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Madeleine McCann

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Kate stated several times that she knew Madeleine was not capable of opening the sliding patio door . It was heavy and she couldn’t pull it open . The door was unlocked but closed so very unlikely that a child would open it then wander out and stop to close a heavy patio door behind her


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    By that logic would everyone who used a baby listening service at those types of resorts serve jail time too? Also Best lock up the providers of those baby listening services too.

    It’s not the same though, most of the resorts that offer a listening service are enclosed or often hotels where the doors are locked and there isn’t an unlocked gate leading directly onto a dark public street.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Kate stated several times that she knew Madeleine was not capable of opening the sliding patio door . It was heavy and she couldn’t pull it open . The door was unlocked but closed so very unlikely that a child would open it then wander out and stop to close a heavy patio door behind her

    Maybe so, but their friends were going in and out as well, one could easily have gone in one door and out the other without closing it after a few drinks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Mules wrote: »
    Are parents supposed to be on 24/7 guard against paedophiles? You do know what happened is very rare, they can't be blamed for the action of a criminal. I find the glee some people have about the tragedy bizarre. Everyone makes parenting mistakes but very few people have to deal with consequences as serious as this.

    No, but they're not suppose to leave 3 kids under 4 alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country while they go out wining and dining.

    Why are people continuing to find reasoning for this when there is none.

    It's selfish reckless neglect. Nothing else.

    This is not a mistake.

    A mistake is, forgetting wipes in the nappy bag.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Day Lewin wrote: »
    The complacent glee of finger-pointing at the negligent should never deflect us from wanting to track down the wicked criminal who deliberately chose a terrible evil..

    No parent is perfect; if ever a parent regretted a choice it must be the McCanns. Rubbed in with extra salt, every day of their lives.

    If you are a perfect parent who never made a poor choice, I congratulate you.
    If you are fallible like the rest of us, kindly shut up. And hope that poor choices will be forgiven.

    I've never met a perfect parent.

    But the ones I know. every day do everything in their power to protect and raise their children as best they can always putting their child and it's safety first.

    Do they make mistakes? every day .do I? Every day.

    What I do not do is going on the fcking piss and leave them home alone under 4 years old.

    Christ like.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    limnam wrote: »
    I've never met a perfect parent.

    But the ones I know. every day do everything in their power to protect and raise their children as best they can always putting their child and it's safety first.

    Do they make mistakes? every day .do I? Every day.

    What I do not do is going on the fcking piss and leave them home alone under 4 years old.

    Christ like.

    You've made your point, repeatedly.

    "Point finger of shame at the negligent parents" - they shouldn't have left the babies, of course they shouldn't.

    Done, done to bits, ok?

    Have we all heard it now? have we all had enough? more than enough?

    Time to pipe down?

    Whats in the news is a serious suspect for the very, very serious crimes of abduction and murder.
    Not an invitation for some triumphant blaming.


  • Posts: 21,291 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think the continual reaffirmation on this and all other forums regarding the McCanns actions of leaving their children alone in an unlocked premises, albeit near to where they were wining and dining, and above all, relaxing/chilling out, is to reinforce to society that it is never acceptable to do this, and to get the message across never contemplate doing it. The McCanns have indeed been more than punished for their particular actions, but folk are concerned that anybody would entertain the idea that is is acceptable practice in a world we now know to be inhabited by a considerable number of revolting paedophiles who spend their entire existence seeking out such off-guardedness of otherwise decent parents.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Strangest case in recent history. So many twists and turns.
    I don't even believe this 'new' suspect will close the case. Amazing even British officers had an issue with the investigation.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4467832/Met-interested-proving-McCann-parents-innocent.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Day Lewin wrote: »
    You've made your point, repeatedly.

    "Point finger of shame at the negligent parents" - they shouldn't have left the babies, of course they shouldn't.

    Done, done to bits, ok?

    I'm sorry it's not ok and it's not done to bits

    As clearly some people think this is as simple as a mistake.

    If people are still attempting to rantonalise the behavior then it's not done to bits. It's not nearly done enough.


    Day Lewin wrote: »
    Have we all heard it now? have we all had enough? more than enough?

    Time to pipe down?

    Feel free to ignore/gloss over any of my posts you feel are not of interest to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    Limnam tell us again how irresponsible they were?
    Like out of 10, and explain your reasoning?
    I dont want any 10 out 10s without something to go off.cheers


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  • Posts: 21,291 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    For what it’s worth here’s a recap of an early article here pasted from a red top back in 2007 concerning the movements of the “Tapas Nine”, which makes me more confused than ever:-

    “The Tapas Nine: McCann friends whose loyalty comes at a cost

    21:49, 14 Sep 2007 , updated 09:20, 18 Sep 2007
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    {3} The seven people dining with Gerry and Kate McCann at the Ocean Club tapas bar on the night of May 3 have all steadfastly defended their friends.
    But their loyalty has had a cost. According to reports from Portugal, all have come under suspicion and face further police questioning because their accounts allegedly clashed.
    The group - most of them doctors and professionals - was made up of: Dr Russell O'Brien, 36.

