Madeleine McCann

limnam · 21-06-2020 12:32AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

So who thinks it’s grand that she was potentially raped and murdered so her parents could go for a drink? Yourself is it? Why would you even say such a horrific thing?

You are so dishonest that you can’t even stand by what you said. Have a read back if you can’t remember but it’s there in black and white for us all to see.

Dishonest?

It's written down. Stand by the post.

I don't see what your issue is.

dark crystal · 21-06-2020 12:48AM

maebee wrote: »

The problem with this is that there is no proof of abduction. The Portuguese police (yea, I know you don't like them) believe that the "abduction" was simulated. So it's really an "alleged abduction".

Can you link to where the Portuguese police state this, please. Thanks.

SusieBlue wrote: »

I’m open to how you think they could have done it, btw. Kate collected Madeleine from kids club at 6pm, Gerry was at tennis till 7pm and they sat down to dinner at 8:30pm. I’d love to hear your theory on how they murdered her/accidentally killed her in that timeframe and got away with it.

You will never get an answer to this question, guarantee it.

OwlsZat · 21-06-2020 12:54AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I’m open to how you think they could have done it, btw. Kate collected Madeleine from kids club at 6pm, Gerry was at tennis till 7pm and they sat down to dinner at 8:30pm. I’d love to hear your theory on how they murdered her/accidentally killed her in that timeframe and got away with it.

Very packed schedule that night for the McCanns. No chance the anestist could have amestizesd a child to facilitate plans. Calpol is legal though so no criminality obviously.

SusieBlue · 21-06-2020 12:55AM

limnam wrote: »

Dishonest?

It's written down. Stand by the post.

I don't see what your issue is.

Who thinks it’s grand that Madeleine may have been raped and murdered just so her parents could go for a drink?

Be specific please. If you are saying someone or some people are ‘grand’ with such an abhorrent thing you should make it clear as to who you’re talking about. And as of yet it’s still completely unclear.

limnam · 21-06-2020 01:02AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Who thinks it’s grand that Madeleine may have been raped and murdered just so her parents could go for a drink?

Be specific please. If you are saying someone or some people are ‘grand’ with such an abhorrent thing you should make it clear as to who you’re talking about. And as of yet it’s still completely unclear.

I'm sorry.

But I don't structure my posts to appease you. You seem more interested in making accusations against me instead of a discussion and it never ends well.

SusieBlue · 21-06-2020 01:14AM

limnam wrote: »

I'm sorry.

But I don't structure my posts to appease you. You seem more interested in making accusations against me instead of a discussion and it never ends well.

Another vague reply, just as expected. If you are going to insinuate that ‘people’ think it’s grand that such violent crimes may have been committed against a child, you should be able to explain who you’re talking about.

I presume you won’t be specific because you know you’re being deliberately disingenuous. It’s ok.

limnam · 21-06-2020 01:22AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Another vague reply, just as expected. If you are going to insinuate that ‘people’ think it’s grand that such violent crimes may have been committed against a child, you should be able to explain who you’re talking about.

I presume you won’t be specific because you know you’re being deliberately disingenuous. It’s ok.

Presume and make accusations all you want.

SusieBlue · 21-06-2020 01:30AM

limnam wrote: »

Presume and make accusations all you want.

That’s hilarious coming from the person who said:

limnam wrote: »

People playing it down to "only doing x"

It's bloody disgusting. To think what that poor girl probably went through.

It's grand you may have been raped and murdered

Your parents just wanted to have a drink

:mad::mad:

And still won’t explain which ‘people’ think it’s grand she may have been raped or murdered.

MonsterCookie · 21-06-2020 01:31AM

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/20/madeleine-mccann-case-tabloids-and-trolls-fill-vacuum-as-wait-goes-on

Good article in the Guardian about the trolls and abuse directed towards the family.

“ Dr John Synnott, a senior lecturer in investigative and forensic psychology at the University of Huddersfield, published a study in 2017 of the behaviour of online trolls who maintain that Kate and Gerry McCann were responsible for their daughter’s disappearance, against all evidence to the contrary. Three years later, he says the behaviour of his subjects remains the same.

One thread on a popular messageboard, whose members accuse the McCanns, has drawn almost 1,000 posts in the past fortnight, while the #mccann hashtag on Twitter has become a torrent of speculation and abuse.

The trolls jump on any new information and find their own angle. “It is hugely important to a lot of people’s identities,” Synnott said. “They see new information, but they find something in there that aligns with their existing critique, and they regurgitate it.””

limnam · 21-06-2020 01:33AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

That’s hilarious coming from the person who said:

And still won’t explain which ‘people’ think it’s grand she may have been raped or murdered.

Can you please stop badgering me.

I've already answered to someone else on this thread that I wasn't quoting anyone on thread in the second part.

I'm asking you now, nicely. If you have an issue with a post report it.

But stop making accusations against me.

ceadaoin. · 21-06-2020 01:49AM

OwlsZat wrote: »

Very packed schedule that night for the McCanns. No chance the anestist could have amestizesd a child to facilitate plans. Calpol is legal though so no criminality obviously.

