Madeleine McCann

happyoutscan wrote: »

No they didn't.

Can you prove it

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

What about Jaime Bolger mother - what level of blame is placed on her. Or the dad in Waterford that left his baby in the car.

It’s all about degrees isn’t it - how long you lose sight of child - 30secs or 10 mins the result unfortunately can be the same.

There’s a lot of armchair parents out there. My heart goes out to the McCanns - I think it’s just about the worst thing that can happen to a human being.

I agree it is the worst. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

What about Jaime Bolger mother - what level of blame is placed on her. Or the dad in Waterford that left his baby in the car.

It’s all about degrees isn’t it - how long you lose sight of child - 30secs or 10 mins the result unfortunately can be the same.

There’s a lot of armchair parents out there. My heart goes out to the McCanns - I think it’s just about the worst thing that can happen to a human being.

Again, some really weird comparisons.


My understanding was he forgot to drop the child to the creche. It's possible it's not something he did every day. Sounds like a genuine mistake but I don't know much about the case.


Parents make mistakes all the time. Every day. They're human.



When you choose to leave 3 kids in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country while you go out drinking. This is not a mistake. It's a choice.


A very reckless one with devastating outcome for poor Madeleine who these people should have been protecting.


Stop comparing it to people who make a mistake.

buttercups88 wrote: »

The children were unattended and out of line of sight in a car that could have easily been unlocked is point I'm making.

It has happened not that long ago that a car was stolen from a petrol station in Dublin with a young child inside. Thankfully in that case the child was found unharmed not long after but it could have ended very differently. I'm sure that parent thought at the time what they were doing was safe and never in a million years imagined what could happen...

I'm not saying what the mc canns done is okay I'm just trying to get people to look at the person who took that poor girl away from her siblings

I completely understand the point that you are making.
You are not drawing parallels to the McCann case with your scenario, you are asking us who would have been responsible if you had decided to abduct those children, seeing as you had an opportunity to do so.

You are asking if you had taken those kids, would it be the parents fault or would it be yours. Of course it would be your fault, as you were the one who abducted them.

Unfortunately some people still can’t see that and are once again using your point as an exercise to criticise the McCanns, because to some people no violent premeditated crime on earth will ever come compare to the mistake they made, and their poor decision of leaving the children unsupervised is far worse than the crimes committed by whoever abducted a sleeping toddler from her bed and did God knows what to her.
I don’t get it either but here we are.

maebee wrote: »

Greater minds than ours are unable to answer it. I could post a hundred links to where police and other professionals suspected the McCanns and you'd pick holes in every one of them. Here's a few:-

https://www.her.ie/news/crime-expert-claims-madeleine-mccann-not-abducted-338304


https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/british_diplomat_warned_foreign?unfold=1

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

Ok, so not one of those links even attempts to outline how/where /why/when they did it. You can have suspicions all you like, doesn't make it true or even remotely credible. People had the same suspicions about Lindy Chamberlain, even though there was no motive and the theories were equally as ridiculous.

In your first link, which quotes one of the leading ant-McCann proponents Pat Brown, she says “When I analysed (Madeleine’s) case, it led me to believe evidence does not support an abduction.
“An abduction was extremely unlikely based on the amount of time, evidence at the scene, and every other shred of evidence there has ever been"
- Yet she offers no theory as to how the McCanns could have done it - it's the usual pseudo armchair detective, body reading BS they all come out with. She mentions how an abduction was extremely unlikely based on the amount of time, which is the most baffling statement of all, as it's precisely the timeline which is the biggest indication of the McCanns innocence!

It's really not about 'picking holes'. The reason people are unable to answer this fundamental question, is because it's next to impossible for them to have done it in the timeline, in an area they had been in for less than a week, on foot, with no witnesses. Not even 'experts' like Pat Brown can come close to answering it. In fact, as I recall, she once put forward the theory that the McCanns may have taken her mummifed body home to the UK in a suitcase. That's the kind of rubbish you're dealing with here.