    A consultant in acute medicine at the Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital, he knew Gerry McCann from Leicester. He was on holiday with his partner Jane Tanner and their two young daughters.
    At 9.25pm he left the restaurant for around 25 minutes to check on one of the girls, who was ill. He has been subject to a vicious Portuguese press campaign alleging he was absent for over an hour when Madeleine went missing. He has threatened to sue, insisting: "These reports are completely untrue and extremely hurtful." Scroll down for more... {1} {R} Jane Tanner, 37 Dr O'Brien's partner. She arrived late at the tapas bar after treating their sick daughter.

    On the way, she passed the McCanns' apartment and saw a man carrying a child. Crucially, her description of the child's clothes matched Madeleine's pink pyjamas.

    Dr Matthew Oldfield, 37,

    Dr Oldfield, an endocrinologist at Kingston Hospital in South-West London, went to check the McCann children at 9 25pm.

    But he did not look inside the flat - simply listened from outside to ensure Madeleine and the twins were not crying. Rachael Oldfield, 36,

    Dr Oldfield's wife, a former lawyer who is now a recruitment consultant.

    She is one of four witnesses who claim to have seen the first suspect, British expat Robert Murat, near the McCanns' flat.

    Last month she angrily dismissed reports that police had intercepted phone calls and emails between the McCanns and their friends which contradicted the group's earlier statements.

    Mrs Oldfield accused Portuguese police of "throwing mud when we are not able to defend oursleves" David Payne, 41

    Mr Payne is a senior research fellow in cardiovascular sciences at Leicester University

    He and his wife and mother-in-law joined the group at 8.55pm. They are believed to have been the only ones using a baby monitor to check on their two children.

    Mr Payne has said: "All these smears and rumours are overshadowing the important thing, which is to get Madeleine back." Dr Fiona Payne, 34.

    Mr Payne's wife, she is understood to have told police she saw Mr Murat shortly after Madeleine vanished.
    Dr Payne and her husband stayed on in the Algarve to support the McCanns”.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    https://youtu.be/cXDu3OZPVCA
    A different take on the mental health impacts of this case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    One of the things that haunt me is the detail of the Orphanage collector where he was at a house and speaking to a mother at the door but he was staring straight behind her the whole time and she looked around and her daughter was standing behind her. Wipes me out to this day but the Orphanage never existed in the other town so could of been these guys scoping the place. Gives me shivers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    LillySV wrote: »
    Watchin a documentary last night on Maddie and to be honest , i really can see why Maddies parents are the biggest suspects to the Portuguese.... no forced entry ... no sign of anyone else’s fingerprints on window apart from Kate’s.No sign of any struggles in house..blankets left untouched etc..English bring over special dogs who smell chemicals from death and who smell human blood, both go crazy at couch and at a wardrobe in the McCanns apartment... they also go crazy when they smell the car that the McCanns has hired..... the Irish guy who seen a kid been carried away that night recognized that he looked like and carried the kid the exact same way as Gerry does when he carries his other kid....and that’s just some of the facts that point to the McCanns....

    If it was this German man... then he clearly was a genius to have been able to get away for so long...

    One small issue, where is the body? Unless the McCanns can make bodies disappear,

    Says a lot if you watched a documentary and still couldn’t get the name of child right....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,574 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    One small issue, where is the body? Unless the McCanns can make bodies disappear,

    Says a lot if you watched a documentary and still couldn’t get the name of child right....


    This is one of the most incredible parts of this story, the fact after all these years Maddies body has never been located.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    One small issue, where is the body? Unless the McCanns can make bodies disappear,



    So you want a randomer on the net to answer a question that 2 police forces can't answer after 13 years?

    Says a lot if you watched a documentary and still couldn’t get the name of child right....

    Kate claimed Maddie( widely used by the media) corrected people by saying her name is Madeline. You're being pedantic and antagonising for a very petty reason.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Kate claimed Maddie( widely used by the media) corrected people by saying her name is Madeline. You're being pedantic and antagonising for a very petty reason.

    Maddie was used by The Sun etc because the readers get bored with long words....