Calpol is not an anesthetic though? Or a sedative. Or a sleep aid. Why do people keep saying it is? Its liquid paracetamol for kids. Thats it.

Plumbthedepths · 21-06-2020 02:33AM

So are we still blaming a stranger for Maddie's disappearance, Mummy and Daddy leaving the kids alone for 4 nights while they wined and dined with their mates is grand. Funny thing Maddie complained to mummy and daddy that they cried but no response from Mummy or Daddy following night Mummy and Daddy still went for drinks and food with mates .
Have been holidays with my children when they young multiple times, always managed to bring them home again. I guess not leaving them alone played a part.

cnocbui · 21-06-2020 02:41AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Calpol is not an anesthetic though? Or a sedative. Or a sleep aid. Why do people keep saying it is? Its liquid paracetamol for kids. Thats it.

A mere technicality.

cnocbui · 21-06-2020 02:51AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So are we still blaming a stranger for Maddie's disappearance, Mummy and Daddy leaving the kids alone for 4 nights while they wined and dined with their mates is grand. Funny thing Maddie complained to mummy and daddy that they cried but no response from Mummy or Daddy following night Mummy and Daddy still went for drinks and food with mates .
Have been holidays with my children when they young multiple times, always managed to bring them home again. I guess not leaving them alone played a part.

You can blame whoever you like, but there is no evidence or clue as to what happened.

I let my daughter climb trees and took her skiing, despite knowing the risks.

ittakestwo · 21-06-2020 02:56AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So are we still blaming a stranger for Maddie's disappearance, Mummy and Daddy leaving the kids alone for 4 nights while they wined and dined with their mates is grand. Funny thing Maddie complained to mummy and daddy that they cried but no response from Mummy or Daddy following night Mummy and Daddy still went for drinks and food with mates .
Have been holidays with my children when they young multiple times, always managed to bring them home again. I guess not leaving them alone played a part.

Who ever took her is to blame under the law and will be the only person/people to do time for the crime of kidnapping Madeleine.

Out of a matter of interest. If CB was proven to have abducted Madeleine. What percentage of the blame would you still hold the parents to account? Btw in that case I would (like the Law) agree that CB then would be 100% responsible for the crime and attribute 0% to the parents.

limnam · 21-06-2020 07:31AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So are we still blaming a stranger for Maddie's disappearance, Mummy and Daddy leaving the kids alone for 4 nights while they wined and dined with their mates is grand. Funny thing Maddie complained to mummy and daddy that they cried but no response from Mummy or Daddy following night Mummy and Daddy still went for drinks and food with mates .
Have been holidays with my children when they young multiple times, always managed to bring them home again. I guess not leaving them alone played a part.

Percentages.

Parenting via statistics.

Perfectly normal.

limnam · 21-06-2020 07:35AM

ittakestwo wrote: »

Who ever took her is to blame under the law and will be the only person/people to do time for the crime of kidnapping Madeleine.

Out of a matter of interest. If CB was proven to have abducted Madeleine. What percentage of the blame would you still hold the parents to account? Btw in that case I would (like the Law) agree that CB then would be 100% responsible for the crime and attribute 0% to the parents.

Whatever horrific ordeal Madeleine was put through. I'm sure she'll RIP knowing her parents did everything they could to protect her.

Flippyfloppy · 21-06-2020 07:40AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So are we still blaming a stranger for Maddie's disappearance, Mummy and Daddy leaving the kids alone for 4 nights while they wined and dined with their mates is grand. Funny thing Maddie complained to mummy and daddy that they cried but no response from Mummy or Daddy following night Mummy and Daddy still went for drinks and food with mates .
Have been holidays with my children when they young multiple times, always managed to bring them home again. I guess not leaving them alone played a part.

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TheW1zard · 21-06-2020 08:37AM

The parents did it for all we know.

Baggly · 21-06-2020 08:42AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

That’s hilarious coming from the person who said:

And still won’t explain which ‘people’ think it’s grand she may have been raped or murdered.

limnam wrote: »

Can you please stop badgering me.

I've already answered to someone else on this thread that I wasn't quoting anyone on thread in the second part.

I'm asking you now, nicely. If you have an issue with a post report it.

But stop making accusations against me.

Mod

Both of you stop at each other or stop posting in this thread.

Kidchameleon · 21-06-2020 09:16AM

This guy Christian Brueckner was abandoned as a child, something that no doubt has significantly contributed to his life of crime. He probably "got off" on the fact that Maddie was left unattended as people like him would see it as their right to take advantage of the situation ie. that the world "owes" them for their suffering.

Its absolutely repugnant what some of the posters here are saying about Kate and Gerry. Yes, we get it, they went drinking wine and eating blah blah blah... ad infinitum.

I hope these posters realize they could well have contributed directly to this pedophiles sick fantasy.

roofer1988 · 21-06-2020 09:24AM

Thread poll needed, Were Kate and gerry right or wrong for leaving kids unattended. Yes or NO. Simple question, move on after that its being discussed and commented probably since May 4th 2007.

