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Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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  • #4892
    Hmmzis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    In case anyone wants to be informed on the potential pitfalls and hazards of treatments and vaccines, this is the best I've read in a long time:

    https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/06/15/what-might-go-wrong

    Easy to read, to the point and says it like it is.
    Btw. Derek Lowe is the usual skeptic of things until data shows it to be otherwise.


  • #4893
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes but it's unfair to say people are scaremongering when they are just stating either facts or their own opinion.
    Let's leave that to the" restrictions " thread , please.

    Facts without context are misleading. Some posters aspire to mislead in an overtly negative way. Revelling in misery, using phrases like 'Strap yourself in' when referring to high case numbers in other countries.


  • #4894
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,349 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    jackboy wrote: »
    I would be very sceptical. Sounds like a scam. There is a mad rush to get a vaccine out there, a lot of money to be made. The pressure to release ineffective vaccines is huge.

    Yes. They must be devastated after all that research and investment if it only reduces the effects of the virus.
    But that is what a lot of treatments do , so some treatment is better than nothing .
    I'd take it !


  • #4895
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,349 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Facts without context are misleading. Some posters aspire to mislead in an overtly negative way. Revelling in misery, using phrases like 'Strap yourself in' when referring to high case numbers in other countries.

    What facts were quoted without context by me?


  • #4896
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Let's leave that to the" restrictions " thread , please.

    So you seek to control how people comment or how they respond to 'facts'?


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  • #4897
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭Polar101


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Surely the 1.7m figure is at a push the answer to 'have you ever worn a face mask in public'?

    Was all around Dublin city centre today, saw thousands of people, at most 1 in 20 had a face mask on but that would be a very generous estimate, it was probably more like 1 in 50 people or even 1 in 100

    I went to a shopping centre at around 10 am today, and I was surprised at how many people were actually wearing masks. I'd say almost half of the people I saw had masks on inside the centre. But 1/3 sounds very high as an overall figure.


  • #4898
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,349 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Where did i say you were scaremongering? I was just stating facts liver damage is rare due to Covid 19. Seems you didn’t like my post stating that fact for some reason.

    I was replying to an other poster ..


  • #4899
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    mean gene wrote: »
    And for most it's a simple cold

    Total Bull.

    Did you have it?

    Two of my friends had it and far from a cold it was.

    This crap needs to be stamped out. "Mild" does not mean it's a walk in the park.


  • #4900
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    What facts were quoted without context by me?

    Not you. Others


  • #4901
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,349 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So you seek to control how people comment or how they respond to 'facts'?

    Again , where did I say I was trying "to control " anyone ?
    Are you trolling me because I disagreed with you?


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  • #4902
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,553 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes but it's unfair to say people are scaremongering when they are just stating either facts or their own opinion.
    Let's leave that to the" restrictions " thread , please.

    Are you a mod ?? Telling people where to post.

    Yes there are posters on this thread that seem to take pleasure in presenting bad news while not balancing it out with the current situation in Ireland and the EU.


  • #4903
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,225 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes. They must be devastated after all that research and investment if it only reduces the effects of the virus.
    But that is what a lot of treatments do , so some treatment is better than nothing .
    I'd take it !

    Proven treatments. There are no proven treatments yet. A lot are spouting rubbish, bigging up the treatments they are working on. That is not science. That is people looking to get rich.


  • #4904
    thegills
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭thegills


    ixoy wrote:
    Well the worldwide case numbers can hardly drop can they?


    Did we not just have a daily record for new infections @ 130k?


  • #4905
    Hmmzis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    The fact they already know this is really good. Mightn't be that far away. I'd take it no bother if it was like the common cold.

    There are some innacuracies in the article.
    The viral load in monkeys noses was the same in both vaccinated and unvaccinated.
    The viral load in the lungs was below detection limits in the vaccinated ones, while the unvaccinated ones had a bad case of pneumonia.
    The vaccinated group showed no signs of clinical disease, while the unvaccinated were doing rather poorly.

    My hope is that in reality the viral doses are lower than what Oxford used in the challenge study and at worst one might get a sniffle for a day or two if vaccinated and getting infected by this.


  • #4906
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Vast majority of cases in Lombardy still with 250+ cases, the next highest number in another region is 11. Madness. Good to see the death rate reducing but it's a long tail.

    Has there been any kind of official report or statement about why there was such an explosion of positive cases and deaths in Lombardy by comparison to the rest of Italy?


  • #4907
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,349 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Are you a mod ?? Telling people where to post.

    Yes there are posters on this thread that seem to take pleasure in presenting bad news while not balancing it out with the current situation in Ireland and the EU.

    Just as there are posters who take pleasure in cutting others down just because they don't agree with their opinion or anything that they are presenting.
    I have not told people where to post .
    I am not a mod ..are you?


  • #4908
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    @ golden girl

    Would you kindly provide me with a reference to this statement:

    If an airline is not trying to seat passengers at a safe distance apart , or does not clean surfaces after every flight , it is not safe to fly with them at the present time.
    Not unless you clean every surface you use yourself eg handles, seat backs, trays , belts .


  • #4909
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Facts without context are misleading. Some posters aspire to mislead in an overtly negative way. Revelling in misery, using phrases like 'Strap yourself in' when referring to high case numbers in other countries.