    If you watched a documentary you would expect they would have called the child by her correct name. If not then it would suggest the documentary was rubbish

    Not sure how you quoted the other section but it was wrong

    In terms of the questions of her body, do you not think it’s a vital part of discussion of McCanns did do it? They could not go far, the entire town and surround was checked top to bottom while the McCann has 24 hour tv coverage. So it’s a simple question what did they do with body? If you can’t answer the question then pointing the finger at McCanns falls at first hurdle


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    This is one of the most incredible parts of this story, the fact after all these years Maddies body has never been located.

    I posted before, it was 2-3 hours to Seville airport, before the police even arrived at the aparatment the child could have been on a plane

    But instead of considering that we have the same story about the MCCanns at every second post but no actual details on what they done with the body!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Sureitlbegrand


    https://youtu.be/uS6ucYudNAo

    It's an old one but worth a watch if it hasn't been seen. An FBI statement analyst goes through some interviews with Kate and Gerry. This guy really knows hows to read people hes excellent


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Maddie was used by The Sun etc because the readers get bored with long words....

    If you watched a documentary you would expect they would have called the child by her correct name. If not then it would suggest the documentary was rubbish

    Not sure how you quoted the other section but it was wrong

    In terms of the questions of her body, do you not think it’s a vital part of discussion of McCanns did do it? They could not go far, the entire town and surround was checked top to bottom while the McCann has 24 hour tv coverage. So it’s a simple question what did they do with body? If you can’t answer the question then pointing the finger at McCanns falls at first hurdle

    Again you want an answer to a question the police after working the case for 13 years haven't been able to answer.


    Also I have seen many people here including those that believe the McCanns use the name 'Maddie' so what is the purpose of you singling out the use of the name by the poster you responded to?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I posted before, it was 2-3 hours to Seville airport, before the police even arrived at the aparatment the child could have been on a plane

    But instead of considering that we have the same story about the MCCanns at every second post but no actual details on what they done with the body!!!

    She could of been also on a boat out of there, killed an put on ice, abducted and hidden in plain sight in a cellar we can argue there’s a hundred ways she could of been dealt with.

    In as far as the same story every second post, you have argued with everyone on everything here. People did get her name right and shortened it. This is the least of the issues in this case but ppl keep getting chastised about this and ends up taking up a page or three on the thread. Let’s talk the case and not argue is over the least of the issues. I understand if it bothers you but to constantly attack others with sly little digs puts ppl off contributing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I posted before, it was 2-3 hours to Seville airport, before the police even arrived at the aparatment the child could have been on a plane

    So she could have been on a plane, are you suggesting no passport control at Seville airport? Or do you suggest a private charter?


  • Posts: 21,291 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Regarding where a body could be disposed, this photo I took In 2013, not far from Praia da Luz, suggests the perfect place and right beside a car park.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭robwen


    That story from when he was working at the kiosk bar in 2014 & his work colleagues were discussing the Madeline McCann case insinuates that he may have fed Madelines body to pigs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    robwen wrote: »
    That story from when he was working at the kiosk bar in 2014 & his work colleagues were discussing the Madeline McCann case insinuates that he may have fed Madelines body to pigs

    Wtf? Explain that rational?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Wtf? Explain that rational?

    He apparently made some comment to his friends along the lines of ‘Don’t you know that pigs eat human flesh’. The red tops were all talking about it last week.

    I do also find it interesting that not one person has been able to come up with a rational explanation as to how and where the McCanns dumped the body in the 2.5 hour window they had from the time they collected Madeleine from kids club and when they sat down to dinner.

    They didn’t have much time and couldn’t go very far, so that to me would indicate how unlikely it is that they did it. Seeing as it’s been 13 years and still no sign of her body.


  • Posts: 21,291 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Regarding disposal of body I did a direction search on Google Maps and it is a calculated 34 minute drive at normal driving speed from Ocean Club to the south-western sheer cliffs at Cap Sao Vincente, where there is an adjacent car park. A body deposited over these wild cliffs would unlikely to be seen again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Christian B report, chilling and a real weirdo by this account


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Christian B report, chilling and a real weirdo by this account


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    https://youtu.be/uS6ucYudNAo

    It's an old one but worth a watch if it hasn't been seen. An FBI statement analyst goes through some interviews with Kate and Gerry. This guy really knows hows to read people hes excellent

    I had a listen and I think he just verbalises what many of us feel.
    In many of the interviews with them- their concern seems to be more about defending themselves from the accusations of neglect.

    We expect them not to talk about concern for themselves, but concern for Madeleline right at that moment.

    This would be a big red flag for statement analysers. It's probably why the police and press suspected them like they did.

    Here is a great channel on Youtube, detailing 14 cases where the statement analysis was extremely useful for investigators. Many high profile cases that were in the news i.e. Lee Rodarte, Stephanie Lazarus, Chris Watts etc..


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