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Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    The cases in Texas today include 1476 historical cases


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,811 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    The cases in Texas today include 1450 historical cases

    Yes, you're right, 2,622 new cases today which is still a new record.

    30% of the states entire hospital bed capacity has been lost since the governor ordered a 'reopening'.

    Then again he is a republican and ignorance goes with the territory (and so does disaster as a result).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1273023807343808513

    I had to do a double take at this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,811 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Gintonious wrote: »

    Dreadful toll courtesy of a dreadful administration run by a Trump parody stooge lunatic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,822 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Did the States ever have 34k cases in a day?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,865 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Gintonious wrote: »
    And that's assuming they're testing properly, which is a major doubt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,865 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    NDWC wrote: »
    Did the States ever have 34k cases in a day?
    Worldometer has their highest day as 39k.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,811 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    NDWC wrote: »
    Did the States ever have 34k cases in a day?

    Yes, circa 39,000 on April 24th.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Sheepdish1


    Tiger Roll wrote: »
    A friend said today that people are misunderstanding the pub/restaurant thing . The idea is to allow pubs to be restaurants , not pubs , they serve meals with which you can have a drink, 2 hour turnaround etc. Its not the case that you will be going to your local and having chicken and chips and drink for the night then.

    Oh no! That’s what I understood the rules to be. So there are no pubs until 20th July? I thought if you a meal there wouldn’t be a time limit :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,865 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Brazil has nearly 1 million cases with 1.6 million tests done, approximately 62.5% positivity rate.

    As well as that, they've done just 7000 tests per 1 million population. In comparison, we've done 78000 per million.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Yes, circa 39,000 on April 24th.

    I know Brazil has a large population and density etc, but dear god that is huge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Sheepdish1


    The reason there won't be a lockdown again is because it just isn't necessary. Look at the current phase of restrictions; the virus is not spreading with what we are currently allowed to do so we know that, if we had to again, we would just need to drop back to where we are now. If the next phase similarly does not result in an increased spread then we know we will only need to revert to that phase to curb the spread etc. The talk of lockdown needs to be put to bed once and for all in the context of the current crisis, even when discussing the potential second wave. The current phase of easing restrictions is our strictest measure needed.

    There is news of parts Beijing locking down again. It’s hard to decipher the truth and exaggerated reporting so I’m not going to pay much heed to it. Even if we had to revert to these measures they are still pretty severe in terms of the economy. They seem less severe compared to the 2km but overall they are quite severe to have to revert back to again. Hopefully that won’t be needed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,443 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Not to be the bearer of bad news and this hasn't been peer reviewed yet so could probably take it with a pinch/bag of salt.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/much-more-infectious-a-mutated-strain-of-the-novel-coronavirus-has-scientists-very-concerned/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Twice as many people under 60 have now died in Brazil which has a population of 210 m than all of the EU with a population 446 m.

    184,000 people have died in the EU, and only about 4% of these deaths were under 60 (roughly 7,300 people). 31% of Brazi's deaths are under 60, which is over 14,000 people.
    https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/05/22/in-brazil-covid-19-hitting-young-people-harder.html

    Given how few under 60's we saw hospitalised in Ireland and Europe in general it seems as though this high death rate among younger age groups cannot be attributed solely due to the poorer healthcare in the developing world. Most younger Europeans simply did not become very sick after contracting this virus and managed without hospitalisation fine, in Brazil , Mexico , India this does not appear to be the case. Certainly seems as though this diseases appears to just be a lot more dangerous among people who are not of European origin/ethnicity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,583 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Not to be the bearer of bad news and this hasn't been peer reviewed yet so could probably take it with a pinch/bag of salt.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/much-more-infectious-a-mutated-strain-of-the-novel-coronavirus-has-scientists-very-concerned/

    Looks like Daily Mirror type reporting and website hyping up something known for a while that has no real bearing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,443 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Looks like Daily Mirror type reporting and website hyping up something known for a while that has no real bearing

    Thought as much tbh! Guess with online news no it's the digital equivalent of paper never refusing ink. Think a lot of media could cut down on content if they had health editor/reporters but when articles get clicks either way probably not as much incentive.


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Not to be the bearer of bad news and this hasn't been peer reviewed yet so could probably take it with a pinch/bag of salt.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/much-more-infectious-a-mutated-strain-of-the-novel-coronavirus-has-scientists-very-concerned/

    Did you take it with a pinch of salt?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Not to be the bearer of bad news and this hasn't been peer reviewed yet so could probably take it with a pinch/bag of salt.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/much-more-infectious-a-mutated-strain-of-the-novel-coronavirus-has-scientists-very-concerned/

    So why link it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Not to be the bearer of bad news and this hasn't been peer reviewed yet so could probably take it with a pinch/bag of salt.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/much-more-infectious-a-mutated-strain-of-the-novel-coronavirus-has-scientists-very-concerned/

    Probably could take it with a pinch of salt, yeah.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    I knew I heard about that already:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-infectivity/mutation-in-new-coronavirus-increases-chance-of-infection-study-idUSKBN23M1M9

    From this unreviewed paper
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.069054v1

    https://futurism.com/neoscope/scientists-mutated-coronavirus
    "A team from Scripps Research have singled out one particular mutation, dubbed D614G, as a particularly-infectious strain of the virus, Reuters reports — and they say it could explain the massive death tolls in locations including New York City and Italy.

    This mutation was previously identified as one of the dominant forms of the coronavirus and linked to greater rates of transmission, but now the team thinks they know why it’s so dangerous.

