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  • #272
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,802 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    pearcider wrote:
    You’re a small minded and tiresome poster with little in the way of intelligence that I can see.

    Timberrrrrrrr wrote:
    That's not very Christian of you, love thy neighbour and all that shìte right?


    Rein the aggro down a couple of notches


  • #273
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    pearcider wrote: »
    Satan rules the world.

    Right, when did he start ruling the world, was there a start date? and what happened on that day?


  • #274
    [Deleted User]
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    pearcider wrote: »
    No it isn’t because the satanic world order could not exist at any time in history since Christ except now. Now we have the technology to make his domination real.

    Erm, so previous generations have had lynchings, a slave trade that colonialism was built off of. Then back a bit further, witch trials, crusades, Spanish inquisitions and the ability to buy your way into heaven with indulgences. But it's now that Satan has taken over? You really think that the current generation is where the moral deficit is because people don't go to mass?

    Tell me, what are these moral failures that makes us so much worse?


  • #275
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Callie Billions Author wrote: »
    You may be the rare exception. Perhaps your defence of all things Islamic could be a factor at play here? i.e. your're not a genuine athiest, or still have one foot somewhere else.

    Cut this out.


  • #276
    pearcider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭pearcider


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Right, when did he start ruling the world, was there a start date? and what happened on that day?

    You are tiresome and I won’t debate a poster like you who seeks to catch people out with cheap sarcasm and childish jibes. I doubt you have one honest bone in your body. You are at best a cynical skeptic, bitter and closed minded to the beauty and wonder of the world. At worst you are his servant whether you know it or not.

    Regarding the problem of evil. You only have to look at the world and who rules it to see the truth of the matter.


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  • #277
    pearcider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭pearcider


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Erm, so previous generations have had lynchings, a slave trade that colonialism was built off of. Then back a bit further, witch trials, crusades, Spanish inquisitions and the ability to buy your way into heaven with indulgences. But it's now that Satan has taken over? You really think that the current generation is where the moral deficit is because people don't go to mass?

    Tell me, what are these moral failures that makes us so much worse?

    Christianity abolished most of those ills by gradual reform of the human spirit. Christianity transformed the horrific Roman Empire into the incredibly forward looking and modern Byzantine empire which had no slavery or lynching but was ruled by law codified under Justin the Great and which we still use. Unfortunately it was destroyed by the money men of Venice and the Moslems of Turkey. Woe to the day when Constantinople fell, the jewel of Christendom.


  • #278
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    pearcider wrote: »
    You are tiresome and I won’t debate a poster like you who seeks to catch people out with cheap sarcasm and childish jibes. I doubt you have one honest bone in your body. You are at best a cynical skeptic, bitter and closed minded to the beauty and wonder of the world. At worst you are his servant whether you know it or not.

    Regarding the problem of evil. You only have to look at the world and who rules it to see the truth of the matter.

    I'm asking straightforward questions.

    If you are stating something as fact on a public forum, then you should at least be able to support it in some way

    If you can't, then at least be honest and preface it as a personal opinion, which it seems to be


  • #279
    [Deleted User]
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    pearcider wrote: »
    Christianity abolished most of those ills by gradual reform of the human spirit. Christianity transformed the horrific Roman Empire into the incredibly forward looking and modern Byzantine empire which had no slavery or lynching but was ruled by law codified under Justin the Great and which we still use. Unfortunately it was destroyed by the money men of Venice and the Moslems of Turkey. Woe to the day when Constantinople fell the jewel of Christendom.

    And you haven't answered my question. Slavery and lynching are in far more recent memory btw. But why is it that you view the current generation to be at such a moral deficit?


  • #280
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    pearcider wrote: »
    You are not an honest debater. You’re a one liner merchant.

    Right and your one-liner was "Satan rules the world", which you apparently avoid taking questions on

    It's not exactly a strong case you have there..


  • #281
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    pearcider wrote: »
    I won’t debate a poster like you who seeks to catch people out with cheap sarcasm and childish jibes.

    Can't we all have a discussion instead of a debate?     :(


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  • #282
    pearcider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭pearcider


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And you haven't answered my question. Slavery and lynching are in far more recent memory btw. But why is it that you view the current generation to be at such a moral deficit?

