forced on us by circumstance. Had we had enough masks at that time or a mask familiarity like some Asian countries do then masks may have been an option. But we hadn't so we locked down 'cos thats what China and most others did and it seemed to be working.

Goes to show honesty is the best policy. I don't buy this premise though, I think they genuinely believed mask wearing would cause more harm than good, even if they never had any studies to inform this belief.

Boggles · 21-06-2020 06:22PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I think it will decline to a point where it is just managed as cases emerge. I am not sure about it burning out but that may happen too.

I really don't think they will. Like others I am seeing fewer and fewer masks in ever fuller supermarkets and shops.

Strange that. I have been in a fair few places this week and I have to say I have never seen so many people wearing masks.

Obviously it is still a small percentage, but the messaging seems to be getting across.

growleaves · 21-06-2020 06:24PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Lol! Useless graphic. There’s 8 billion people on the planet now compared to 475 million in the 14th century. So of course the plagues % is going to be higher.
Unless I’m completely misunderstanding this graph which could be possible after a tin or two.........

Its factual information, presented without commentary, so you're not being pushed into accepting any particular conclusion. Other posters might find it useful.

Boggles · 21-06-2020 06:25PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Goes to show honesty is the best policy. I don't buy this premise though, I think they genuinely believed mask wearing would cause more harm than good, even if they never had any studies to inform this belief.

The science is irrefutable on masks. They work. It's ridiculous the argument is still on going 7-8 months into a global pandemic.

DevilsHaircut · 21-06-2020 06:27PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1274479392702509056?s=21

The Lancet has been caught out again. Apparently there is now zero evidence that 2m distancing is effective.

Tweet by Phil Kerpen, author of 'Democracy Denied: How Obama is Ignoring You and Bypassing Congress to Radically Transform America – and How to Stop Him'.

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