Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

stephenjmcd · 19-06-2020 11:06PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

HSE Daily Operations Update.

42 remain in hospital, no change.

ICU down from 21 to 16 with no deaths last 24 hours.

Excellent numbers tonight

19-06-2020 11:06PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

How about from UK ?

Multiple fights have been running daily through the lockdown from the UK. I’ve been on some of them and they have occasionally had decent numbers of passengers. Haven't heard of any particular problem with infected Brits running amok around Ireland. And, though it has been a sh1tsh0w for many weeks in the UK, the data is showing that it is finally coming under control. It is certainly no USA or Brazil.

Again, to shut off flights to and from the UK, would be a completely disproportionate response to the risk, which we are going to have to learn to manage for many years

tom1ie · 19-06-2020 11:07PM

speckle wrote: »

proberly too simple a solution. Everyone from Ireland books out every hotel,hostel,bnb, campsite, caravan park for the rest of the year for staycations. Then wont be anyone for tourists from high risk countrys? Not a perfect solution but would help?

Not being funny but at least it might keep potentially infected tourists away.
Never gonna happen though.
That’s why it’s inevitable our numbers will rise.

tom1ie · 19-06-2020 11:09PM

MipMap wrote: »

Why should he do that? Because he has views that you don't agree with?

When he is outdone he gets philosophical. Don’t mind him. ðŸ˜‚ (joking)

tom1ie · 19-06-2020 11:11PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Multiple fights have been running daily through the lockdown from the UK. I’ve been on some of them and they have occasionally had decent numbers of passengers. Haven't heard of any particular problem with infected Brits running amok around Ireland. And, though it has been a sh1tsh0w for many weeks in the UK, the data is showing that it is finally coming under control. It is certainly no USA or Brazil.

Again, to shut off flights to and from the UK, would be a completely disproportionate response to the risk, which we are going to have to learn to manage for many years

Yes all while we’ve had a certain amount of lockdown, when we open up and have more flights inbound in will be a different story I’d imagine.

Plumbthedepths · 19-06-2020 11:11PM

speckle wrote: »

proberly too simple a solution. Everyone from Ireland books out every hotel,hostel,bnb, campsite, caravan park for the rest of the year for staycations. Then wont be any room
for tourists from high risk countrys? Not a perfect solution but would help?

Considering the price's on offer no thanks, I'm flying in August.

speckle · 19-06-2020 11:11PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Not being funny but at least it might keep potentially infected tourists away.
Never gonna happen though.
That’s why it’s inevitable our numbers will rise.

yeh but the less that contact tracing teams have to work transnationally the better. Not perfect but... what is..

Neamhshuntasach · 19-06-2020 11:11PM

The whole key to all of this is keeping people out of hospital and keeping people out of ICU in particular. We know the profile of people who have mostly ended up there. These need to be protected and they also personally need to observe and embrace every form of recommended protection until there's a safe vaccine.

A majority of people need to social distance and have good hygiene etiquette. I think that's the best we can do. You're never going to get everyone. You'll always see pockets of people who don't give a ****e about it. I've seen it in various areas having been around Dublin the past 2 weeks. You see an example of what looks like nobody is practicing any sort of distancing. Then you see people completely following it. We just need a majority of people doing it.

Of course we're going to have daily case increases. And with what we know now, we should be able to act fast to identify and then isolate. Nobody bar a few idiots want us to ever go back to full on restrictions. It's bad for health, both physical and mental, and it's bad for the economy and personal finances. We need to keep any outbreaks localized and not look at case numbers nationally. They've already implied this. We know way more now than we did when all this started. And you eventually have to put the trust into the hands of the people that helped suppress the virus and hope that enough people can bring us forward without putting the hospitals under capacity strain. If we had unlimited hospital resources. This wouldn't even be an issue. It's all about hospitalizations going forward.

tom1ie · 19-06-2020 11:12PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Excellent numbers tonight

Indeed.

Goldengirl · 19-06-2020 11:14PM

speckle wrote: »

proberly too simple a solution. Everyone from Ireland books out every hotel,hostel,bnb, campsite, caravan park for the rest of the year for staycations. Then wont be any room
for tourists from high risk countrys? Not a perfect solution but would help?

Yep, a lot booked up already , don't know if it is Irish people staying at home or visitors from elsewhere ?

UK reducing their " Alert level" to 3 despite their large case numbers and talking up cutting SD to 1 m .
Carl Heneghan , Oxford , saying no scientific basis for 2 m distancing .
Scientist who reviewed literature and studies for a Lancet article defending 2m .

Also on BBC news tonight, UK have been found out underreporting their large numbers of deaths at their peak .

Micky 32 · 19-06-2020 11:14PM

tom1ie wrote: »

? Ok. You make no sense. Virus couldn’t give a **** who u are.
If you are fresh meat and you come in contact for a certain amount of time it will spread, be that Dublin Galway limerick.
You are scuttering me aul flower.

