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General Election and Government Formation Megathread (see post #1)

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  • #5162
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    McGrath reported as saying Micheal is getting the top job first on RTÉ this morning.

    I really hope the Greens reject this deal.

    I can't face that charlatan as Taoiseach.
    Be prepared to face it. The other option is the rest of the summer with our government and an election in September or October.


  • #5163
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    frw5 wrote: »
    So overall nothing changes. No burning issues are addressed, everything is put under the carpet, people didn't get what they voted for. And bare in mind they are managing basically one medium large city and can't do even that. Starting plans on leaving the country.
    It's always the case that some people never get what they voted for. It's down to blocks of TDs agreeing a deal. That's democracy.


  • #5164
    frw5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭frw5


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's always the case that some people never get what they voted for. It's down to blocks of TDs agreeing a deal. That's democracy.
    Democracy would be technocracy/letting the wisest decide and the majority of votes prevailing.
    This is a "coins marketplace" we have right now in our politics.


  • #5165
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,606 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    frw5 wrote: »
    Democracy would be technocracy/letting the wisest decide and the majority of votes prevailing.
    This is a "coins marketplace" we have right now in our politics.

    And who would decide who the wisest are?

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #5166
    Cal4567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Cal4567


    For the life of me I cannot see FF surviving this if they go into government with FG. How will they be able to differentiate themselves from FG and criticise?

    Never mind the Green members, but will FF members support this? I guess like a decade ago we will see soundbites such as 'unprecedented extraordinary times' etc.


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  • #5167
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,462 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    To all the people saying "nobody voted for this", do they actually understand our system at all?


  • #5168
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,163 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    frw5 wrote: »
    So overall nothing changes. No burning issues are addressed, everything is put under the carpet, people didn't get what they voted for. And bare in mind they are managing basically one medium sized city and can't do even that. Starting plans on leaving the country. + the co2 nonsense and expenditure around that in a country with 6 million people. Shocking.


    >50% of people voted for this.
    Do you not understand simple maths?

    namloc1980 wrote: »
    To all the people saying "nobody voted for this", do they actually understand our system at all?
    +1
    I think there should be an IQ test before being allowed to vote.
    People claiming SF won the election and "de peeple voted for change" with less than 1/4 of the votes and the second highest number of seats, is risible.


    FF+FG+GP have over 50% of the seats, and over 50% of the vote.


  • #5169
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Shelga wrote: »
    I gave the SDs my #1 and I don't think I'll do that again, as it's clear they just want to snipe from the sidelines.

    Would never vote for Sinn Fein in a million years.

    All of the options are rubbish. But think FG is the only way to go at this point. We need stable government.

    I voted SD too but I think the election result was perfect. It forced FG and FF together for the first time ever. They are 2 sides of the same coin but this coalition should end the civil war politics nonsense. I hope they merge into 1 party and maybe we can get better opposition parties.


  • #5170
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,163 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    I voted SD too but I think the election result was perfect. It forced FG and FF together for the first time ever. They are 2 sides of the same coin but this coalition should end the civil war politics nonsense. I hope they merge into 1 party and maybe we can get better opposition parties.
    To be honest I think that's the way it should go.
    Then we can have some serious political management and ideology discussions. A centre-right party (FFG) and a left wing party (SF) as the two main parties would make sense.


  • #5171
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Who is getting what job in the new cabinet?


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  • #5172
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,462 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    mariaalice wrote: »
    Who is getting what job in the new cabinet?

    Unknown at this point.


  • #5173
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,163 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    mariaalice wrote: »
    Who is getting what job in the new cabinet?
    That's the big question!


  • #5174
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,414 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Michael Martin in till 23, then Leo back in apparently.

    https://twitter.com/TodayRadioRTE/status/1272480139490799618


  • #5175
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    ELM327 wrote: »
    To be honest I think that's the way it should go.
    Then we can have some serious political management and ideology discussions. A centre-right party (FFG) and a left wing party (SF) as the two main parties would make sense.

    Neither FG or FF are right wing at all though?

    But yeah, it would be nice to have some choice in ideology and approaches


  • #5176
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,913 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    frw5 wrote: »
    So overall nothing changes. No burning issues are addressed, everything is put under the carpet, people didn't get what they voted for. And bare in mind they are managing basically one medium sized city and can't do even that. Starting plans on leaving the country. + the co2 nonsense and expenditure around that in a country with 6 million people. Shocking.

