Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

mloc123 · 14-06-2020 09:18PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It doesn't really make sense for a quarter of the country to have way over half of our cases. Something went wrong in Dublin and even Leinster as a hole. Kildare has nearly 4 times more cases than Galway despite having a smaller population. Density could be argued but I think Cork proves that wrong with such a low case number per 100,000.

What county is Kildare beside... and where do a large section of people living in Kildare work... no mystery there.

MipMap · 14-06-2020 09:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It doesn't really make sense for a quarter of the country to have way over half of our cases. Something went wrong in Dublin and even Leinster as a hole. Kildare has nearly 4 times more cases than Galway despite having a smaller population. Density could be argued but I think Cork proves that wrong with such a low case number per 100,000.

Commuter Belt? viruses love it when people mill around and mix with each other. Also Luas, Dart etc., nothing like them in Cork (I assume -seldom go there)
Also the care homes skewed all the stats as well.

drunkmonkey · 14-06-2020 09:22PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

So we should cut Dublin off but keep airport and ferry in operation? The density of cases is far greater in UK. Should we not start with foreign quarantine lock outs before we start an inter county war?

Yea if they don't sort themselves out. The only people who will disagree with that strategy is Dubliners, the rest of the country knows it should happen. It's not ready to open up, numbers are too high.
I doubt it's foreign travel responsible for the current numbers.

mloc123 · 14-06-2020 09:23PM

MipMap wrote: »

Commuter Belt? viruses love it when people mill around and mix with each other.Also Luas, Dart etc., nothing like them in Cork (I assume -seldom go there)
Also the care homes skewed all the stats as well.

Yup... if you consider how many thousand people travel from.. Meath, Kildare, Wicklow, Louth, Laois etc.. into Dublin every day on trains and busses and then sit in large air conditioned offices together.

ongarite · 14-06-2020 09:23PM

Dublin has a much bigger percentage of people in house shares and other overcrowded homes.
Younger people who were/are working right through this pandemic as essential workers in varied industries.

Nursing homes in greater Dublin area are more likely to use agency staff who move from home to home throughout the day, week. Companies who run these homes own 3-4 and shuffle staff between them all.
In more rural counties the staff of these nursing homes are likely to be staffed by permanent employees.

drunkmonkey · 14-06-2020 09:25PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

What a stupid statement. You do relaise there was people protesting in other towns and cities across the country?? There were people queueing at pennys and other shops across the country, likewise parties aren't just a Dublin thing. Presume your going to call people across the country idiots so ? Bit of balance required here.

Based on population density alone you'd expect Dublin to have more cases.

You would expect more cases but not x31, the numbers aren't in line with everywhere else. It has a problem.

Strumms · 14-06-2020 09:26PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It doesn't really make sense for a quarter of the country to have way over half of our cases. Something went wrong in Dublin and even Leinster as a hole. Kildare has nearly 4 times more cases than Galway despite having a smaller population. Density could be argued but I think Cork proves that wrong with such a low case number per 100,000.

It’s not just population, it’s things like population densities, social habits. Dublin is the most densely populated area / city on the island. It’s also the economic hub of the country.. we will have had more essential services and businesses needing to be operational and open. We will have had certain non essential services which chanced their arm too... plus in community’s people disregarding distancing regs which videos can be seen here and YouTube , it’s not surprising.

ACitizenErased · 14-06-2020 09:27PM

MipMap wrote: »

Commuter Belt? viruses love it when people mill around and mix with each other. Also Luas, Dart etc., nothing like them in Cork (I assume -seldom go there)
Also the care homes skewed all the stats as well.

Believe it or not public transport exists in places like Cork, Limerick and Galway too and is ridiculously busy. There was a major, uncontrolled outbreak in Dublin and Leinster as a whole, and it can't be entirely blamed on population. There were mistakes made.

ACitizenErased · 14-06-2020 09:29PM

HSE Daily Operations Update:

79 in hospital, no change AFAIK - seems there was a few admissions today based on the variance compared to yesterday.

27 in ICU, no change.

caveat emptor · 14-06-2020 09:30PM

ongarite wrote: »

Dublin has a much bigger percentage of people in house shares and other overcrowded homes.
Younger people who were/are working right through this pandemic as essential workers in varied industries.

Nursing homes in greater Dublin area are more likely to use agency staff who move from home to home throughout the day, week. Companies who run these homes own 3-4 and shuffle staff between them all.
In more rural counties the staff of these nursing homes are likely to be staffed by permanent employees.

It's also full of house shares of young people from the country who go to Dublin to find a job / an education / a life?

So isolate grand. But you might want to think it through when you want your kids to have a life or a good job.

Personally I think we should have done this from the start. Easy to point the finger at the largest conurbation / centre of employment / city.

When the 350 payment stops there'll be quite a few people wanting to return to Dublin. Should they be allowed?