No you’re talking more shyte and you clearly don’t understand the concept.

Air bridges to countries with the same infection rates won’t make much difference due to the typical scenario i posted above.

Non solum non ambulabit · 19-06-2020 11:14PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Indeed.

Yes. Chuffed with that. 16 in ICU is brilliant.

tom1ie · 19-06-2020 11:15PM

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

The whole key to all of this is keeping people out of hospital and keeping people out of ICU in particular. We know the profile of people who have mostly ended up there. These need to be protected and they also personally need to observe and embrace every form of recommended protection until there's a safe vaccine.

A majority of people need to social distance and have good hygiene etiquette. I think that's the best we can do. You're never going to get everyone. You'll always see pockets of people who don't give a ****e about it. I've seen it in various areas having been around Dublin the past 2 weeks. You see an example of what looks like nobody is practicing any sort of distancing. Then you see people completely following it. We just need a majority of people doing it.

Of course we're going to have daily case increases. And with what we know now, we should be able to act fast to identify and then isolate. Nobody bar a few idiots want us to ever go back to full on restrictions. It's bad for health, both physical and mental, and it's bad for the economy and personal finances. We need to keep any outbreaks localized and not look at case numbers nationally. They've already implied this. We know way more now than we did when all this started. And you eventually have to put the trust into the hands of the people that helped suppress the virus and hope that enough people can bring us forward without putting the hospitals under capacity strain. If we had unlimited hospital resources. This wouldn't even be an issue. It's all about hospitalizations going forward.

Great post. I agree with this. I’m not sue we know way more than we did in March but we do need to keep to ourselves until we get that vaccine.

tom1ie · 19-06-2020 11:16PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Yes. Chuffed with that. 16 in ICU is brilliant.

Agreed. What is the capacity of the icu do we know. It’s great to see low numbers. Hopefully it ****en stays like that.

Neamhshuntasach · 19-06-2020 11:16PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Considering the price's on offer no thanks, I'm flying in August.

I'm shocked at the prices I've been coming across in Ireland. I had 2 big trips abroad cancelled and was going to use the money for a break each month in Ireland for the next few months. But probably won't bother with that much plan now. Looks like they're trying to recoup lost money rather than trying to attract a steady flow of Irish people who were probably more open than ever to holidaying in Ireland this year with attractive prices.

speckle · 19-06-2020 11:20PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Considering the price's on offer no thanks, I'm flying in August.

I wonder if prices will be cheaper here too? Where are ya going to anyhow? Hope its somewhere with lots of vitD3. Stay safe and don't bring back any little crown shaped presents for us. :-)

Benimar · 19-06-2020 11:21PM

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

I'm shocked at the prices I've been coming across in Ireland. I had 2 big trips abroad cancelled and was going to use the money for a break each month in Ireland for the next few months. But probably won't bother with that much plan now. Looks like they're trying to recoup lost money rather than trying to attract a steady flow of Irish people who were probably more open than ever to holidaying in Ireland this year with attractive prices.

Yes, that’s exactly what they are at and have lost my business as a result.

I’ve no intention of leaving the country this year, so any sort of reasonable prices and I’d have booked something.

My money is staying in the bank for next year now.

tom1ie · 19-06-2020 11:22PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

No you’re talking more shyte and you clearly don’t understand the concept.

Air bridges to countries with the same infection rates won’t make much difference due to the typical scenario i posted above.

Ok how do I not understand the concept. Educate me!

My point is we have a low infection rate now (low r and low rates) if countries with higher r and higher infection fly in to Ireland what happens?

Plumbthedepths · 19-06-2020 11:22PM

speckle wrote: »

I wonder if prices will be cheaper here too? Where are ya going to anyhow? Hope its somewhere with lots of vitD3. Stay safe and don't bring back any little crown shaped presents for us. :-)

Italy actually, off to see friends in Naples. Thanks btw.

fritzelly · 19-06-2020 11:23PM

I'm just waiting for the bars to jack up their prices as well - rip off Ireland will be truly in full swing
When you can get a 2 hour flight to the sun and spend less in a week than a weekend in Ireland costs you know you are being ripped off

tom1ie · 19-06-2020 11:25PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Italy actually, off to see friends in Naples. Thanks btw.

Enjoy Italy plumb stay safe. One place I’d love to go is Naples.

bb1234567 · 19-06-2020 11:27PM

A serum test of the Brazilian population would be really interesting, I wonder if they might approach herd immunity sometime soon. You'd think given how much younger the Brazilian population is than the USA that they'd be experiencing much fewer deaths, but the number of daily deaths per capita the last few days in Brazil is similar to the average peak number of daily deaths per capita reported by the USA in April.

Could this be just because so many more Brazilians have caught the virus than Americans did resulting in a very pronounced number of daily deaths for a short term?

Micky 32 · 19-06-2020 11:28PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Ok how do I not understand the concept. Educate me!

