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Madeleine McCann

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  • #1412
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    At the risk of being banned, the parents should have known better.

    But anyway all this talk of yer man in prison and potential accomplices. Doesn’t sit right with me.

    If it was a pedo ring, would they really rely on transient bar staff to inform them.

    It’s really Occams Razor time now.


  • #1413
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    At the risk of being banned, the parents should have known better.

    But anyway all this talk of yer man in prison and potential accomplices. Doesn’t sit right with me.

    If it was a pedo ring, would they really rely on transient bar staff to inform them.

    It’s really Occams Razor time now.

    Lest we forget, it must be at least 2 pages since anyone brought that up.


  • #1414
    ronivek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    At the risk of being banned, the parents should have known better.

    But anyway all this talk of yer man in prison and potential accomplices. Doesn’t sit right with me.

    If it was a pedo ring, would they really rely on transient bar staff to inform them.

    It’s really Occams Razor time now.

    Because the "simplest" explanation is that the McCann's killed one of their three children for no apparent reason and managed to eliminate all traces of hard evidence including disposing of the body whilst having dinner with 7 other people 50 yards away?

    Or maybe you're suggesting that the McCann's conspired with 7 other people to murder one of their three children and that they have somehow been able to keep it secret for 13 years?

    Or you'll claim it was some horrible accident and likewise those 7 people conspired to cover it up instead of oh I don't know calling an ambulance and resolving the situation the same way every other fatal accident gets resolved?

    Whatever about speculating during the early weeks and months of the whole saga: given the amount of information out there about the disappearance now I have no clue how you people are still touting such rubbish.


  • #1415
    368100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,067 ✭✭✭368100


    Rock77 wrote: »
    No forced entry- the place wasn’t locked.. no need

    No fingerprints- gloves

    No struggles- the child was 3.....

    The dogs-I haven’t seen but they can only give an indication where to look if I’m correct and nothing was found.

    A guy saw a man carrying a child...

    The only thing remotely here that points to the McCanns in anyway whatsoever is the dogs in my opinion.

    How did they have dogs away abroad on holidays with them?


  • #1416
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    Report here that the defense team of yer man have quit w/o giving a reason.

    https://www.thelocal.de/20200611/german-maddie-suspect-refusing-to-speak-out-madeleine-mccann

    Not sure how significant it is but seems odd unless they feel he’s a lost cause...


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  • #1417
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    At the risk of being banned, the parents should have known better.

    But anyway all this talk of yer man in prison and potential accomplices. Doesn’t sit right with me.

    If it was a pedo ring, would they really rely on transient bar staff to inform them.

    It’s really Occams Razor time now.

    Genuine question...do you even know what that means?


  • #1418
    seenitall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭seenitall


    MonsterCookie wrote: »
    Report here that the defense team of yer man have quit w/o giving a reason.

    https://www.thelocal.de/20200611/german-maddie-suspect-refusing-to-speak-out-madeleine-mccann

    Not sure how significant it is but seems odd unless they feel he’s a lost cause...

    I'd say he isn't cooperating with them in such a way that they would feel enabled to do a proper job of it. What else could it be?


  • #1419
    Flippyfloppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,749 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    MonsterCookie wrote: »
    Report here that the defense team of yer man have quit w/o giving a reason.

    https://www.thelocal.de/20200611/german-maddie-suspect-refusing-to-speak-out-madeleine-mccann

    Not sure how significant it is but seems odd unless they feel he’s a lost cause...

    And now he has a brand new defense team who is threatening lawsuits on people who spoke badly about his character recently.

    Odd, where/who did this new team come from!


  • #1420
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    Not sure if this was posted already,

    Hazel Behan was a holiday rep in the Algarve at the time. She’s come forward earlier this week to give her account of how she was beaten and raped by someone in her own apartment in 2004. It’s horrific to say least.

    She was told to keep quiet about it, presumably by the Police. Disgusting.

    Her description of her attacker includes reference to a birthmark or scar on the upper thigh which according to the Guardian Is significant as CB is supposed to have one.

    What also strikes me about Hazel Behan’s attacker: he paid attention to detail. Took his shoes off, kept cleaning his hands, changed condoms regularly.

    None of this proves he was inolved in Madeleine McCanns. However Id say the german police have more evidence than what they’ve gone public with. Could they have video footage of his attacks for example?