#DublinLivesMater

Oh yeah how many fvcking hospitals are there. They don't have any ICU beds in Leitrim.

Think is has gone beyond the pale.

MipMap · 14-06-2020 09:31PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Believe it or not public transport exists in places like Cork, Limerick and Galway too and is ridiculously busy. There was a major, uncontrolled outbreak in Dublin and Leinster as a whole, and it can't be entirely blamed on population. There were mistakes made.

I am sure it does but I have been crammed on the Dart in rush hour and also on the London Underground and there is no comparison between the two.

stephenjmcd · 14-06-2020 09:33PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

HSE Daily Operations Update:

79 in hospital, no change AFAIK - seems there was a few admissions today based on the variance compared to yesterday.

27 in ICU, no change.

Up 4 on yesterday but like we've seen with other weekends there doesn't seem to be any movement over the weekends at all.
1 less on ventilation in ICU as well. 12 on ventilators.

Also noting another reduction in close contacts. After the panic headlines of a rise its coming right down again. Someone must have had alot of contacts again

NegativeCreep · 14-06-2020 09:34PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You would expect more cases but not x31, the numbers aren't in line with everywhere else. It has a problem.

Far more workplaces remained open in Dublin as there are just more companies located there. Hard to distance and stay at home when you’re required to go to work. Obviously in counties where you don’t have to go to work and live further away from your closest neighbour than anyone does in Dublin there’s going to be far fewer cases.

drunkmonkey · 14-06-2020 09:34PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

HSE Daily Operations Update:

79 in hospital, no change AFAIK.

27 in ICU, no change.

Are the ICU numbers dropping with deaths, any corolation, doesn't seem to be, wonder does that mean the deaths are coming from other areas like nursing homes.

tom1ie · 14-06-2020 09:36PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

UK have done a great job of hiding 42,000 bodies. Spain only had 27,000 and they were filling every inch of space they could find from churches to Halls.
We've not seen mass bodies in media from UK. No pictures of 100's of coffins lined up, its all under the radar.

BBC and sky news have story’s on every other country but I can’t remember seeing any pictures of the overflow of bodies.
It does all seem like a bit of a cover up.

eigrod · 14-06-2020 09:42PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

HSE Daily Operations Update:

79 in hospital, no change AFAIK - seems there was a few admissions today based on the variance compared to yesterday.

27 in ICU, no change.

And it looks like the close contacts per case is back down to around 3 too

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-14-june-2020.pdf

ZX7R · 14-06-2020 09:48PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It doesn't really make sense for a quarter of the country to have way over half of our cases. Something went wrong in Dublin and even Leinster as a hole. Kildare has nearly 4 times more cases than Galway despite having a smaller population. Density could be argued but I think Cork proves that wrong with such a low case number per 100,000.

Leinster would be a computer belt area for Dublin as would co Kildare
Country Dublin and Kildare would have the most deaths as both have the highest numbers of nursing homes in the country.
Dublin has the highest density of populis

There's 27 hospital/clinics in Dublin easy area for spread and would rise infection numbers for Dublin including close contacts of staff
Community transmission would be higher just due to the density of the city clubs pups restaurant ect.

It's pretty consistent across Europe big cities higher rate of infections

Ce he sin · 14-06-2020 09:49PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

It was Tanzanian national lab staffed by WHO. They got kicked out. As for praying he is not alone, quite a lot of countries used this narrative. What really is unsettling is why it is mostly western countries sufferring most of casulties and poor countries with pretty much nonexistent health system fare much better.
Could it be our lifestyle? I do not think prayer is what helps but certainly, there is something strange going on when goat or papaya tests positive.

More to do with lack of testing and reporting in poor countries I suspect.

ACitizenErased · 14-06-2020 09:49PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Up 4 on yesterday but like we've seen with other weekends there doesn't seem to be any movement over the weekends at all.
1 less on ventilation in ICU as well. 12 on ventilators.

Also noting another reduction in close contacts. After the panic headlines of a rise its coming right down again. Someone must have had alot of contacts again

Fergal Bowers is clinging onto the contacts story - it gets them clicks.

caveat emptor · 14-06-2020 09:52PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Leinster would be a computer belt area for Dublin as would co Kildare
Country Dublin and Kildare would have the most deaths as both have the highest numbers of nursing homes in the country.
Dublin has the highest density of populis

There's 27 hospital/clinics in Dublin easy area for spread and would rise infection numbers for Dublin including close contacts of staff
Community transmission would be higher just due to the density of the city clubs pups restaurant ect.

It's pretty consistent across Europe big cities higher rate of infections

Well said. We need a national strategy. If that requires localised lockdowns then they should be implemented no matter what county etc.

30% of all cases were healthcare workers. I'm not sure on the breakdown of healthcare workers residing in Dublin vs the rest of the country but it would be significant.