My point is we have a low infection rate now (low r and low rates) if countries with higher r and higher infection fly in to Ireland what happens?

I’m not talking about countries with higher infection rates, bridges to countries that have the same or lower rates.

Btw i’m not advising anyone to fly this year and i certainly won’t be

I’m heading to France in September ( provided numbers keep going the way they are) on the ferry. In my own car. It’s easy to social distance on the WB Yeats, your own cabin and the rural hotel i booked on a cliff over looking the sea. Certainly safer than getting on a full stuffy bus from Dublin to Galway.

nocoverart · 19-06-2020 11:29PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You're acting like there'll be armageddon. You should spend some time off the internet.

You’re definitely one of the best posters on here. You’re not a hysterical, scaremongering twat like the annoying minority, but you don’t sugarcoat things either.

Neamhshuntasach · 19-06-2020 11:29PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Great post. I agree with this. I’m not sue we know way more than we did in March but we do need to keep to ourselves until we get that vaccine.

I think there's a lot more knowledge across the board now than March. Remember the exponential growth here came on the back of zero awareness there was any virus circulating and therefore there was no social distancing or precaution given to protecting ourselves from a virus in our daily lives. The general public are well aware now. Even if a percentage never done it, some will stop doing it and some may become a bit lax. It's still better than nobody practicing anything as was the case before it hit here.

Scientifically, I think there is a better understanding. Even the whole "you can catch it twice" belief has been dispelled. We know it doesn't stay on surfaces as long as originally thought. We know it doesn't seem to spread as easily as first believed outdoors. Better treatments have been developed. We know we have effective track and traces methods.

I think all of the above and I've probably left out a few, put us in a way better position to hopefully never need to address this nationally again.

tom1ie · 19-06-2020 11:32PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

A serum test of the Brazilian population would be really interesting, I wonder if they might approach herd immunity sometime soon. You'd think given how much younger the Brazilian population is than the USA that they'd be experiencing much fewer deaths, but the number of daily deaths per capita the last few days in Brazil is similar to the average peak number of daily deaths per capita reported by the USA in April.

Could this be just because so many more Brazilians have caught the virus than Americans did resulting in a very pronounced number of daily deaths for a short term?

Dr Micheal ohlsterholm has said that age hasn’t got as big a factor as we though before.

MipMap · 19-06-2020 11:34PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

No you’re talking more shyte and you clearly don’t understand the concept.

Air bridges to countries with the same infection rates won’t make much difference due to the typical scenario i posted above.

Actually Micky 32 Airbridges with any countries despite their so called "infection rates" also won't matter.
Even a country that you might consider to be "Rancid" with Covid 19 will still have a miniscule rate of infection per capita and blending this with ours in Ireland would be mathematically entirely negligible.
What is not negigible is the process of people from a large geopgrapic area intermingling and the effect that has on the spread of a pathogen.
In other words - Test everyone coming in - track them - trace them.

And keep the volume as low as possible consistent with the need to protect your economy.

I live in Wexford. 2 cases in 30 days. Need to quarantine visitors from Dublin so.

tom1ie · 19-06-2020 11:37PM

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

I think there's a lot more knowledge across the board now than March. Remember the exponential growth here came on the back of zero awareness there was any virus circulating and therefore there was no social distancing or precaution given to protecting ourselves from a virus in our daily lives. The general public are well aware now. Even if a percentage never done it, some will stop doing it and some may become a bit lax. It's still better than nobody practicing anything as was the case before it hit here.

Scientifically, I think there is a better understanding. Even the whole "you can catch it twice" belief has been dispelled. We know it doesn't stay on surfaces as long as originally thought. We know it doesn't seem to spread as easily as first believed outdoors. Better treatments have been developed. We know we have effective track and traces methods.

I think all of the above and I've probably left out a few, put us in a way better position to hopefully never need to address this nationally again.

Yep agreed.
However we still don’t know about length of immunity ( the virus is 7months old) but we know this ****ing thing is contagious as ****.
We need to do our best to stop the spread (ie lockdown) or we stop the inward migration of the virus (via airports and ports)

ACitizenErased · 19-06-2020 11:39PM

nocoverart wrote: »

You’re definitely one of the best posters on here. You’re not a hysterical, scaremongering twat like the annoying minority, but you don’t sugarcoat things either.

Thank you!

tom1ie · 19-06-2020 11:39PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I’m not talking about countries with higher infection rates, bridges to countries that have the same or lower rates.

Btw i’m not advising anyone to fly this year and i certainly won’t be

I’m heading to France in September ( provided numbers keep going the way they are) on the ferry. In my own car. It’s easy to social distance on the WB Yeats, your own cabin and the rural hotel i booked on a cliff over looking the sea. Certainly safer than getting on a full stuffy bus from Dublin to Galway.

So grand you are talking my language then! I’m confused why you were calling me out!

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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