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FF/FG/Green Next Government

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  • #1172
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    LawBoy2018 wrote: »
    "Ireland is the gift that keeps giving." FG are very generous indeed.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vulture-fund-adviser-ireland-is-the-gift-that-keeps-giving-jdxjhcvj0




    So? they are bad loans. With those loans it was crippling the Irish banking system which in course was crippling the irish economy!!



    If someone boughts a 500k house and couldnt afford it then they should be kicked out and buy a house which they could afford.


    The crash and all the complaints about FF etc. IN the end in came down to plonkers buying houses which they never could or would be able to afford. But ask them now and it was this that and the others fault.


    Even today, I have said this a few times, I have heard people complain because they cant get a 100% mortgage again......seriously?????


  • #1173
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    O'Cuiv wants FF to go back to basics. *or wants to join SF.

    https://twitter.com/eamonocuiv/status/1274036779365081088


  • #1174
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,429 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    O'Cuiv wants FF to go back to basics. *or wants to join SF.

    https://twitter.com/eamonocuiv/status/1274036779365081088

    He views it as Michael Collins winning
    Understandable but neolithic thinking
    Its 2020 now


  • #1175
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    He views it as Michael Collins winning
    Understandable but neolithic thinking
    Its 2020 now

    Bit harsh...he has more to say than that.

    No doubt about it imo, FF in ideological crisis.


  • #1176
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    O'Cuiv wants FF to go back to basics. *or wants to join SF.

    https://twitter.com/eamonocuiv/status/1274036779365081088

    Where is the SF reference?


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  • #1177
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    He'll be off to Sinn Féin in the morning. He's basically saying that.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #1178
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    I know Éamon. He's an odd as a nine euro note, but very principled. The idea of going into government would eat him up inside.

    As a FG supporter I must say I'm chuffed. Hope a few more join him.


  • #1179
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    buried wrote: »
    He'll be off to Sinn Féin in the morning. He's basically saying that.

    It is certainly the implication...that or a new party.


  • #1180
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    FF are tearing themselves asunder in front of our eyes.

    I'm actually wondering if they'll vote for the pfg now too, what kind of a following/influence would O'Cuiv have?

    What's Jim O'Callaghans take on things ?


  • #1181
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    It is certainly the implication...that or a new party.

    Yeah, could also see John McGuinness get out of the place too. If the two of them do leave, maybe try a new party, but can definitely see Éamon Ó Cuív joining SF

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



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  • #1182
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    buried wrote: »
    Yeah, could also see John McGuinness get out of the place too. If the two of them do leave, maybe try a new party, but can definitely see Éamon Ó Cuív joining SF

    He is 69 year of age? F**k me if he heads off let him

    It’s new blood FF want....


  • #1183
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    He is 69 year of age? F**k me if he heads off let him

    It’s new blood FF want....

    Doesn't matter what age you are, if you think your about to eat a $hit sandwich, your probably not going to do so.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #1184
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    McMurphy wrote: »
    FF are tearing themselves asunder in front of our eyes.

    I'm actually wondering if they'll vote for the pfg now too, what kind of a following/influence would O'Cuiv have?

    What's Jim O'Callaghans take on things ?

    O'Callaghan's for it I think. It would take somebody of his stature to come out against it I think for them to vote against it.

    O'Cuiv, McGuinness though have the potential to cause serious dissent.


  • #1185
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    buried wrote: »
    Doesn't matter what age you are, if you think your about to eat a $hit sandwich, your probably not going to do so.

    I seen nothing in his comments about SF but anyway

    If he goes, he goes....a TD who should have retired 10 years ago is hardly a huge loss to the party....

    FF have done well in other areas to remove the old guard and bring in new life, maybe it time to kick another few to touch

    If SF take him, well just shows how desperate they are for decent TDs. He would probably end up right hand man to Mary Lou :-)


  • #1186
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I seen nothing in his comments about SF but anyway

    If he goes, he goes....a TD who should have retired 10 years ago is hardly a huge loss to the party....

    FF have done well in other areas to remove the old guard and bring in new life, maybe it time to kick another few to touch

    If SF take him, well just shows how desperate they are for decent TDs. He would probably end up right hand man to Mary Lou :-)

    Ten years ago he would have been 3 years younger than Michaél is now, the man you placed a topless photo of in the op.


  • #1187
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Ten years ago he would have been 3 years younger than Michaél is now, the man you placed a topless photo of in the op.

    Good man Michael

    You do understand the difference of someone who is top of the ladder and someone who is still scrambling down the bottom after years? Best to give it up if still scrambling around at the bottom


  • #1188
    LawBoy2018
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭LawBoy2018


    He's probably more likely to join Aontú. I read an article recently about PT expressing a spike in interest following the PFG.


  • #1189
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,595 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    buried wrote: »
    He'll be off to Sinn Féin in the morning. He's basically saying that.

    Going 'home' in other words :D

    Part of me was hoping O'Cuiv would enter a leadership challenge on Martin just to see what would happen. And could he sway the FF grassroots to go back in with SF after a long hiatus? Or would he have been ran out of it?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #1190
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The problem in all of this infighting in FF and the Greens is that it is survivable for a leadership but if things start going wrong, they go wrong and get bloody very quickly.

    FF at 14% in the polls and falling is not the party that needs senior figures writing letters like that.

