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J. K. Rowling is cancelled because she is a T.E.R.F [ADMIN WARNING IN POST #1]

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    #2372
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Surprised this Irish based news was not picked up in the debate, the first now deleted tweet was alleged to have been tweeted by a prominent member of TENI. :eek:
    https://twitter.com/ColetteColfer/status/1272784328657825794
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=516863&stc=1&d=1592475870

    Discussion here including posts by the affected writer
    https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/h9yurn/irish_tras_harrass_threaten_and_impersonate_woman/

    https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3938280-Threats-from-transactivists-in-Ireland


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    #2373
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Surprised this Irish based news was not picked up in the debate, the first now deleted tweet was alleged to have been tweeted by a prominent member of TENI. :eek:
    https://twitter.com/ColetteColfer/status/1272784328657825794
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=516863&stc=1&d=1592475870

    Discussion here including posts by the affected writer
    https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/h9yurn/irish_tras_harrass_threaten_and_impersonate_woman/

    https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3938280-Threats-from-transactivists-in-Ireland

    #therightsideofhistory


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    #2374
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Surprised this Irish based news was not picked up in the debate, the first now deleted tweet was alleged to have been tweeted by a prominent member of TENI. :eek:


    Wouldn’t matter if they were actually a prominent member of TENI or anyone else, threatening violence against anyone is vile. Associating innocent people with people who threaten violence, on the basis that they have traits in common, is just as vile.

    Emelime Pankhurst is widely celebrated as the woman who won women the right to vote in the UK, but what’s often glossed over is the fact that she was a militant terrorist who encouraged other women to commit acts of violence which were utterly futile and caused nothing but misery. She only stopped when a greater threat to British society emerged in Germany and Russia, and sided with the British Government in encouraging men to go to war with the white feather movement. Even her own daughters disagreed with her on that one, so their mother who claimed to be fighting for women’s rights and women’s liberation, deplatformed and tried to shame her own daughters for disagreeing with her -


    Sylvia and Adela, meanwhile, did not share their mother's enthusiasm for the war. As committed pacifists, they rejected the WSPU's support for the government. Sylvia's socialist perspective convinced her that the war was another example of capitalist oligarchs exploiting poor soldiers and workers. Adela, meanwhile, spoke against the war in Australia and made public her opposition to conscription. In a short letter, Emmeline told Sylvia: "I am ashamed to know where you and Adela stand." She had a similar impatience for dissent within the WSPU; when long-time member Mary Leigh asked a question during a meeting in October 1915, Pankhurst replied: "That woman is a pro German and should leave the hall. ... I denounce you as a pro German and wish to forget that such a person ever existed." Some WSPU members were outraged by this sudden rigid devotion to the government, the leadership's perceived abandonment of efforts to win the vote for women, and questions about how funds collected on behalf of suffrage were being managed with regard to the organisation's new focus. Two groups split from the WSPU: The Suffragettes of the Women's Social and Political Union (SWSPU) and the Independent Women's Social and Political Union (IWSPU), each dedicated to maintaining pressure toward women's suffrage.


    Emmelime Pankhurst


    Much less right side or wrong side of history, but rather it depends upon who’s appealing to history to support their political beliefs.

    The current situation is no different, with the LGB Alliance now having been established by a long time Stonewall volunteer who no longer shares the aims of the organisation once she realised what achieving equality actually looks like in reality.


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    #2375
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Emelime Pankhurst is widely celebrated as the woman who won women the right to vote in the UK, but what’s often glossed over is the fact that she was a militant terrorist who encouraged other women to commit acts of violence which were utterly futile and caused nothing but misery. She only stopped when a greater threat to British society emerged in Germany and Russia, and sided with the British Government in encouraging men to go to war with the white feather movement. Even her own daughters disagreed with her on that one, so their mother who claimed to be fighting for women’s rights and women’s liberation, deplatformed and tried to shame her own daughters for disagreeing with her -

    You've gone full MRA, OEJ. Never go full MRA.

    Seems like a pointless post as well, a rather banal appeal to WhatAboutary way back.


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    #2376
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,017 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    FVP3 wrote: »
    You've gone full MRA, OEJ. Never go full MRA.

