Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

road_high · 13-06-2020 01:34PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

What a waste of taxpayers money. 6/7 Gardai around 1 Penneys?

Our govt must be either loaded - or Gardai have absolutely nothing to do.

In both cases the waste is building up dramatically.

Surely someone in the Dail must bring this up?

PS barely any social distancing in the queue, surprise surprise, at 0:12 see a group of 10 teenagers huddling. :rolleyes:

Yes the Gardai have been off the charts hysterical though out Covid mania. From checking people’s car boots for groceries to mobile homes they clearly are over resourced when they had the time and money to lavish on such OTT crap. This was a police force I did once respect but that’s out the window. I’m from a very middle class background I might add, have no axe to grind with AGS, have a relation in the force.
There is a huge bill racked up for all this, we haven’t got to the tip of the iceberg yet but reckon we will all know about it come budget time. Quite worrying actually how slow many businesses appear to be about re opening too. Several big names gone with 1000s of jobs permanently gone. The leisure and hospitality sector is absolute ****e show.

13-06-2020 01:34PM

khalessi wrote: »

You do realise the unions havent said anything.It has all been NPHET and Dept OF Ed.

They just did, on lunchtime News, one of the secondary teachers unions, slamming Minister for Education, they're not one bit happy!!

khalessi · 13-06-2020 01:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They just did, on lunchtime News, one of the secondary teachers unions, slamming Minister for Education, they're not one bit happy!!

Of course they arent happy the government, instead of the guidance they promised, just came out and put schools in the firing line. I think the Dept of Education has handled covid education very badly throughout this whole period and the bad feelings on here for teachers is misdirected and should be aimed at the Dept of Ed.

road_high · 13-06-2020 01:39PM

khalessi wrote: »

You do realise the unions havent said anything.It has all been NPHET and Dept OF Ed.

Oh really? https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/teachers-alarmed-at-plan-to-reopen-schools-without-social-distancing-1.4277915%3fmode=amp

khalessi · 13-06-2020 01:43PM

road_high wrote: »

Oh really? https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/teachers-alarmed-at-plan-to-reopen-schools-without-social-distancing-1.4277915%3fmode=amp

Yeah we covered that since I posted they said something thanks for the heads up. Point still stands the Dept of Education has acted disgracefully through all of this and has provided no guidance for teachers at all through this and yet happy enough to provide a couple of soundbites and offer teachers up as the enemy instead getting off their asses and doing what they said they would do. Disgraceful, your ire should not be at teachers but the Dept for the bad handling of the whole covid education. Congrats to the Dept for artful deflection instead of providing guidance like they said they would

road_high · 13-06-2020 01:44PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They just did, on lunchtime News, one of the secondary teachers unions, slamming Minister for Education, they're not one bit happy!!

Right well if they’re not willing to go to work it’s time to look at pay reduction measures for teachers- only logical- if you’re not working to the full capacity then you’re not getting the full salary.
Schools have been shut for 3 months now - it’s time the Teachers showed a little bit of drive and enthusiasm to get doing what they’re paid to do- teach

RoryMac · 13-06-2020 01:44PM

road_high wrote: »

Yes the Gardai have been off the charts hysterical though out Covid mania. From checking people’s car boots for groceries to mobile homes they clearly are over resourced when they had the time and money to lavish on such OTT crap.

In my experience the Gardai have fine during "Covid mania", a few tales online about their Gestapo like approach doesn't change the reality. They were right to crack down on people travelling the country to holiday homes and outside of a bigger public presence at the start and at bank holidays they haven't seemed to that proactive in enforcing the lockdown.

Any checkpoints I passed going to/from work have been fine, quick question about where I'm going and sometimes show them my letter and on my way within a minute

road_high · 13-06-2020 01:51PM

RoryMac wrote: »

In my experience the Gardai have fine during "Covid mania", a few tales online about their Gestapo like approach doesn't change the reality. They were right to crack down on people travelling the country to holiday homes and outside of a bigger public presence at the start and at bank holidays they haven't seemed to that proactive in enforcing the lockdown.

