George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

Overheal · 13-06-2020 06:32PM

Tell me how wrote: »

And no hint that something could or should be done about this racism of course.

I mean, slavery only stopped because people got bored of it.

Well, slavery still exists in the form of prison labor programs

Justin Credible Darts · 13-06-2020 06:34PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Replace lorry with whatever vehicle you like, the analogy is still the same.

you are actually comparing a lorry driving on the road to a guy walking in the road among the police having his buddies record something they obviously know is going to happen.

wow

13-06-2020 06:35PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Cops in East meadow, NY

https://v.redd.it/s6f1me9nxl451

Good job on the de-escalation..

Shouting a megaphone in someone's ear is assault.

I thought they handled it very well and clearly went easy on him. Maybe because he wasn't black? :-/

Overheal · 13-06-2020 06:36PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

That's true. It still makes no sense.

Do you drive? Are you familiar with brake checking? Did you know brake checking is assault/reckless driving and can result in jail time?

~Rebel~ · 13-06-2020 06:37PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

wow indeed.

So all these people rioting, looting, breaking the law are all decent people then ? There was me foolishly thinking that decent people would be distancing themselves from these protests, adhering to police warnings, avoiding trouble etc.

Guess you must know best, being an expert on civil unrest via the internet.

That is foolish. And shows a deep misunderstanding of the severity of the issues in the US - or else an assumption that the numbers of "bad people" are astronomical.

There were an estimated 300,000 protesters one of the days last week in Los Angeles. Now, either that means the criminal numbers of people are totally wrong, and actually there are hundreds of thousands of criminals hiding in plain sight, or you're just horrendously, ridiculously, insultingly wrong. (it's the latter).

The vast vast vast majority of people protesting are decent normal people who, being decent normal people, recognise the scale of the problem and are doing whatever they can to try to help. And personally speaking, just about everyone I know in LA has been protesting peacefully at least a few of the days. These are my friends and coworkers, not some agents of chaos.

I mean, even that you think that those hundreds of thousands of people are all rioting and looting, points towards you having zero understanding or comprehension of what sort of chaos hundreds of thousands of people rioting and looting would actually look like. What we've seen day after day is hundreds of thousands of decent human beings protesting like decent human beings, with an additional 1 to 2% of that number causing problems.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 13-06-2020 06:37PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Shouting a megaphone in someone's ear is assault.

Yeah that's why he got arrested, assault with a megaphone and not the bumping into the cop.

Maybe we can put this in the bracket of "cops choosing what laws they decide to enforce when ever it suits them".

ExMachina1000 · 13-06-2020 06:39PM

Overheal wrote: »

Do you drive? Are you familiar with brake checking? Did you know brake checking is assault/reckless driving and can result in jail time?

Did you know its illegal to fly a helicopter over the city?

Are we just throwing up random method of transport points and trying to link them to whatever

blade1 · 13-06-2020 06:42PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

you are actually comparing a lorry driving on the road to a guy walking in the road among the police having his buddies record something they obviously know is going to happen.

wow

Replace buddy recording with dash cam

Justin Credible Darts · 13-06-2020 06:43PM

if they were black cops arresting a white guy, would the people quick to blame the police for everything, be as quick to judge ?.

The police have a thankless job, there will always be bad apples in every job, in every force in every country, but the police on the whole are good.

I ask myself why is this guy walking in the middle of the road with the police, why is he there in the first place, why are his friends recording waiting for an incident to happen ?
Looks to me that he was antagonizing the police and all this was premeditated in order to create an incident so he could be the next one to get attention

Overheal · 13-06-2020 06:44PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Did you know its illegal to fly a helicopter over the city?

Are we just throwing up random method of transport points and trying to link them to whatever

Well the fact is the cop stopped in the middle of the road right in front of the guy. The cop assaulted him. The cops arrested the pedestrian for assault. But no go on keep pretending you don’t see the problem

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 13-06-2020 06:45PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

you are actually comparing a lorry driving on the road to a guy walking in the road among the police having his buddies record something they obviously know is going to happen.

wow

You understand there's video editing programs (even within WhatsApp?) to reduce the length of the video.. maybe this was the exciting moment of the whole clip, that was a minute long or 2 hours long, it's clear as day the cop is looking to force contact by his own actions so they can claim assault on a police officer an arrest him.

All my opinion backed up by video evidence.

peddlelies · 13-06-2020 06:46PM

Tempting to donate, although that would be my beer money gone for the night. Maybe if they dropped the anti capitalism stance...

https://www.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund

Black Lives Matter UK (BLMUK) is a coalition of black activists and organisers across the UK. We’ve been organising since 2016 for justice in our communities.

We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world.

Overheal · 13-06-2020 06:46PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

if they were black cops arresting a white guy, would the people quick to blame the police for everything, be as quick to judge ?.

The police have a thankless job, there will always be bad apples in every job, in every force in every country, but the police on the whole are good.