    Seems like a pointless post as well, a rather banal appeal to WhatAboutary way back.

    Have we figured out what "a tran" is yet? It isn't a trans person anyway. It might be nice if you didn't dehumanise trans people with weird terminology that doesn't even acknowledge their existence as people in future.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2377
    Stark
    Registered Users Posts: 20,947 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    FVP3 wrote: »
    You've gone full MRA, OEJ. Never go full MRA.

    Seems like a pointless post as well, a rather banal appeal to WhatAboutary way back.

    Ah here we go again with "criticise any woman here and you're a misogynist".

    Didn't even know some of the posters here were female until they started screaming "misogynist" at me as soon as I disagreed with their trans-bashing.


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    #2378
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Have we figured out what "a tran" is yet? It isn't a trans person anyway. It might be nice if you didn't dehumanise trans people with weird terminology that doesn't even acknowledge their existence as people in future.

    Couldn’t that just have been a typo? Tran... trans. Seems an easy enough mistake to make. Typos are very easy to make on phones.


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    #2379
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Stark wrote: »
    Ah here we go again with "criticise any woman here and you're a misogynist".

    Didn't even know some of the posters here were female until they started screaming "misogynist" at me as soon as I disagreed with their trans-bashing.

    Well, I’m one of the women you’ve had the most encounter with on this thread and I have not used the word ‘misogynist’ once on this thread.

    In fact, the word has been used eight times in the entire thread, six of those eight times by men. Exaggerate much?

    And that took me about 30 seconds to check.


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    #2380
    Stark
    Registered Users Posts: 20,947 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Well, I’m one of the women you’ve had the most encounter with on this thread and I have not used the word ‘misogynist’ once on this thread.

    In fact, the word has been used eight times in the entire thread, six of those eight times by men. Exaggerate much?

    And that took me about 30 seconds to check.
    Can you quote some example of this "venomous bile"? Or is it just that you don't agree with it so therefore ODB is clearly a hysterical bitter woman?
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Yup. Lol, silly women.

    We are told that transgender women are at risk in men’s facilities but women aren’t allowed to question how our safety could be compromised without being called bigots and fearmongers? How does that work?

    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Same old, same old. :pac:

    Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m late for my weekly neighbourhood witch TERF meeting.

    Okay, maybe not the actual word , you caught me out there, congratulations. But the implication is clear: Disagree or call out transphobic comments and you're anti-woman. Despite the fact that I had no idea you were a women until I was accused of calling you a hysterical bitter woman (which is a fairly good synonym for "misogynist").


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    #2381
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Stark wrote: »
    Okay, maybe not the actual word , you caught me out there, congratulations. But the implication is clear: Disagree or call out transphobic comments and you're anti-woman. Despite the fact that I had no idea you were a women until I was accused of calling you a hysterical bitter woman (which is a fairly good synonym for "misogynist").

    Yeah, many trans rights activists are very anti-woman. Interestingly, they make many comments involving a certain appendage. And there’s a very aggressive edge to their comments. Funny that. Where could that possibly come from? It’s a mystery.


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    #2382
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Have we figured out what "a tran" is yet? It isn't a trans person anyway. It might be nice if you didn't dehumanise trans people with weird terminology that doesn't even acknowledge their existence as people in future.

    Can you define what a woman is? Or how about a female? I bet you you can't, no bother to you denying woman's existence is it!


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    #2383
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    I wasn’t imagining it you know -

    Apologies, that was an oversight on my part. I meant to use the word woman.


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    #2384
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Stark wrote: »
    Ah here we go again with "criticise any woman here and you're a misogynist".

    Didn't even know some of the posters here were female until they started screaming "misogynist" at me as soon as I disagreed with their trans-bashing.

    So you complain about being wrongly called a misogynist while in the very same post wrongly accuse people of 'trans-bashing'. You've heard of the word irony I'm sure.

    But sure go on, show us any regular contributor to this thread's posts that are 'trans-bashing'.


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    #2385
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    A new recruit to TerfWars? I wouldn't be surprised if she has a segment about it next week.

    https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/status/1273731469668737025?s=20


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    #2386
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    FVP3 wrote: »
    You've gone full MRA, OEJ. Never go full MRA.