    The surface of the coronavirus is covered in spike proteins that help it latch onto a host cell. It turns out that the D614G mutation gives the virus four to five times as many spikes. That makes it far more likely to glom onto and infect a cell, according to research shared online last week that’s currently awaiting peer review. The study also found that added spikes help keep the virus intact as it floats inside its host."

    I'll probably get slated for posting something unpleasant but what have you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,712 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    On the news regarding dexamethasone a full course of it costs 5 quid.

    Massive news for those who end up in ICU. The first of hopefully more promising treatments

    Even much cheaper in other countries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,443 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    So why link it?

    Was interested to hear other poster's thoughts on it. That's how a forum works, no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Almost 1 million Americans have now recovered from COVID, though this is likely in the region of 6 million recoveries in reality including cases not confirmed by tests.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Was interested to hear other poster's thoughts on it. That's how a forum works, no?

    You were wondering what other posters would think of a piece of research that has not passed peer review but you prefaced it with not wanting to be the bearer of bad news etc. Call me a cynic but I would question your motive for posting the link. That's just me though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,626 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    s1ippy wrote: »
    I knew I heard about that already:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-infectivity/mutation-in-new-coronavirus-increases-chance-of-infection-study-idUSKBN23M1M9

    From this unreviewed paper
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.069054v1

    https://futurism.com/neoscope/scientists-mutated-coronavirus
    "A team from Scripps Research have singled out one particular mutation, dubbed D614G, as a particularly-infectious strain of the virus, Reuters reports — and they say it could explain the massive death tolls in locations including New York City and Italy.

    This mutation was previously identified as one of the dominant forms of the coronavirus and linked to greater rates of transmission, but now the team thinks they know why it’s so dangerous.

    The surface of the coronavirus is covered in spike proteins that help it latch onto a host cell. It turns out that the D614G mutation gives the virus four to five times as many spikes. That makes it far more likely to glom onto and infect a cell, according to research shared online last week that’s currently awaiting peer review. The study also found that added spikes help keep the virus intact as it floats inside its host."

    I'll probably get slated for posting something unpleasant but what have you.

    Weren't people talking about this weeks ago?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,583 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Arghus wrote: »
    Weren't people talking about this weeks ago?

    Months ago - and was already the dominant strain with no determinable difference IIRC


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,588 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Twice as many people under 60 have now died in Brazil which has a population of 210 m than all of the EU with a population 446 m.

    184,000 people have died in the EU, and only about 4% of these deaths were under 60 (roughly 7,300 people). 31% of Brazi's deaths are under 60, which is over 14,000 people.
    https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/05/22/in-brazil-covid-19-hitting-young-people-harder.html

    Given how few under 60's we saw hospitalised in Ireland and Europe in general it seems as though this high death rate among younger age groups cannot be attributed solely due to the poorer healthcare in the developing world. Most younger Europeans simply did not become very sick after contracting this virus and managed without hospitalisation fine, in Brazil , Mexico , India this does not appear to be the case. Certainly seems as though this diseases appears to just be a lot more dangerous among people who are not of European origin/ethnicity.
    Its also plausible that far more of the under 60 demographic have caught the virus in brazil in relation to in europe - which would skew the death statistics also. There are a number of ways to read the data but ultimately it could be months or years down the line before some facts are extrapolated from it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,049 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Texas, with a population of 29 million, has so far peaked with 63 daily deaths on May 21st (Worldometer). State officials say they can increase hospital capacity beyond its current capacity if they need to, they don't seem worried. Should we assume they're lying?

    Posters here were talking about tens of millions of deaths two plus months ago. Its the hype around this virus which needs to be taken to an ICU.

    Unlike other anti-lockdown posters here I've never said there won't be a second wave. In fact I'd say if you have important stuff to do, do it before the weather begins to turn in October. But this isn't the Black Death. Shutting down the economy, and all social and cultural life, is a choice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,349 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    watlantic wrote: »
    No, the German minister for health was talking about testing for Corona virus, and stated the fact that with decreasing numbers of infections the German health system can be getting more false positives than actual Corona virus (Covid-19) cases. That is why he does not want to see more mass testing, but only 'targeted' testing on a minor scale instead. Makes sense, as the testing methods for Corona virus/ Covid-19 were never tested, but rushed to the market unverified, and it explains the huge number of positively tested patients who never develop any symptoms at all.
    The first test was developed by Prof. Christian Drosten, head of the virology research department at the Charite hospital in Berlin (annual turnover over 1,6 billion Euros, including subsidiaries in Berlin). The same virologist also first discovered and promoted this SARS-2 (CoV) virus and the previous SARS-1 virus.
    The sister hospital of the Charite is in Wuhan, as is the sister virology research facility, where they wanted a testing method urgently and he developed the test with his team of virologists in Berlin. From there it was rushed to Wuhan without verifying shortly after, as well as being published internationally to be copied and used for free, for which Drosten was much lauded. Drosten was also an advisor on virology to the German government during the initial outbreak in Europe, but has since his numerous appearances on chat shows where he is wont to spread doom and gloom, and his later controversial theory on children and their role in the spread of Covid-19 withdrawn from the limelight a bit and is no longer an adviser to the German minister for health, with whom he had various clashes before. Drosten himself has admitted that the Corona virus testing was/is not properly verified ''as there was no time''.
    Will he get a Nobel prize ? Probably. He's dynamite on his regular internet briefings, too (pun intended).
    BTW, I'm not that bothered one way or another and tired of the whole pandemonium. So back to the weather...

    There has been some evidence of different strains, with some being more virulent and causing serious Illness than others.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    There has been some evidence of different strains, with some being more virulent and causing serious Illness than others.

    The evidence seems very inconsistent. Other claims I've heard discussed how remarkably similar the strains of the virus are to the one another across the globe.


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