    If the Greens reject this...I don't think Martin will survive the bloodletting. His rather odd statement today that he 'won't be stepping down if it is rejected' confirms to me that he knows what is coming.


  • #1191
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The problem in all of this infighting in FF and the Greens is that it is survivable for a leadership but if things start going wrong, they go wrong and get bloody very quickly.

    FF at 14% in the polls and falling is not the party that needs senior figures writing letters like that.

    If the Greens reject this...I don't think Martin will survive the bloodletting. His rather odd statement today that he 'won't be stepping down if it is rejected' confirms to me that he knows what is coming.


    FF are at 14% in an opinion poll


    The general election is the only poll that counted. If we have another then we can see what they are at then


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  • #1192
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    I mean, sure. There may be elements of the GP that think they can get a better deal then when they basically have the other parties over a barrel desperate for their support and manage to bring in quite a large swathe of their proposals into the PfG. Maybe they think they will get even more seats in a re-run election and still be in a power brokering position.

    But that seems pretty fantastical to me. Rejection of this deal (negotiated by them, let's not forget) would imply that the party as a whole simply will not compromise in order to implement any of its policies. Their input into the PfG is far from window dressing. Elements such as the 2:1 split on active transport funding over road building is a key tenant of Green policy and not a very popular one with large sections of society and yet they have managed to get it included. I genuinely do not understand what more they think they will manage to get in any other scenario.

    I guess it's a balance issue, if they think they are being asked to give up more than they'll get. No party is signing up for the greater good or to be seen to be cooperative if the terms aren't acceptable.


  • #1193
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,595 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    LawBoy2018 wrote: »
    He's probably more likely to join Aontú. I read an article recently about PT expressing a spike in interest following the PFG.

    I had forgotten about that crowd. Makes sense.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #1194
    Truthvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    O'Cuiv wants FF to go back to basics. *or wants to join SF.

    https://twitter.com/eamonocuiv/status/1274036779365081088

    Oooh Eamy baby so you're so,......... like...... "relevant" NOT.

    Definitely another candidate for the Sinn Fein special needs section


  • #1195
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    LawBoy2018 wrote: »
    What percentage of Irish land/properties are owned by oversea speculators? The Greens/SF should draft a bill akin to New Zealand's Overseas Investment Act. Vulture funds don't benefit anyone. Has anyone read the Currency's recent article re Cereberus and their elaborate tax structures? All of this is being facilitated by FG.

    How the **** can FG folk turn a blind eye to these parasite companies? I don't mean to be rude, but it genuinely boggles me. Have you no conscience? Do you carry that much disdain in your hearts for the vulnerable Irish people being priced out of ever being able to afford a home? Why don't Leo & co. put an end to this? What do they have to gain? Peter McVerry highlighted this issue on Tonight VMTV last night and I suspect that if there's another election, people will soon remember why FG were reduced to just 35 TDs in the last election.

    It's like the housing and health crises, some chose to believe it's not a thing.
    If FG changed their attitude towards housing and cut the buffoonery they'd do very well IMO.


  • #1196
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    FF are at 14% in an opinion poll


    The general election is the only poll that counted. If we have another then we can see what they are at then

    2 opinion polls now...both polling companies got the election result more or less spot on with one of them overestimating FF support.

    Hard to ignore that, and you are the only FFer I have heard doing it to be honest.


  • #1197
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Bowie wrote: »
    It's like the housing and health crises, some chose to believe it's not a thing.
    If FG changed their attitude towards housing and cut the buffoonery they'd do very well IMO.


    So whats your plan?


  • #1198
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    2 opinion polls now...both polling companies got the election result more or less spot on with one of them overestimating FF support.

    Hard to ignore that, and you are the only FFer I have heard doing it to be honest.


    Your vast knowledge of every party in Ireland and its members opinion is nothing I can challange.....


  • #1199
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Truthvader wrote: »
    Agreed. There are really very little ideological differences now. They are both very centrist parties with some capable personnel despite the labelling and stupid accusations made here. Ultimately, if Labour got their act together and recruited and/or merged with the less mad Green/ PBP/ Left independents they might form a credible opposition and attract those who feel the more disadvantaged should get more free stuff and services etc. The real problem is that Sinn Fein have inserted themselves into the mix by pretending to be a proper left wing party and have attracted the more gullible left leaning voters who don't understand what they are and then are mystified when no-one will talk to them so that quite a big left wing mandate is wasted.

    You just gave a great example of what's wrong with Fine Gael, (whether you're a fan or not).
    It's not hard working, doing okay taxpayers verses them that want everything free. Never was. The attitude seems to be that if you are complaining about the way FG do business you're the problem. Even from a purely cynical angle, this isn't working for FG and getting angry or dismissive of the electorate isn't helping matters.
    Fine Gael policy is driving the need for more people to seek state aid.
    It's long overdue for FG to put their ego aside and realise it is FG that's the problem and look to fixing it.


  • #1200
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Your vast knowledge of every party in Ireland and its members opinion is nothing I can challange.....

    I don't need to know every other party or all members opinions.

    There are serious divisions in FF, manageable so far. If things go sour...then the 14% and the O'Donnell and O'Cuiv's and unhappy grassroots come very quickly into focus.

    Do you think Martin will survive if the deal is rejected?


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  • #1201
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    So whats your plan?

    Have you got your serious hat on or will you be responding with something about Bobby Sands?
    Stop paying for 25 year leases and build social and affordable. I think that's what every party bar FG is suggesting.


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