    Irrelevant anecdote coming up, skip reading now if you like, but your perception reminded me of an occurrence only a couple of hours ago when I was going over to the shop for smokes. I met a little black girl out on her tricycle. She smiled at me and asked “are you a police officer?”

    “No” I said laughing, wondering what could have given her such a strange idea, but before I could ask, she said “You look like one!”

    I have no idea what she thought police officers look like or what she thought police officers should look like, I don’t know whether it was my oversized ears or the fact that I’m grossly overweight (I‘m far too fond of glazed donuts :o), or was it because I was wearing a white shirt, black pants and navy tie (I always do).

    Then I remembered all the shìt that’s going on in the media at the moment which I prefer to ignore, and I thought I really hope that’s not where she’s getting her ideas from, because it’s pure poison - divisive crap, the very same as the kind of divisive crap that JK came out with when she took issue with a charity organisations use of the term ‘people’ referring to young girls, women, and people who identify as non-binary, who menstruate.


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    #2387
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    So you complain about being wrongly called a misogynist while in the very same post wrongly accuse people of 'trans-bashing'. You've heard of the word irony I'm sure.

    But sure go on, show us any regular contributor to this thread's posts that are 'trans-bashing'.

    Any criticism of aspects of the transgender rights narrative is trans-bashing, doncha know? Highlighting that some transgender rights conflict with sex-based rights and going into detail about why and how = trans-bashing. Questioning the transing of impressionable and rapidly changing and developing children = trans-bashing. And conveniently, people dodge debating these issues on the grounds that it is “LITERALLY ERASING MY HUMAN RIGHTS” or some-such other hyperbole.


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    #2388
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Dante7 wrote: »
    A new recruit to TerfWars? I wouldn't be surprised if she has a segment about it next week.

    https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/status/1273731469668737025?s=20

    Stella O’Malley or Ciara Kelly? O’Malley has been vocal on the topic for a while now.


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    #2389
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Stella O’Malley or Ciara Kelly? O’Malley has been vocal on the topic for a while now.

    Yes Stella has been great. And I seem to be the only person in Ireland who has never heard Ciara O Kellys voice, read anything by her or ever seen her on a screen! Never seen Game of Thrones either. :)


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    #2390
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    Yes Stella has been great. And I seem to be the only person in Ireland who has never heard Ciara O Kellys voice, read anything by her or ever seen her on a screen! Never seen Game of Thrones either. :)


    I watched the first episode of it recently (and only the first episode) after hearing everyone saying how great GOT is. Not even the inclusion of gratuitous sex scenes and blondie getting naked adding nothing to the plot could save that pile of shìte.

    I used to enjoy Supergirl though, until it went super politically correct and started introducing storylines of aliens as a metaphor for the immigration politics that’s currently going on in the US. I was even prepared to go with it when they introduced Nia Nal played by Nicole Maines, but when they swapped Supergirl’s skirt for pants, that was just the last straw :pac:


    Why Supergirl Ditched The Skirt To Wear Pants


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    #2391
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,017 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Couldn’t that just have been a typo? Tran... trans. Seems an easy enough mistake to make. Typos are very easy to make on phones.

    Its still not appropriate to call PEOPLE a trans. They are not objects. They are people. Its dehumanising language.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2392
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    The current situation is no different, with the LGB Alliance now having been established by a long time Stonewall volunteer who no longer shares the aims of the organisation once she realised what achieving equality actually looks like in reality.

    That lesbians were being bullied, you mean? That attempts to introduce confusion between biological sex and notion of gender are harming LGB people...
    Read their front page - https://lgballiance.org.uk/

    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    . Associating innocent people with people who threaten violence, on the basis that they have traits in common, is just as vile.

    This is an attempt by you to imply that the people who threaten violence - the fringe element of radical TRAs cowering behind anonymous accounts on Twitter yelling at people to choke on their c0cks - are somehow in a tiny minority and should not be associated with innocent people, as you call them. That would include the innocent people on this thread, I suppose, the innocent people who have called others homophobes, TERFs, irrelevant, old, hateful etc. But let us look at whether or not the people to the public forefront of trans rights activism are really so ''innocent''. These following people now are among the absolutely most publicly well- known figures on this scene. A small selection.