    That ‘Strap yourself in’ post was vile. I basically read it in real time. Definitely a small minority on here are using all this to fill their day, that there is no doubt.


  • #4910
    Sheepdish1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Sheepdish1


    rooney30 wrote: »
    Luke ONeill on Clair Byrne tonight reckons it’s looking good for an antibody therapy to be ready for as early as August. Will be a complete game changer . We will be in coopers yet this Xmas lads !

    I really like this guy, always has something positive to add.


  • #4911
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,553 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Hmmzis wrote: »
    There are some innacuracies in the article.
    The viral load in monkeys noses was the same in both vaccinated and unvaccinated.
    The viral load in the lungs was below detection limits in the vaccinated ones, while the unvaccinated ones had a bad case of pneumonia.
    The vaccinated group showed no signs of clinical disease, while the unvaccinated were doing rather poorly.

    My hope is that in reality the viral doses are lower than what Oxford used in the challenge study and at worst one might get a sniffle for a day or two if vaccinated and getting infected by this.

    I'm pretty sure I read an earlier article on the trial that said the viral load that they were exposed to was much greater than someone would ever be exposed to.

    If the vacinne doesn't stop you getting covid but as you say reduces it down to basically a dose of the sniffles or a mild headcold it really is a win win for everyone


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  • #4912
    Sheepdish1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Sheepdish1


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Not really, this is actual severe physical scarring, not an x-ray.

    Why would someone be getting a transplant if they had covid 19? Sorry I’m lost


  • #4913
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,822 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    nocoverart wrote: »
    That ‘Strap yourself in’ post was vile. I basically read it in real time. Definitely a small minority on here are using all this to fill their day, that there is no doubt.

    I think a lot of it is them just wanting to say "I told you so" if infections spike. Either that or they want everyone else to be as miserable as they are. It's sad really.


  • #4914
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's realistic to expect an antibody treatment within a few months. It's going to be expensive, and they'll have to manufacture it so it'll be in short supply. But it's easy to test and trials are underway already.

    Antibody treatment first which will help some people and protect front-line staff, with hopefully a vaccine following which can be given to the general population.

    If antibody treatment is available to frontline workers you would have to hope teachers will take the treatment as part of accepting full size classrooms


  • #4915
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Sheepdish1 wrote: »
    Why would someone be getting a transplant if they had covid 19? Sorry I’m lost

    Lungs were so badly damaged by covid that she needed a transplant as a result.


  • #4916
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,553 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Just as there are posters who take pleasure in cutting others down just because they don't agree with their opinion or anything that they are presenting.
    I have not told people where to post .
    I am not a mod ..are you?

    By all means present an opinion but please have some balance and accept that things aren't currently in a dire situation in this part of the world, also don't present opinion as fact, that tends to happen alot around here where some posters from both sides of the debate attempt to present their opinion as being cast iron fact.

    I am not and would not tell someone where to post or even suggest it as it goes against site rules, you told someone "lets leave that to the restrictions thread please". That looks like trying to tell someone where to post.


  • #4917
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Sheepdish1 wrote: »
    Why would someone be getting a transplant if they had covid 19? Sorry I’m lost

    I'm not sure of that part of the story either...


  • #4918
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭MOR316


    NDWC wrote: »
    I think a lot of it is them just wanting to say "I told you so" if infections spike. Either that or they want everyone else to be as miserable as they are. It's sad really.

    I can absolutely vouch for this.

    I live with someone who thrives on the negativity.

    When cases reduces, he says: "Well it's not good news is it? People are dead!"
    Small cluster found in China: "SEE... SEEEEEEEE!!! IT'S COMING BACK!! WE NEED TO LOCK EVERYTHING DOWN BEFORE IT SPREADS AND WE DIE"

    Not having a go at anyone here but, ****ing hell!!! It's beyond tedious listening to such misery

    Of course, it's something that should and is being taking seriously but, the constant negativity is grating


  • #4919
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Total Bull.

    Did you have it?

    Two of my friends had it and far from a cold it was.

    This crap needs to be stamped out. "Mild" does not mean it's a walk in the park.[/QUOTE]

    Sadly many delusional ones believe that it is.


  • #4920
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Sheepdish1 wrote: »
    Why would someone be getting a transplant if they had covid 19? Sorry I’m lost

    Covid19 destroyed their lungs.
    China did the worlds first lung transplant in Feb (i think) and now the first in the states has been done. These are young (20's), fit people who's lungs are unusable after the disease.

    I imagine any older or with an underlying condition, they would just be a statistic now.


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  • #4921
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure I read an earlier article on the trial that said the viral load that they were exposed to was much greater than someone would ever be exposed to.

    If the vacinne doesn't stop you getting covid but as you say reduces it down to basically a dose of the sniffles or a mild headcold it really is a win win for everyone

    Yeah the viral load was far beyond anything even a doctor working a covid ward would be exposed to. I'm fairly optimistic despite some people feeling that it's a cash in on oxfords and astrazenecas part. I think that's a bit cynical considering there's not a whole lot of profit in vaccine programmes and they've already pledege to manufacture non profit.


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