    I didn’t say that. I just said the architecture of the beast system is now possible which it wasn’t in the 1800 years up until now. You can make your own judgements on how moral or otherwise people are today. My view is that people are the same as they’ve always been. But now the dark powers manipulate people and that rule the Earth are many times more powerful than they were in the past.


  • #283
    pearcider
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Right and your one-liner was "Satan rules the world", which you apparently avoid taking questions on

    It's not exactly a strong case you have there..

    Well I actually quoted the Bible first and you were confused with that. The passage makes clear who rules the world.


  • #284
    [Deleted User]
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    pearcider wrote: »
    I didn’t say that. I just said the architecture of the beast system is now possible which it wasn’t in the 1800 years up until now. You can make your own judgements on how moral or otherwise people are today. My view is that people are the same as they’ve always been. But now the dark powers manipulate people and that rule the Earth are many times more powerful than they were in the past.

    And I would say pretty much every generation since the industrial revolution could make such a vague claim. The invention of electricity, air travel, evolutions in telecommunications. Introduction of satellites and in more recent times, the claim has been made about barcodes.


  • #285
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    pearcider wrote: »
    Well I actually quoted the Bible first and you were confused with that. The passage makes clear who rules the world.

    You quoted some very vague stuff from an old book. The vagueness is always deliberate. To demonstrate:

    e.g. "Satan" has ruled the world since when exactly? in what way?

    Fiction is always light on details and in this case, highly subjective. Whatever you are coming up with is basically your personal interpretation of something. Can't read your mind, hence the questions.


  • #286
    pearcider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭pearcider


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And I would say pretty much every generation since the industrial revolution could make such a vague claim. The invention of electricity, air travel, evolutions in telecommunications. Introduction of satellites and in more recent times, the claim has been made about barcodes.

    There is a very specific claim at stake here. That is the mark of the beast that nobody on the Earth may buy and sell without this mark. There is absolutely no way this could be possible up until quite recently as we had no SWIFT and no smart phones and no satellites. Cut it any way you wish but this is a deeply disturbing fact to a believer such as myself.


  • #287
    pearcider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭pearcider


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You quoted some very vague stuff from an old book. The vagueness is always deliberate. To demonstrate:

    e.g. "Satan" has ruled the world since when exactly? in what way?

    Fiction is always light on details and in this case, highly subjective. Whatever you are coming up with is basically your personal interpretation of something. Can't read your mind, hence the questions.

    The fact that you denigrate the Bible as just another “old book” says it all to me. I won’t be replying to you again.


  • #288
    [Deleted User]
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    pearcider wrote: »
    There is a very specific claim at stake here. That is the mark of the beast that nobody on the Earth may buy and sell without this mark. There is absolutely no way this could be possible up until quite recently as we had no SWIFT and no smart phones and no satellites. Cut it any way you wish but this is a deeply disturbing fact to a believer such as myself.
    But with barcodes tattoo ed onto the hand and forehead, a shopkeeper could scan them before buying or selling things.
    This would actually fit the description in the Bible.

    What's being suggested with current technology does not match the description in the Bible as either it's not something in the hand or the forehead or its not a mark.

    So it's a bit weird to claim you believe the Bible while also saying the Bibles description is wrong.

    The idea of barcodes being the mark of the beast is more accurate than what's being claimed now.


  • #289
    [Deleted User]
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    pearcider wrote: »
    There is a very specific claim at stake here. That is the mark of the beast that nobody on the Earth may buy and sell without this mark. There is absolutely no way this could be possible up until quite recently as we had no SWIFT and no smart phones and no satellites. Cut it any way you wish but this is a deeply disturbing fact to a believer such as myself.

    And barcodes were previously treated as the mark. Other things that could be the mark, credit cards and cheques. Or even to go further back, currencies in general. You can't buy and sell without money so what's to say that isn't the mark? You can make it suit whatever you want.


  • #290
    one world order
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭one world order


    Bible says this world is controlled by the evil one and warns us not to be deceived. This is a book written over 1,500 years, about 2,000 years ago and is proving to be true when you look at today's world and the evil controlling it who are working behind the scenes. It also says we are sinners which separates us from God. This was the reason why we needed a saviour as Jesus took the punishment for our sins.


  • #291
    [Deleted User]
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    Hey at least people aren't pretending that this whole thing isn't a fringe religious conspiracy theory any more.