I ask myself why is this guy walking in the middle of the road with the police, why is he there in the first place, why are his friends recording waiting for an incident to happen ?
Looks to me that he was antagonizing the police and all this was premeditated in order to create an incident so he could be the next one to get attention

“Antagonizing police” isn’t an offense. Protest isn’t an offense. It’s free speech.

That the cops had to clearly concoct their own reason to arrest him shows whatever happened before this point is irrelevant. Whether or not the cops were black makes no difference to this being an abuse of the color of law.

Tell me how · 13-06-2020 06:47PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Cops in East meadow, NY

https://v.redd.it/s6f1me9nxl451

Good job on the de-escalation..

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Lol
That was beautiful

Tell me how wrote: »

What do you think was beautiful about that situation?

Please be as specific as you can.

Still waiting for your explanation why you think what happened was beautiful.

13-06-2020 06:47PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Yeah that's why he got arrested, assault with a megaphone and not the bumping into the cop.

Maybe we can put this in the bracket of "cops choosing what laws they decide to enforce when ever it suits them".

They can actually choose what laws to enforce. You're defending some goon provoking a police officer by following him and shouting a megaphone in his ear. How exactly do you think the fool thought it was going to end? He got off lightly and should count himself lucky.

Overheal · 13-06-2020 06:48PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

You understand there's video editing programs (even within WhatsApp?) to reduce the length of the video.. maybe this was the exciting moment of the whole clip, that was a minute long or 2 hours long, it's clear as day the cop is looking to force contact by his own actions so they can claim assault on a police officer an arrest him.

All my opinion backed up by video evidence.

Now hold the fcuk on

If we can’t see the incident from the moment the cops put their pants on and eat breakfast we can’t be sure that he wasn’t a super predator that they needed to get off the streets no matter what the law said about false arrest :rolleyes:

Justin Credible Darts · 13-06-2020 06:48PM

peddlelies wrote: »

Tempting to donate, although that would be my beer money gone for the night.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund

Black Lives Matter UK (BLMUK) is a coalition of black activists and organisers across the UK. We’ve been organising since 2016 for justice in our communities.

We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world.

White supremacy ?

My buddy who was on the housing list for twelve years, saw black people get houses who were only on the list 3 years.....this white supremacy needs to be nipped in the bud

Overheal · 13-06-2020 06:49PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They can actually choose what laws to enforce. You're defending some goon provoking a police officer by following him and shouting a megaphone in his ear. How exactly do you think the fool thought it was going to end? He got off lightly and should count himself lucky.

How was he a goon?

Overheal · 13-06-2020 06:50PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

White supremacy ?

My buddy who was on the housing list for twelve years, saw black people get houses who were only on the list 3 years.....this white supremacy needs to be nipped in the bud

My buddy saw people white people get on who were only on the list a week. Also I’m friends with the pope. We get together and play call of duty once a week

13-06-2020 06:51PM

Overheal wrote: »

How was he a goon?

Are you serious? He is a complete and utter goon chasing down a cop and shouting a megaphone in his ear. How was he not a goon?

peddlelies · 13-06-2020 06:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They can actually choose what laws to enforce. You're defending some goon provoking a police officer by following him and shouting a megaphone in his ear. How exactly do you think the fool thought it was going to end? He got off lightly and should count himself lucky.

This is obvious - why does it need to be explained.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 13-06-2020 06:54PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They can actually choose what laws to enforce. You're defending some goon provoking a police officer by following him and shouting a megaphone in his ear. How exactly do you think the fool thought it was going to end? He got off lightly and should count himself lucky.

For real? So I could go out and commit a robbery, it just depends on what cop catches me, if he's having a good day he'll let me go on my way.

Assault of cop either by megaphone or a bump is a serious thing? Maybe he'll get double assault against him..

The "goon" is being arrested for the bump, your claim was assault with a megaphone, that I'd say was more serious for the ear drums then a bump in the back, wouldn't you think?

~Rebel~ · 13-06-2020 06:54PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

if they were black cops arresting a white guy, would the people quick to blame the police for everything, be as quick to judge ?.

The police have a thankless job, there will always be bad apples in every job, in every force in every country, but the police on the whole are good.

I ask myself why is this guy walking in the middle of the road with the police, why is he there in the first place, why are his friends recording waiting for an incident to happen ?
Looks to me that he was antagonizing the police and all this was premeditated in order to create an incident so he could be the next one to get attention

And yet only in the US do we see this consistent level of violence.

Honestly, i've actually gotta wonder why you're even talking about this... like, you don't even seem to have much understanding of the subject... why roll in so hard behind a position you don't understand?

This is a police force that last year killed 1099 people - over 40% of whom were unarmed. A few bad apples cannot achieve those numbers. This is a police force that account for 33% of all killings at the hands of a stranger Nationally. And it's a police force who thanks to Qualified Immunity, are almost impossible to prosecute.

This is also a police force that recieve less than 20% of the training the Irish Gardai receive, before being given a gun and sent out to patrol.

How can someone look at the reality of the situation, the statistics they manage to rack up, the insane numbers of sexual assaults committed by them, the default training that instead of de-escalation calls instead for total and complete physically subjugation, and not see how fucked it is. ESPECIALLY when there are millions of Americans marching in the streets every day telling you how fucked it is.