Any checkpoints I passed going to/from work have been fine, quick question about where I'm going and sometimes show them my letter and on my way within a minute

Yes it was mania, mania on a national scale. It’s too early for the masses to admit that as many need to believe they were buying into a collective “all in it together” sham.
I never agreed with this approach and remain unconvinced any of it led to any reduction in Covid 19 cases anywhere.
In the main it was simply Non sensical hysterical rubbish while it (C-19) was allowed run rampant in care homes and some hospitals- this is where the resourcing needed to be focused but wasn’t hence our less than flattering figures.

khalessi · 13-06-2020 01:55PM

road_high wrote: »

Right well if they’re not willing to go to work it’s time to look at pay reduction measures for teachers- only logical- if you’re not working to the full capacity then you’re not getting the full salary.
Schools have been shut for 3 months now - it’s time the Teachers showed a little bit of drive and enthusiasm to get doing what they’re paid to do- teach

It is time the government did what they said they would do and lead. Not providing guidance is typical of how they have managed education throughout this whole time. It has been ramshackle and children are suffering and teachers are being thrown to the wolves now in order to hide government incompetance. So the spotlight will be on teachers and not on an incompetant government.

KrustyUCC · 13-06-2020 01:57PM

Gerry Killeen is definitely one for strong predictions

Covid-19: 'I could guarantee you a biblical plague by Christmas,' warns UCC Professor

"Easing restrictions is not a prevention measure he says, and he warns that the phased easing of Covid restrictions here will re-ignite transmission of the disease.

If we were to follow it [the phased roadmap plan] as it is laid out and let things rip without re-imposing any restrictions, I could guarantee you a biblical plague by Christmas.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/covid-19-i-could-guarantee-you-a-biblical-plague-by-christmas-warns-ucc-professor-1004958.html

RoryMac · 13-06-2020 02:02PM

road_high wrote: »

Yes it was mania, mania on a national scale. It’s too early for the masses to admit that as many need to believe they were buying into a collective “all in it together” sham.
I never agreed with this approach and remain unconvinced any of it led to any reduction in Covid 19 cases anywhere.
In the main it was simply Non sensical hysterical rubbish while it (C-19) was allowed run rampant in care homes and some hospitals- this is where the resourcing needed to be focused but wasn’t hence our less than flattering figures.

Oh I agree it was mania and for me we have been far too slow to relax the restrictions but to call the Garda enforcement during Covid as hysterical is way OTT.

If anything they rightly gave up any type of enforcement weeks ago

The HorsesMouth · 13-06-2020 02:08PM

khalessi wrote: »

It is time the government did what they said they would do and lead. Not providing guidance is typical of how they have managed education throughout this whole time. It has been ramshackle and children are suffering and teachers are being thrown to the wolves now in order to hide government incompetance. So the spotlight will be on teachers and not on an incompetant government.

As a matter of interest what would you suggest they do? What guidance should they give? That's a genuine question now. I just think they can't win. Tell everyone we are sticking to 2m..then children back to school only one day a week and parents are giving out. Tell everyone we're back fully with no social distancing...and the unions are giving out.
Are are saying no social distancing because in September the country won't be social distancing?

average_runner · 13-06-2020 02:12PM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

As a matter of interest what would you suggest they do? What guidance should they give? That's a genuine question now. I just think they can't win. Tell everyone we are sticking to 2m..then children back to school only one day a week and parents are giving out. Tell everyone we're back fully with no social distancing...and the unions are giving out.
Are are saying no social distancing because in September the country won't be social distancing?

There will be social distancing in schools and why should there be?
Kids will be back at sports in August and playing matches

13-06-2020 02:15PM

RoryMac wrote: »

In my experience the Gardai have fine during "Covid mania", a few tales online about their Gestapo like approach doesn't change the reality. They were right to crack down on people travelling the country to holiday homes and outside of a bigger public presence at the start and at bank holidays they haven't seemed to that proactive in enforcing the lockdown.

Any checkpoints I passed going to/from work have been fine, quick question about where I'm going and sometimes show them my letter and on my way within a minute

The difference is your experiences is actually what occurred for the majority of people and isn't full of bullsh1t

average_runner · 13-06-2020 02:17PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

The difference is your experiences is actually what occurred for the majority of people and isn't full of bullsh1t

I was stopped over 8 times, a very pleasant experience.

Goldengirl · 13-06-2020 02:24PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

The reality is that for the sake of society and the economy we need schools, crèches and public transport at the highest possible capacity.

How about innovation?

Two days a week the GAA, rugby, athletics and football clubs get involved and the kids do sports. We will have the fittest healthiest children in Europe.

A mad idea but we may need a few mad ideas.

Great idea!

History Queen · 13-06-2020 02:24PM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

As a matter of interest what would you suggest they do? What guidance should they give? That's a genuine question now. I just think they can't win. Tell everyone we are sticking to 2m..then children back to school only one day a week and parents are giving out. Tell everyone we're back fully with no social distancing...and the unions are giving out.
Are are saying no social distancing because in September the country won't be social distancing?