    Doesn't it feel good to be direct and honest about it?


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  • #292
    pearcider
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    King Mob wrote: »
    But with barcodes tattoo ed onto the hand and forehead, a shopkeeper could scan them before buying or selling things.
    This would actually fit the description in the Bible.

    What's being suggested with current technology does not match the description in the Bible as either it's not something in the hand or the forehead or its not a mark.

    So it's a bit weird to claim you believe the Bible while also saying the Bibles description is wrong.

    The idea of barcodes being the mark of the beast is more accurate than what's being claimed now.

    Barcodes would be easy to get around if we still had cash and currency and this would not be a good system. Now however we face a never ending war on cash and all financial transactions are recorded on central databases in real time. Furthermore all governments and their intelligence services have built up the system from the ground up. See Ed Snowden etc. The system also needs real time surveillance with cctv and facial recognition. All only possible in the last few years and unthinkable in 100AD.


  • #293
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    one world order wrote: »
    Bible says this world is controlled by the evil one and warns us not to be deceived. This is a book written over 1,500 years, about 2,000 years ago and is proving to be true when you look at today's world and the evil controlling it who are working behind the scenes. It also says we are sinners which separates us from God. This was the reason why we needed a saviour as Jesus took the punishment for our sins.

    Or perhaps it's all made up like hundreds of other beliefs and religions because human beings haven't had the means to explain stuff for much of our existence

    Perhaps it's supposed to be taken metaphorically as a blueprint for living (in a time when there weren't governments), instead of being taken literally..


  • #294
    Ipso
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    one world order wrote: »
    Bible says this world is controlled by the evil one and warns us not to be deceived. This is a book written over 1,500 years, about 2,000 years ago and is proving to be true when you look at today's world and the evil controlling it who are working behind the scenes. It also says we are sinners which separates us from God. This was the reason why we needed a saviour as Jesus took the punishment for our sins.

    Just today’s world? What about the tribes slaughtered by gods chosen people, the crusades, thirty years war etc
    Not exactly fun times.


  • #295
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    pearcider wrote: »
    Barcodes would be easy to get around if we still had cash and currency and this would not be a good system. .
    Same is true for quantum dot tattoos or whatever it is you believe.

    Satan or whoever could have also banned cash to force people to use the mark system with bar codes.
    pearcider wrote: »

    The system also needs real time surveillance with cctv and facial recognition.
    Which part of the Bible states this?


  • #296
    one world order
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭one world order


    Ipso wrote: »
    Just today’s world? What about the tribes slaughtered by gods chosen people, the crusades, thirty years war etc
    Not exactly fun times.

    The tribes that existed when the Jews took over that area after coming out of Egypt were ungodly. They sacrificed their young, worshipped false Gods and had to be wiped out for a new nation to be created that kept God's commandments, but ultimately a new covenant for all mankind was required.


  • #297
    one world order
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭one world order


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Or perhaps it's all made up like hundreds of other beliefs and religions because human beings haven't had the means to explain stuff for much of our existence

    Perhaps it's supposed to be taken metaphorically as a blueprint for living (in a time when there weren't governments), instead of being taken literally..

    It is still relevant today as it was 2,000 years ago. Jesus is still at work in many people's lives around the world. He has rescued the lost and given meaning and purpose to many. Jesus has shown some people what hell and heaven are really like and it has resulted in their lives been changed forever.


  • #298
    Dohnjoe
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    one world order wrote: »
    It is still relevant today as it was 2,000 years ago. Jesus is still at work in many people's lives around the world. He has rescued the lost and given meaning and purpose to many. Jesus has shown some people what hell and heaven are really like and it has resulted in their lives been changed forever.

    Skipped Auschwitz and Rwanda, but suppose there's a moral lesson in there somewhere, or some cheap vagueness to explain it away..


  • #299
    one world order
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Skipped Auschwitz and Rwanda, but suppose there's a moral lesson in there somewhere, or some cheap vagueness to explain it away..

    Both committed by man's sinful nature.


  • #300
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    one world order wrote: »
    Both committed by man's sinful nature.

    Always man's fault when it's convenient, but divine when it isn't. Odd that


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  • #301
    one world order
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭one world order


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Always man's fault when it's convenient, but divine when it isn't. Odd that

    We have free will to accept God or reject him.


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