  • #1421
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    MonsterCookie wrote: »
    Not sure if this was posted already,

    Hazel Behan was a holiday rep in the Algarve at the time. She’s come forward earlier this week to give her account of how she was beaten and raped by someone in her own apartment in 2004. It’s horrific to say least.

    She was told to keep quiet about it, presumably by the Police. Disgusting.

    Her description of her attacker includes reference to a birthmark or scar on the upper thigh which according to the Guardian Is significant as CB is supposed to have one.

    What also strikes me about Hazel Behan’s attacker: he paid attention to detail. Took his shoes off, kept cleaning his hands, changed condoms regularly.

    None of this proves he was inolved in Madeleine McCanns. However Id say the german police have more evidence than what they’ve gone public with. Could they have video footage of his attacks for example?

    It would explain the lack of evidence in the room she was abducted from with his level of attention to detail and you can only imagine what they have (Police) if they are giving us this much detail. Hazel deserves a huge debt of gratitude as she’s done this to catch the killer and put him away forever at the expense of herself and her family. That’s the ultimate in humanity. I applaud her to the highest degree.


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  • #1422
    Day Lewin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    MonsterCookie wrote: »
    Not sure if this was posted already,

    Hazel Behan was a holiday rep in the Algarve at the time. She’s come forward earlier this week to give her account of how she was beaten and raped by someone in her own apartment in 2004. It’s horrific to say least.

    She was told to keep quiet about it, presumably by the Police. Disgusting.

    Her description of her attacker includes reference to a birthmark or scar on the upper thigh which according to the Guardian Is significant as CB is supposed to have one.

    What also strikes me about Hazel Behan’s attacker: he paid attention to detail. Took his shoes off, kept cleaning his hands, changed condoms regularly.

    None of this proves he was involved in Madeleine McCanns. However Id say the german police have more evidence than what they’ve gone public with. Could they have video footage of his attacks for example?

    He is known to have video'ed other attacks. And a photo of a certain room with a fixed beam has begun to circulate, (I don't know who started that)

    It seems extremely likely that the German police are in touch with a person who has chosen to tell-tale; and they may have access to either C B's computer or to material he shared on pervert websites.

    They recently upgraded the investigation to a Murder case: this isn't done out of the blue, gratuitously, on hearsay. Something has changed. There has to be new evidence, of some kind.


  • #1423
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    368100 wrote: »
    How did they have dogs away abroad on holidays with them?

    The dogs being referenced were cadaver dogs brought in to search for Madeline. The dogs reactions have been dismissed by McCann supporters and seized upon by those that believe the child was killed in the apartment.


  • #1424
    Mules
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Mules


    This is the only crime I've heard of where some people think it's acceptable to blame the victims. They left their kids in the apartment so somehow they are to blame rather than the paedophile who likely took her:rolleyes:


  • #1425
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Mules wrote: »
    This is the only crime I've heard of where some people think it's acceptable to blame the victims. They left their kids in the apartment so somehow they are to blame rather than the paedophile who likely took her:rolleyes:

    The only confirmed victim is Madeline.


  • #1426
    Mules
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Mules


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The only confirmed victim is Madeline.

    Seriously? When a child is taken the whole family suffers. Can you imagine spending 13 years wondering what happened to your child, not even knowing if she's dead or alive.


  • #1427
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Mules wrote: »
    Seriously? When a child is taken the whole family suffers. Can you imagine spending 13 years wondering what happened to your child, not even knowing if she's dead or alive.

    Yep I'm serious, you feel Gerry and Kate are victims I'm not convinced they are.


  • #1428
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Mules wrote: »
    This is the only crime I've heard of where some people think it's acceptable to blame the victims. They left their kids in the apartment so somehow they are to blame rather than the paedophile who likely took her:rolleyes:


    Well if the acted like responsible parents their child would still be with them . So they do have some blame .


  • #1429
    thecomedian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭thecomedian


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The only confirmed victim is Madeline.

    Ignorance at it highest


  • #1430
    Mules
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Mules


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Well if the acted like responsible parents their child would still be with them . So they do have some blame .

    Are parents supposed to be on 24/7 guard against paedophiles? You do know what happened is very rare, they can't be blamed for the action of a criminal. I find the glee some people have about the tragedy bizarre. Everyone makes parenting mistakes but very few people have to deal with consequences as serious as this.