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    Lily Madigan. Transwoman.
    Held the position of Constituency Labour Party Women's Officer in the UK at aged 19.
    Worked to drive women out of the party who said biological sex is real. Lily particularly went after Anne Ruyzlo, lesbian, trade unionist and a woman's officer in a different constituency, because Anne will not get on board. Had to deny association with a Twitter account where they made rape jokes and described themselves as Jimmy Saville's apprentice. Said it was their brother! Has had many sexual harassment allegations made against them, and defends by claiming to be asexual.

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    Aimee Challenor. Transwoman.
    Former Equality spokesperson for the Green Party of England and Wales. When suspended from Green Party was taken in by the Lib Dems. While campaigning in the Greens Aimee employed their father David as campaign manager, even though they knew David had been arrested on charges of kidnapping a 10 year old girl, holding the child captive in the attic of the house he shared with Aimee and raping the child while wearing a nappy because he identifies as a baby. Aimee's boyfriend, Nathanial Knight, has more recently come to attention as they publicly admitted child rape fantasies and attempts to inappropriately contact a minor whereby they communicated with a 13 year old girl giving advice on masturbation.

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    Morgane Oger. Transwoman.
    Prominent and vocal Trans Activist from British Columbia. Sought the NDP candidacy in Vancouver. Spent a long time leading the campaign for the Vancouver Rape Relief and Women's Shelter to be disbanded because they call it ''transphobic and white supremacist''. The centre catered to over 1200 women per year and has been defunded and closed as a direct result of the campaign by Oger.

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    Rachel McKinnon. Transwoman. Now known as Veronica Ivy.
    Prominent TRA. Accepted first prize at the UCI Women’s Masters Track World Championship for the women's 35–44 age bracket. Has publicly invited minors to contact them personally to become part of their glitter family. Regularly writes very violently about what they call cis people including for example the wish that ''they would die in a grease fire''.

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    Jessica Yaniv. Transwoman.
    Vocal Canadian transactivist. Famous for having attempted to sue a group of local working class and immigrant women for discrimination when they would not wax their scrotum. Displays an unusual obsession with menstruation in minors. Attempts to hold topless pool parties for children from age 8 upwards.


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    #2393
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Its still not appropriate to call PEOPLE a trans. They are not objects. They are people. Its dehumanising language.

    Laughing at your faux outrage.

    It's not appropriate to call people 'TERF' either.

    They are people.

    It's dehumanising language.


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    #2394
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    That lesbians were being bullied, you mean? That attempts to introduce confusion between biological sex and notion of gender are harming LGB people...
    Read their front page - https://lgballiance.org.uk/


    I’m well familiar with it, and yes, that’s exactly what I mean.

    Gruffalox wrote: »
    This is an attempt by you to imply that the people who threaten violence - the fringe element of radical TRAs cowering behind anonymous accounts on Twitter yelling at people to choke on their c0cks - are somehow in a tiny minority and should not be associated with innocent people, as you call them.


    By your own acknowledgment, they are a fringe element of radical TRAs, which are a fringe element of all people who identify themselves as transgender. They shouldn’t be associated with innocent people, not as I call them, but as they are.

    They’re not going out of their way to humiliate and abuse people and cause as much hurt and offence as they can, behaving like a bunch of obnoxious pricks masquerading as intellectuals banging on about free speech and defining themselves as “gender critics” where other people perceive them simply as spiteful assholes.

    It’s more difficult to play the victim when you’re a well educated billionaire celebrity author with a massive following on social media as opposed to a complete nobody who’s opinions nobody gives a shìt about.

    Gruffalox wrote: »
    That would include the innocent people on this thread, I suppose, the innocent people who have called others homophobes, TERFs, irrelevant, old, hateful etc.


    Yes it would. Resorting to calling names does not constitute discussion, and it isn’t even approaching anything that could pass for a debate. Debates have set rules and argue for or against a single point or a proposal, not just throwing shìt in the hope that some of it sticks.