    What people? 24%?


  • #5177
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    From what I have seen of the programme for government so far I think the Greens have really maximised their clout given their relatively small number of seats. I look forward to seeing the usual suspects in the party call for it's rejection though.


  • #5178
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,163 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    Neither FG or FF are right wing at all though?

    But yeah, it would be nice to have some choice in ideology and approaches


    They are right wing by comparison to the others here! They are at best centre right. FF even less so.


    (I'm an extreme right wing voter, think the PDs or renua, without the religious nonsense)


  • #5179
    frw5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭frw5


    beggars_bush wrote: »
    What people? 24%?
    If the party which was already in place got a small percentage of votes, FG, and after the elections nothing has changed, what do you mean by what people or what change?


  • #5180
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    ELM327 wrote: »
    They are right wing by comparison to the others here! They are at best centre right. FF even less so.


    (I'm an extreme right wing voter, think the PDs or renua, without the religious nonsense)

    Oh yeah, totally agree. I think the phrase is "best of a bad lot"


  • #5181
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,686 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Mad, the ball is in FG court after this pandemic, I'd be calling for an election again if I was Leo. Martin is a awful and represents the old gaurd of FF.


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  • #5182
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    To all the people saying "nobody voted for this", do they actually understand our system at all?

    Do all the people who post about voters not understanding the system understand that Michael Martin explicitly ruled out coaltion with Fine Gael during the election?

    Probably not, memory issues I'd say :D


  • #5183
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,139 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Bambi wrote: »
    To all the people who post about voters dont understanding the system understand that Michael Martin explicitly ruled out coaltion with Fianna Fail during the election?

    Probably not, memory issues I'd say :D

    That's some achievement to rule out coalition with his own party.


  • #5184
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    That's some achievement to rule out coalition with his own party.

    He's noted for his cautious approach :D


  • #5185
    StupidLikeAFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,805 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Michael Martin 2 weeks before the election:
    Speaking to reporters in Dublin on Thursday, Mr Martin said: “People want change, that’s the message we’re receiving, they want Fine Gael out of office and we’ve made it very clear we want to go into government with other centre parties, clearly Labour and the Greens are the ones we’d be interested going into government with, but that’s to be determined by the people.

    “Fine Gael need to come out of government, they’ve been there too long, they haven’t delivered on key issues such as housing, health and the impact of cost of living on many people.

    “The people want a new government, that means a completely new government.”

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/election-2020-miche%C3%A1l-martin-rules-out-fianna-f%C3%A1il-fine-gael-grand-coalition-1.4149063


  • #5186
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    rob316 wrote: »
    Mad, the ball is in FG court after this pandemic, I'd be calling for an election again if I was Leo. Martin is a awful and represents the old gaurd of FF.

    I'm sure they'd love a General Election. They just don't want to be seen to be calling one in the middle of a Pandemic. A lot of them will be hoping the Greens don't get the 2/3 majority.


  • #5187
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,462 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Bambi wrote: »
    Do all the people who post about voters not understanding the system understand that Michael Martin explicitly ruled out coaltion with Fine Gael during the election?

    Probably not, memory issues I'd say :D

    Unfortunately for him that's not how the election went.


  • #5188
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    ELM327 wrote: »
    They are right wing by comparison to the others here! They are at best centre right. FF even less so.


    (I'm an extreme right wing voter, think the PDs or renua, without the religious nonsense)

    I'd say FF are more centre left and FG are centre. I would have considered FG centre right before they got into government but they moved during it. There's no credible right wing party atm, particularly economically right.


  • #5189
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,163 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    titan18 wrote: »
    I'd say FF are more centre left and FG are centre. I would have considered FG centre right before they got into government but they moved during it. There's no credible right wing party atm, particularly economically right.
    I agree 100%


  • #5190
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    ELM327 wrote: »
    (I'm an extreme right wing voter, think the PDs or renua, without the religious nonsense)

    Renua without religion? Did you ever try whiskey without alcohol?


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  • #5191
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    feargale wrote: »
    Renua without religion? Did you ever try whiskey without alcohol?

    Their fiscal conservatism is why I voted for them in 2016. They didn't run a candidate in my area in 2020. I don't agree with the religous stuff, but I don't care about it enough to not vote for them when I agree with a lot of the economic parts.


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