Overheal · 13-06-2020 06:55PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Are you serious? He is a complete and utter goon chasing down a cop and shouting a megaphone in his ear. How was he not a goon?

Sure does he own the road? Did cops have to walk alongside him?

I didn’t see him a once point at the cops ear with the megaphone. He actually paused as he walked behind him too, not looking to assault the lad with the megaphone. They’re quite safe to stand beside though as a personal preference I would not.

peddlelies · 13-06-2020 06:55PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

For real? So I could go out and commit a robbery, it just depends on what cop catches me, if he's having a good day he'll let me go on my way.

Assault of cop either by megaphone or a bump is a serious thing? Maybe he'll get double assault against him..

The "goon" is being arrested for the bump, your claim was assault with a megaphone, that I'd say was more serious for the ear drums then a bump in the back, wouldn't you think?

Sometimes I do really wonder if it's a mental disorder

walshb · 13-06-2020 06:55PM

Overheal wrote: »

“Racism is everywhere duh

Except in the system. Yep no racism in the system”

Really, are you this deliberately obtuse in your reply..

Racism is everywhere....

That doesn’t mean it’s systemic in any particular body/organization etc..

You do know what systemic means here, as in what people are trying to claim and portray?

Hundreds thousands cops in the police force in America.

1 of them racist isn’t systemic, for example. Even 1000 of them isn’t

Systemic here is being portrayed as a whole body being corrupt and intentionally encouraging and condoning and supporting racism..This is utter nonsense.

Justin Credible Darts · 13-06-2020 07:00PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

And yet only in the US do we see this consistent level of violence.

Honestly, i've actually gotta wonder why you're even talking about this... like, you don't even seem to have much understanding of the subject... why roll in so hard behind a position you don't understand?

This is a police force that last year killed 1099 people - over 40% of whom were unarmed. A few bad apples cannot achieve those numbers. This is a police force that account for 33% of all killings at the hands of a stranger Nationally. And it's a police force who thanks to Qualified Immunity, are almost impossible to prosecute.

This is also a police force that recieve less than 20% of the training the Irish Gardai receive, before being given a gun and sent out to patrol.

How can someone look at the reality of the situation, the statistics they manage to rack up, the insane numbers of sexual assaults committed by them, the default training that instead of de-escalation calls instead for total and complete physically subjugation, and not see how fucked it is. ESPECIALLY when there are millions of Americans marching in the streets every day telling you how fucked it is.

did you choose to ignore the part of my post that referred to countries ?
I was not referring solely to just the american police.

Did you choose to ignore it or simply not read that part due to your rush to reply and find fault ?

Some countries have worse police forces than others, no one denies that, but my point remains the police have a thankless job, and for the most part are good.

~Rebel~ · 13-06-2020 07:00PM

walshb wrote: »

Really, are you this deliberately obtuse in your reply..

Racism is everywhere....

That doesn’t mean it’s systemic in any particular body/organization etc..

You do know what systemic means here, as in what people are trying to claim and portray?

Hundreds thousands cops in the police force in America.

1 of them racist isn’t systemic, for example. Even 1000 of them isn’t

Systemic here is being portrayed as a whole body being corrupt and intentionally encouraging and condoning and supporting racism..This utter nonsense.

Except that it is;

https://www.sagepub.com/sites/default/files/upm-binaries/46946_CH_3.pdf

https://www.vera.org/downloads/publications/for-the-record-unjust-burden-racial-disparities.pdf

https://www.asanet.org/sites/default/files/savvy/images/press/docs/pdf/ASARaceCrime.pdf

~Rebel~ · 13-06-2020 07:01PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

did you choose to ignore the part of my post that referred to countries ?
I was not referring solely to just the american police.

Did you choose to ignore it or simply not read that part due to your rush to reply and find fault ?

Some countries have worse police forces than others, no one denies that, but my point remains the police have a thankless job, and for the most part are good.

I don't know about other countries, so can't speak to them.

This conversation is about the US police. As you said, you were making your point about all countries - which includes the US. I'm taking you up on the point you raised in relation to the US, because that's what I know about. If you agree with my points, then perhaps your point becomes more accurate to say "policing is done well in countries outside of the US". Or if you wish to reinclude the US in your statement, you can argue the points I raised.

Overheal · 13-06-2020 07:02PM

walshb wrote: »

Really, are you this deliberately obtuse in your reply..

Racism is everywhere....

That doesn’t mean it’s systemic in any particular body/organization etc..

You do know what systemic means here, as in what people are trying to claim and portray?

I know what systemic means and I know the police system in the US is systemically racist. Even it’s origins are nestled in the Slave Patrols of a bygone era. For centuries one of the most significant roles of United States police was to keep slaves in check, and after that it was enforcing Jim Crow laws to the same effect, and then it was the war on drugs which saw much lighter penalties for drugs favored by whites.

I don’t know how anyone purports to show that the policing in the US is not systemically racist when there is so much rich and annotated history to the contrary.

George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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