Madeleine McCann

I always felt the idea that the parents had any involvement was absolutely ludicrous to be honest. It was only something in play because of the incompetence of the Portuguese police, who were looking to pin it on someone.

When you look at the details, there is room for a conspiracy theory that involves the parents, people always find room. But from a common sense (considering all info available) and logistics point of view, it's absurd. It always was.

And I love a good conspiracy theory.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

True but they know he made a call that night and so it would be my guess that that they know who this person is, but maybe do not have enough evidence to charge them, and so released this information to draw that person out in someway.

I think they would need more than that to make the decision to write to the McCann family to tell them their daughter is dead though. You couldn't do that on hearsay or tenuous evidence or as some sort of bait to draw the killer out of hiding. In their statement, they have named the suspect and say they do not want to jeopardise the case against him, so they believe they have their man already.

They say they have 'concrete' proof she's dead. Whether that's photographic, audiovisual, DNA evidence or actual remains, no one but the police know, not even the McCanns if this report is to be believed.

I just hope, with all my heart, this case is finally solved and the McCanns can bury their baby and finally get some peace.

2u2me wrote: »

You're not contradicting that poster. The police may well have concrete evidence that Madeleine is dead, but not have concrete evidence about the owner of that other telephone number.

Oh, I see where I could have mistaken what he was saying. Fair play.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Anyone remember the 'You know what they're looking at?' scene in Heat? Wouldn't surprise me if that might be what's happening here to some degree. They leak all this info that they have evidence that Madeleine is dead perhaps to see what certain people might do, or say, or maybe even who visits a certain place they are surveilling. Just seems a little odd to be revealing this info in this manner otherwise.

Yeah, you're right -- keep in mind this is officially a murder investigation, not a missing persons case. They're trying to find evidence that links the suspect to the murder, presumably releasing tidbits of information in either the hopes that it appeals to witnesses to come forward and/or it baits someone of interest into doing something of interest. We'll see.

As someone said previously - The Germans know exactly what they are doing here. And they obviously know way more than they are releasing at the moment for the sake of the investigation.

It's so surreal seeing this all come to light thirteen years later.

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

Yeah, you're right -- keep in mind this is officially a murder investigation, not a missing persons case. They're trying to find evidence that links the suspect to the murder, presumably releasing tidbits of information in either the hopes that it appeals to witnesses to come forward and/or it baits someone of interest into doing something of interest. We'll see.

As someone said previously - The Germans know exactly what they are doing here. And they obviously know way more than they are releasing at the moment for the sake of the investigation.

It's so surreal seeing this all come to light thirteen years later.

I really hope it is coming together. I'm praying tonight for closure for this little girl so she can rest.

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

Logic says the girl has been dead for 13 years.


This was a disgusting robbery of a life not yet lived. There is no rest for her or her family. Not 13 years ago nor now. The what if's end, but the pain never rests.

If whoever took her life gets convicted and it stops another child being abused, tortured and killed, in the name of that little girl, I think most people would take that rather than nothing.

I think it would comfort her family...knowing that.

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

Very true but it's bittersweet. This guy has raped how many women, assaulted how many women and in jail only now, which I believe his current sentence is for robbery.


If this is the man, there was serious blunders in the investigation of Madeleine which lead to at least one elderly woman suffering a horrific rape. The Portuguese and German authorities have a lot to answer for.

His record wasn't available to them when Madeleine was abducted. It was linked to earlier this evening within the article about the German police contacting the McCanns. It's not black and white. It is bittersweet if it comes about but better late than never. People want to blame blame blame. Police, parents....what about the evil b@stard who did this....I am so angry I would love to see them lynched. I feel physically sick that someone could hurt a child. Especially a child.

Babooshka wrote: »

His record wasn't available to them when Madeleine was abducted. It was linked to earlier this evening within the article about the German police contacting the McCanns. It's not black and white. It is bittersweet if it comes about but better late than never. People want to blame blame blame. Police, parents....what about the evil b@stard who did this....I am so angry I would love to see them lynched. I feel physically sick that someone could hurt a child. Especially a child.

Hundreds of these cases happen every year, we just don't hear about them. That's at a conservative estimate of 1,300 children worldwide who have been taken and murdered since Madeleine.


He won't be lynched but even if he was, would that help the 1,300 others? More needs to be put into research and mental health. Catch these people before they do these horrible acts. There were obvious signs with this guy who should have been locked up. It's 13 years... how many others have had 13 years to do the same?


It's crazy when you think of the hurt in the world.

There is a higher probability of the German investigation coming to nothing than there is of anything concrete coming of this.

My reading of the latest situation is that the Germans are planning to explain their line of logic in treating the McCann case as a murder investigation rather than a missing persons case.