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    But let us look at whether or not the people to the public forefront of trans rights activism are really so ''innocent''. These following people now are among the absolutely most publicly well- known figures on this scene. A small selection.


    And that’s all it is, a small selection, a veritable rogues gallery of the worst examples of humanity. I’d include JK in that designation too btw, for her continued efforts to cause division and perpetuate hatred, prejudice and discrimination to increase her own public profile and maintain some sort of relevance in popular culture undermining her own legacy as one of the greatest authors of the 21st century, akin to JRR Tolkien or JM Barrie.

    She will of course be remembered by some people, but by different people for different reasons. Suum cuique and all that jazz. I know you’re undoubtedly familiar with the phrase, the origins and the concept, but for anyone who isn’t -


    The Latin phrase relates to an old Greek principle of justice which translates literally into English as "to each his own". Plato, in Republic, offers the provisional definition that "justice is when everyone minds his own business, and refrains from meddling in others' affairs". Everyone should do according to his abilities and capabilities, to serve the country and the society as a whole. Also, everyone should receive "his own" (e.g., rights) and not be deprived of "his own" (e.g., property).


    Suum cuique


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    #2395
    chopperbyrne
    Registered Users Posts: 10,985 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    I used to enjoy Supergirl though, until it went super politically correct and started introducing storylines of aliens as a metaphor for the immigration politics that’s currently going on in the US.

    Literally what Superman and his extended family have always represented.


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    #2396
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    One eyed Jack wrote: »





    And that’s all it is, a small selectionl]

    By that I meant I made a small selection. But you know that.

    Interesting to see you are a libertarian.


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    #2397
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    chopperbyrne wrote: »
    Literally what Superman and his extended family have always represented.


    The connection was never made so explicit before in the series I was referring to, was my point. They basically said fcuk the storylines, identity politics is where it’s at, and that’s when I just couldn’t be bothered to watch it any more.


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    #2398
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    By that I meant I made a small selection. But you know that.

    Interesting to see you are a libertarian.


    I do know that, I even said it myself earlier in the thread, that you could present a selection of the worst examples, and that’s all it would be, a small selection. They are in no way, shape or form representative of the vast majority of people who identify themselves as transgender or something other than male or female, or man or woman, or anything else in any one of thousands of other languages besides English.

    The organisation in question that JK took offence to their use of the term ‘people who menstruate’ (as opposed to those who don’t), could have used the terms ‘mammals who menstruate’, and it still would have been accurate, it’s even got alliteration as a mnemonic device going for it :pac:


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    #2399
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    I do know that, I even said it myself earlier in the thread, that you could present a selection of the worst examples, and that’s all it would be, a small selection. They are in no way, shape or form representative of the vast majority of people who identify themselves as transgender

    Jack, 2 of the selection have been national political representatives, 1 sought political candidacy, 1 has claimed a female world sporting title where they justify themselves as representing women. They are by their very own definition - representative.


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    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    Jack, 2 of the selection have been national political representatives, 1 sought political candidacy, 1 has claimed a female world sporting title where they justify themselves as representing women. They are by their very own definition - representative.


    You appear to have overlooked the part after the word ‘representative’ - of the vast majority of people who identify themselves as transgender or something other than male or female, or man or woman, or anything else in any one of thousands of other languages besides English.

    What you’re doing is like me suggesting that JK is representative of the vast majority of women. She clearly isn’t, not by any measure or classification according to any system of taxonomy. It would be misleading were I to suggest such a thing, in the same way as it’s misleading when you do.


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    #2401
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    You appear to have overlooked the part after the word ‘representative’ - of the vast majority of people who identify themselves as transgender or something other than male or female, or man or woman, or anything else in any one of thousands of other languages besides English.

    What you’re doing is like me suggesting that JK is representative of the vast majority of women. She clearly isn’t, not by any measure or classification according to any system of taxonomy. It would be misleading were I to suggest such a thing, in the same way as it’s misleading when you do.

    They are specifically representing transgender people. Politics and sport. Oh I know they are embarrassingly nasty, but they are public reps. On trans issues.

    JK Rowling is supported by huge numbers of people. Her book sales have increased. She is very popular with a LOT of women. And representative.


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