  • #1431
    DellyBelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Mules wrote: »
    Seriously? When a child is taken the whole family suffers. Can you imagine spending 13 years wondering what happened to your child, not even knowing if she's dead or alive.

    This is true. Over the years I have often thought what really happened to Maddie but I can imagine for the family it must be a daily occurence thinking about what happened her..must be torture.

    My only hope is that Maddie didn't suffer...


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  • #1432
    Mules
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Mules


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    This is true. Over the years I have often thought what really happened to Maddie but I can imagine for the family it must be a daily occurence thinking about what happened her..must be torture.

    My only hope is that Maddie didn't suffer...

    I hope she didn't suffer either. It doesn't bear thinking about. I honestly don't understand why the law allows people like the German man out of prison to commit more of the same crimes. He obviously is beyond rehabilitation.


  • #1433
    thecomedian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭thecomedian


    Mules wrote: »
    I hope she didn't suffer either. It doesn't bear thinking about. I honestly don't understand why the law allows people like the German man out of prison to commit more of the same crimes. He obviously is beyond rehabilitation.

    People like him should never be let out. Absolute scum.
    How many kids has he abused in his life?


  • #1434
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    thecomedian wrote: »
    Ignorance at it highest

    Ignorance? Care to explain yourself?


  • #1435
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Mules wrote: »
    Are parents supposed to be on 24/7 guard against paedophiles? You do know what happened is very rare, they can't be blamed for the action of a criminal. I find the glee some people have about the tragedy bizarre. Everyone makes parenting mistakes but very few people have to deal with consequences as serious as this.

    They should've served jail time for neglect of their children which let to her abduction

    If anyone doesnt agree with that they are mad


  • #1436
    Day Lewin
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    They should've served jail time for neglect of their children which let to her abduction

    If anyone doesnt agree with that they are mad

    The complacent glee of finger-pointing at the negligent should never deflect us from wanting to track down the wicked criminal who deliberately chose a terrible evil..

    No parent is perfect; if ever a parent regretted a choice it must be the McCanns. Rubbed in with extra salt, every day of their lives.

    If you are a perfect parent who never made a poor choice, I congratulate you.
    If you are fallible like the rest of us, kindly shut up. And hope that poor choices will be forgiven.


  • #1437
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    They should've served jail time for neglect of their children which let to her abduction

    If anyone doesnt agree with that they are mad

    well now...you're entitled to your views, but i would say that's harsh and unrealistic.

    let's follow it through for a second...

    assuming there was an abduction, and the punishment you speak of is purely for leaving the kids unattended (assuming there is an associated crime proven) ...what sort of sentence would be appropriate? would you want the same punishment for other parents? For example, I presume there would be plenty of cases of kids being left in similar circumstances. or do you think they should be punished more severely because the 3 year old was abducted - so they share some of the responsibility if you like...

    I'm not defending them BTW - i think they did something very stupid. I'd never have left my kids when they were that young (not even with baby sitters). We'd always feed them, get them off to sleep and then bring them to dinner with us - people in Mediterranean countries are generally very accommodating of children at the dinner table and in my experience would always find parking space beside the table for the kids buggies.


  • #1438
    TheW1zard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Ignorance? Care to explain yourself?

    Do you not think the siblings are victims!?


  • #1439
    Flippyfloppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,749 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    They should've served jail time for neglect of their children which let to her abduction

    If anyone doesnt agree with that they are mad

    By that logic would everyone who used a baby listening service at those types of resorts serve jail time too? Also Best lock up the providers of those baby listening services too.


  • #1440
    anndub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭anndub


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    if you found your child missing from their room you would think she had wandered off ect not that they have taken her. thats a very strange turn of phrase to say so early . you would start searching around and moving stuff to see if she was there. you would shout her name to see if she was around the area.

    Actually no, I wouldn't. As a parent of a little girl who is currently the same age I would not assume she had wandered as it's just not something she would do. Children are different and a parent knows their child. My daughter never gets out of bed, even if she wakes she will stay there and call for us until we come. Perhaps Madeleine was the same


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  • #1441
    thecomedian
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    Flippyfloppy wrote: »
    And now he has a brand new defense team who is threatening lawsuits on people who spoke badly about his character recently.

    Odd, where/who did this new team come from!

    Very strange. He isn’t saying anything at all.

    I wonder what else they have on him that they’re not telling?


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