14-06-2020 09:52PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think the majority of countys have proven if you had of stayed at home as requested the virus would be all but dead. Looking at Dublin from the outside it's got more than it's fair share of idiots who wouldn't take the good advice(protestors, partys, Penny's etc)How many of them are off on foreign holidays now?
If Dublin doesn't get it's act together it should be isolated, I'd go as far as saying it should happen now, it doesn't have x31 population to excuse the numbers.

Pennys was in Limerick.

Most of the parties that I have heard about are in Cork apparently.

You realise that isolating a county means nothing in or out, don't you?
Given this and the amount of goods that go through Dublin port, how has your magic retailer whatsapp group that said that the supply chain was about to collapse back in March going to get their products?

stephenjmcd · 14-06-2020 09:58PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fergal Bowers is clinging onto the contacts story - it gets them clicks.

I'm sure tomorrow it'll be rise in suspected hospital cases with absolutely no back story as to what constitutes a suspected cases in hospitals

ACitizenErased · 14-06-2020 09:58PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Pennys was in Limerick.

Most of the parties that I have heard about are in Cork apparently.

You realise that isolating a county means nothing in or out, don't you?
Given this and the amount of goods that go through Dublin port, how has your magic retailer whatsapp group that said that the supply chain was about to collapse back in March going to get their products?

His point is that the population doesn't match the numbers. It's a fair point, I'm not sure why people deny that Dublin had a major issue, and still presents 60%+ of our cases despite having 25% of our population.

MipMap · 14-06-2020 10:02PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think the majority of countys have proven if you had of stayed at home as requested the virus would be all but dead. Looking at Dublin from the outside it's got more than it's fair share of idiots who wouldn't take the good advice(protestors, partys, Penny's etc)How many of them are off on foreign holidays now?
If Dublin doesn't get it's act together it should be isolated, I'd go as far as saying it should happen now, it doesn't have x31 population to excuse the numbers.

Am I missing something?
I thought things were progressing quite well. Are you talking about throwing a ring of steel around Dublin? like it was Wuhan? Cos of Pennys?

MipMap · 14-06-2020 10:10PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

His point is that the population doesn't match the numbers. It's a fair point, I'm not sure why people deny that Dublin had a major issue, and still presents 60%+ of our cases despite having 25% of our population.

In theory and to a large extent in practice the 60%+ cases are all in isolation recovered, or sadly dead, and are a threat to no one. This is why we have a test and trace system.
Also the opertive word here is "had". We should focus on cases that are currently infective and not identified. Nothing tells me right now that there is a significant number of these wandering around in Dublin or anywhere elese in the country.

Look at Spain. Most of the cases happened in Madrid and Barcelona. High population areas. That's just how it is.

caveat emptor · 14-06-2020 10:12PM

On an incidence basis i.e per capita Cavan was worse.

Did we stop people going in and out of cavan? Was anyone calling for that?
No
They sent doctors and nurses from Dublin.
We are all in this together. GAA is postponed.

14-06-2020 10:16PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

His point is that the population doesn't match the numbers. It's a fair point, I'm not sure why people deny that Dublin had a major issue, and still presents 60%+ of our cases despite having 25% of our population.

Oh Dublin has a major issue alright, it also has the highest population density which is a good reason as to why cases are so high.

As for staying at home, the poster has regularly gone on about traveling to buy a trampoline etc.

They also spent hours going on about how they knew that the supply chain was about to collapse back in March and the army was going to be on the streets forcing people at gunpoint back into their homes, and how they would use their gun on anyone forcing them to stay at home.

Also in the post that I quoted the only thing that was factually stated was the protest being held in Dublin and that it has more cases.

Basically, their posts live up to their username

What Username Guidelines · 14-06-2020 10:17PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You would expect more cases but not x31, the numbers aren't in line with everywhere else. It has a problem.

While Dublin numbers are higher per capita than they “should be”, I believe Cavan has more given population size. In third place is Monaghan. It seems more like a Leinster/Midlands/northern issue as opposed to a Dublin and commuter belt issue.

Also, saying x31 is a little sensationalist, given the delayed reporting of those numbers.

There was a day during the week where Galway had 2 cases and Dublin just 1, was surprised to not see headlines about how Galway had twice the infections of Dublin from sensationalist journalists.

PopTarts · 14-06-2020 10:18PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

His point is that the population doesn't match the numbers. It's a fair point, I'm not sure why people deny that Dublin had a major issue, and still presents 60%+ of our cases despite having 25% of our population.

Are cases diagnosed in a Dublin hospital attributed to Dublin even if patient is from outside Dublin?

Martina1991 · 14-06-2020 10:19PM

PopTarts wrote:

Are cases diagnosed in a Dublin hospital attributed to Dublin even if patient is from outside Dublin?

I believe cases are attributed to the county the patient is from.

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