If they had anything solid they would have charged Brückner. It is highly irregular that they are commenting at all on an ongoing investigation. One can only speculate as to what their motives are. I expect their primary focus are the Inga Gehricke and René Hasee cases, as they are German kids.

Babooshka wrote: »

I completely agree with you. I hope Police globally are communicating more with each other about known paedophiles and sexual predators since then. I hope that GDPR laws don't interfere with it. I hope intelligence is being streamlined to wipe these f♤ckers out.

This is a false safety net many believe. The majority of sexual crime is committed by those without any previous convictions. For sex crimes it is close to 97% committed by, usually men who have no previous convictions. Adding in kidnapping or murder it's similar results.


That's the scary thing about this type of crime, statically there is no way to predict it. If this guy is guilty he is one of the few with previous, but even that wasn't enough to get him on the radar for the last 13 years... :rolleyes:


This case was bungled by the Portuguese for the last decade and it takes the Germans to come in and clear it all up.

SusieBlue wrote: »

Do you have to find something to criticise about absolutely everything?
Can you not appreciate the fact that we’re probably not being given all the details, and that more information will probably come to light in the public domain in the coming weeks?

It’s exhausting! This investigation by I’m sure experienced and clever people is not run in conjunction with boards.ie, we are mere nobodies being fed reports and statements that I’m sure are carefully crafted for whatever reason, we can all speculate but this isn’t a joint venture where we have access to every detail as it happens.

Seriously, I hope all the McCann haters can now maybe let it go, these people made a huge and reckless mistake, it bugs me that they were too cheap for a babysitter but they’ve also had the worst, unluckiest, horriblest thing life could ever throw at anyone happen to them

Being two decent skins who actually SAVE people’s lives everyday seemed to go against them in the court of online forums, weird.

God bless them

Didn't all of the evidence for this case suggest that Madeline died in the apartment in which the McCann's were staying (the sniffer dogs etc..) and that the McCann's had serious loopholes in their story?

The fact that it has come to light that a serious German sex criminal was living in the area is of huge consequence but surely this information cannot just be coming to light 13 years later?

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Didn't all of the evidence for this case suggest that Madeline died in the apartment in which the McCann's were staying (the sniffer dogs etc..) and that the McCann's had serious loopholes in their story?

The fact that it has come to light that a serious German sex criminal was living in the area is of huge consequence but surely this information cannot just be coming to light 13 years later?

No, not when you look at it logically.
The dogs used on that case were unreliable, a year or so after they worked on Madeleines case they gave a positive reaction for human remains at a site in the UK that later turned out to be a coconut shell and not a child’s skull. They were retired from service not long after.
As for the reaction to the car, the handler very clearly calls the dog back to the McCann vehicle 3/4 times and doesn’t stop until the dog gives a positive reaction.
The handler didn’t do this to any other car in the car park. The car in question wasn’t rented until 25 days after Madeleine disappeared.
Which raises the question that if Madeleine had been in that car, where on earth did they hide her body for 25 days under the glare of the worlds media and the police watching their every move.

In fairness, the handler made it very clear on several occasions that the dogs can only be used to corroborate physical evidence, of which none has ever been found against Kate & Gerry.

The biggest issue is that the police took over an hour to show up at the Ocean Club the night Madeleine disappeared. In that hour, up to 30 people were in and out of the apartment.
Even after the police showed up, they didn’t close it off as a crime scene or preserve it whatsoever.
Unidentified finger prints & hair samples were recovered but they were so contaminated by the DNA of people who were trying to help find Madeleine (other tourists, hotel staff, police etc) they’ve never been able to test them properly.
If the crime scene had been properly preserved who knows what evidence against the abductor could have been found.

There actually seems to have been a huge amount of pedophiles living in the immediate area, and other Portuguese children were sexually assaulted and went missing around that time too.

Rui Pedro is an extremely sad case, he went missing about 8/9 years before Madeleine iirc and even though he has never been found or returned to his family, images of him being sexually abused were recovered when the police busted an international pedophile ring and it turns out he was one of their victims.
It’s terrifying to even think that things like this are even happening out there.

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I don't understand your logic, specially after reading today's headline on Sky News news ...

A German prosecutor has written to the parents of Madeline McCann, telling them he had "concrete evidence" she is dead.

Hans Christian Wolters said in a letter to Kate and Gerry McCann that he has no doubt their daughter is dead, but refused to tell them why. He told them that to reveal the evidence would jeopardise the investigation into the German suspect known as Christian B.

So there is concrete evidence she is dead, yes?

Yes this is a puzzling contradiction.

A poster further back in this thread suggested that it may mean a photo or video has been found. Perverts often do video their crimes - C B was known to do so. (the rape of the American lady)

If a photo of Madeline deceased was found among the confiscated computer and phone files - that is concrete evidence for the parents, but may not PROVE he was the perpetrator.

It must be something like that - a yes-but-no kind of situation.