So, I still await a credible and coherent theory of how it could have been done by the parents. I suspect I'll be waiting a while...

maebee wrote: »

Greater minds than ours are unable to answer it. I could post a hundred links to where police and other professionals suspected the McCanns and you'd pick holes in every one of them. Here's a few:-

https://www.her.ie/news/crime-expert-claims-madeleine-mccann-not-abducted-338304


https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/british_diplomat_warned_foreign?unfold=1

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

I don’t want to hear other people’s theories, I want to hear yours. Obviously I know you aren’t going to know the disposal site etc but I’d like to hear the timeline of events from your perspective of how they might have done it.

They collected Madeleine from kids club at 6pm, what happened then?

happyoutscan wrote: »

I don't need to. I've spent enough time in Luz to know just how complicated a scenario like that would be to carry out, in the time frame involved, etc etc etc. plus trying to keep that amount of people quiet about it? FFS if you think the McCann's did it, turn your brain on.

I've spoken to enough ex-pats and business owners there (not an easy task as they are fairly qt about the whole scenario) and not one of them think the McCann's were involved.

Negligent yes, murderers no.

They consider the whole thing a McCann Circus such is their anger at the McCanns for leaving the kids alone. Especially as the Portugese are a family first people.

Most of them reckon a guy who's now dead to have been heavily involved in it

As for the couple posters here who feel the need to continually highlight the gross negligence of the McCanns, I find their continuous 'groundhog day' assertions disturbing. Repeat after repeat after repeat. What the **** is wrong with these people?

At this stage, I'm seriously wondering if they are getting some p*******d satisfaction from it.

It's disturbing. ****ing disturbing.

So you cant. The point im making is no one knows anything. Cant prove anything.
So me saying A and you saying B amounts to both of us speculating on an internet forum.

I dont think the Mc canns did it, i cant prove they didnt. I cant prove anything. I cant prove the German fella did it either, or any other theory out there!

What do i think? I think anyone who says someone elses opinion is wrong on this thread is entitled to that opinion, but it doesnt mean they know what happened.

Just remembered the last time we were in Luz, most of the stop signs had been sprayed with 'the McCann Circus' under STOP (over here you would see the odd 'hammertime').

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The central reason as to why Maddie is missing is the negligence of her parents, so of course it's going to be brought up.
As for your theories it seems you wish to make personal comments about posters here, I might be making a wrong assumption so my bad if that's the case.. I could be wrong but I don't think that is in compliance with the site guidelines.

And you’re entitled to your view.

“The central reason”, I can’t agree with. A factor, yes of course. An important factor even.

But you continually say it is THE reason. Which is why I think you’re getting pushback. And also the reason why the thread is going round in circles.

ittakestwo wrote: »

No the reason she disappeared is that someone took her.

the reason someone was able to take her is that she was left in an unlocked apartment at the side of the road in a foreign country while her parents were 150ft away inside a resturant drinking and eating

happyoutscan wrote: »

Of course I do. Everyone does. Why do you insist on repeatedly bringing it up?

Why bring anything up.

It's a bloody integral part of the case.

It's most probably the sole reason if the apartment was targeted was because of their behavior.

If there was a tip off it was because of their behavior.

It was there behavior that offered up the opportunity.

If you don't want to discuss it. Scroll past it.

Stop trying to dictate what should be discussed or not discussed.

Deleted User wrote: »

If you left your house or car unlocked while you headed out for the night would you feel that there would be a much higher probability that they would be broken in to than if you had locked them? Would you accept a high proportion of the blame if that did happen or would you put all the blame on the thief?

Your insurance company wouldn't pay out

ittakestwo wrote: »

But the two issues are no way comparable as a crime under law. One is infinitely a more serious crime. Obviously the abduction was the real crime. So when this thread gets going on talking about who is responsible for the crime of abduction the thread gets keeping being taken back to the parents when the real crime was committed by the abductor.

i agree. abduction, rape , murder etc is a lot worse than neglect.
but the first wouldnt have happened without the second . so the parents actions caused the neglect and allowed the other to happen.