Day Lewin · 21-06-2020 10:05AM

roofer1988 wrote: »

Thread poll needed, Were Kate and gerry right or wrong for leaving kids unattended. Yes or NO. Simple question, move on after that its being discussed and commented probably since May 4th 2007.

Ah, bless your innocence!
Of course they should never have left the kids unsupervised, everyone knows that.
But the crime being discussed as Current Affairs, and investigated by the police forces of Europe, is the pursuit of a criminal who committed (an assumption!) kidnapping, rape, torture, murder...or something of that kind - gruesome, deliberate, malicious harming of a child.

Not quite the same league, most would agree.

But the triumph of the self-righteous brooks no dissent. I wish you luck!

happyoutscan · 21-06-2020 10:22AM

TheW1zard wrote: »

The parents did it for all we know.

No they didn't.

buttercups88 · 21-06-2020 10:24AM

Okay so I was at a garage yesterday evening getting diesel about 7pm. As I was filling my tank I noticed car next to me had 2 kids in the back seat maybe about 4 and 2. 2 year old was asleep and the driver window was down. The driver assuming parent of these kids had gone inside to pay. They were inside the entire time it took me to fill tank.

Obviously this was not a clever thing for them to do but would it have been okay for me to go over open car door and take one of those kids and disappear?

Would it be ok for my crime not to be investigated because of that parents decision.

No I would hope not.

21-06-2020 10:38AM

buttercups88 wrote: »

Okay so I was at a garage yesterday evening getting diesel about 7pm. As I was filling my tank I noticed car next to me had 2 kids in the back seat maybe about 4 and 2. 2 year old was asleep and the driver window was down. The driver assuming parent of these kids had gone inside to pay. They were inside the entire time it took me to fill tank.

Obviously this was not a clever thing for them to do but would it have been okay for me to go over open car door and take one of those kids and disappear?

Would it be ok for my crime not to be investigated because of that parents decision.

No I would hope not.

Do you actually believe that situation is comparable to leaving 3 very young children alone in an unlocked apartment while you head out to a restaurant every night with friends?
I would hope not.

buttercups88 · 21-06-2020 10:45AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you actually believe that situation is comparable to leaving 3 very young children alone in an unlocked apartment while you head out to a restaurant every night with friends?
I would hope not.

The children were unattended and out of line of sight in a car that could have easily been unlocked is point I'm making.

It has happened not that long ago that a car was stolen from a petrol station in Dublin with a young child inside. Thankfully in that case the child was found unharmed not long after but it could have ended very differently. I'm sure that parent thought at the time what they were doing was safe and never in a million years imagined what could happen...

I'm not saying what the mc canns done is okay I'm just trying to get people to look at the person who took that poor girl away from her siblings

limnam · 21-06-2020 11:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you actually believe that situation is comparable to leaving 3 very young children alone in an unlocked apartment while you head out to a restaurant every night with friends?
I would hope not.

Not sure why people keep finding these examples and try to compare them.

Someone even brought up a mother lovingingly maker child her supper while the kid was pounced on.

How anyone can see similarities between these is beyond me

21-06-2020 11:23AM

buttercups88 wrote: »

The children were unattended and out of line of sight in a car that could have easily been unlocked is point I'm making.

It has happened not that long ago that a car was stolen from a petrol station in Dublin with a young child inside. Thankfully in that case the child was found unharmed not long after but it could have ended very differently. I'm sure that parent thought at the time what they were doing was safe and never in a million years imagined what could happen...

I'm not saying what the mc canns done is okay I'm just trying to get people to look at the person who took that poor girl away from her siblings

I understand what you are saying but what they did gave ample opportunity to whomever took her and I find it so hard to go beyond that fact. Most parents have experienced the situation of their child going missing for a few minutes when you turn your back on them in a shop and the terror you feel until you find them but this is a completely different scenario and that's why it's difficult to empathise with the parents, if she had been taken while they were all together on the beach or similar I would view it as opportunist and agree that it could happen to any parent but this case is totally different and I will never understand how any of that group could leave their babies/children and head out to relax for food and drinks.
It's an absolute tragedy and every parents worse nightmare and I genuinely don't know how they cope with it but what they did can't be overlooked as a massive part the whole situation.

Flippyfloppy · 21-06-2020 11:29AM

buttercups88 wrote: »

Okay so I was at a garage yesterday evening getting diesel about 7pm. As I was filling my tank I noticed car next to me had 2 kids in the back seat maybe about 4 and 2. 2 year old was asleep and the driver window was down. The driver assuming parent of these kids had gone inside to pay. They were inside the entire time it took me to fill tank.

Obviously this was not a clever thing for them to do but would it have been okay for me to go over open car door and take one of those kids and disappear?

Would it be ok for my crime not to be investigated because of that parents decision.

No I would hope not.

'Finders keepers' the so-called anti-mccanns would say, the blame is entirely on the parent.

Madeleine McCann

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