I'm a teacher and agree social distancing in schools isn't practical. Won't work with our school sizes and numbers but I do think clear guidance on hygiene and cleaning protocols as well as what to do in the event of a staff member or student presenting with symptoms is thebare minimum we should expect. Weare not happy that thevaguewording ofthe document published promises this. Remember most schools in the country already rely on fundraising and parental contributions for basics such as toilet paper and hygiene.

13-06-2020 02:27PM

average_runner wrote: »

I was stopped over 8 times, a very pleasant experience.

Normally do a two week shop, apart from bread and milk.
Got stopped about five times in the last two months, once on the way to the vet, same experience as yourself.
Missus has been working throughout and had to drive to work every day. Stopped a few times by the same garda and as soon as they seen that it was her waived her through.

13-06-2020 02:34PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Gerry Killeen is definitely one for strong predictions

Covid-19: 'I could guarantee you a biblical plague by Christmas,' warns UCC Professor

"Easing restrictions is not a prevention measure he says, and he warns that the phased easing of Covid restrictions here will re-ignite transmission of the disease.

If we were to follow it [the phased roadmap plan] as it is laid out and let things rip without re-imposing any restrictions, I could guarantee you a biblical plague by Christmas.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/covid-19-i-could-guarantee-you-a-biblical-plague-by-christmas-warns-ucc-professor-1004958.html

He’s just loving his time in the spotlight and trying to milk it as much as he can

khalessi · 13-06-2020 02:37PM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

As a matter of interest what would you suggest they do? What guidance should they give? That's a genuine question now. I just think they can't win. Tell everyone we are sticking to 2m..then children back to school only one day a week and parents are giving out. Tell everyone we're back fully with no social distancing...and the unions are giving out.
Are are saying no social distancing because in September the country won't be social distancing?

Well they could start with leading by example. If it is so safe all TDs back in Dail. They could comment properly on hand sanitizer and cleaning protocols for schools. McHugh mentioned a few weeks ago that there was no money available but he was discussing a budget for cleaning in schools, so where is the update. They want extended July provision up and running in 3 weeks and have provided no guidance, they could provide guidance.

I am a teacher I will be back teaching in September but I would have liked some guidance throughout this time and have not received anything unless the Dept asked us what we were doing and then reissued what we were doing in a Dept document. Their "bespoke" comment implies nothing will be issued by dept but that it will be left to schools to sort out.

Maybe I am crazy but I was hoping for some leadership from the Department instead we got the usual soundbites for d media and teachers made the badguys. The spotlight and ire should be on the abysmal government handling of education from the outset, not on the teachers who have tried their best with little to no guidance from the Department up to now.

Goldengirl · 13-06-2020 02:38PM

History Queen wrote: »

I'm a teacher and agree social distancing in schools isn't practical. Won't work with our school sizes and numbers but I do think clear guidance on hygiene and cleaning protocols as well as what to do in the event of a staff member or student presenting with symptoms is thebare minimum we should expect. Weare not happy that thevaguewording ofthe document published promises this. Remember most schools in the country already rely on fundraising and parental contributions for basics such as toilet paper and hygiene.

Agree.
We are talking about using schools as a mass experiment in the event this virus is still in the community unless strict guidance and financial help provided to ensure every school is doing the same thing .

facehugger99 · 13-06-2020 02:41PM

pawdee wrote: »

Strictly speaking (according to government guidelines) are we allowed to have people from other households stay the night yet? My teenage daughter lives with my ex wife but usually stays with me at weekends. She hasn't stayed now for months.

We had the kids cousins over a couple of times now for sleepovers.

Make your own decisions and don't be waiting for Mammy Harris to do your thinking for you.

13-06-2020 03:42PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Gerry Killeen is definitely one for strong predictions

Covid-19: 'I could guarantee you a biblical plague by Christmas,' warns UCC Professor

"Easing restrictions is not a prevention measure he says, and he warns that the phased easing of Covid restrictions here will re-ignite transmission of the disease.

If we were to follow it [the phased roadmap plan] as it is laid out and let things rip without re-imposing any restrictions, I could guarantee you a biblical plague by Christmas.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/covid-19-i-could-guarantee-you-a-biblical-plague-by-christmas-warns-ucc-professor-1004958.html

Interesting background he has. Nothing in it to say why we should listen to him over other experts however. A generalist who happened to get into malaria research by chance and has spent most of his working life in Africa, but does not have a background in epidemiology, immunology or virology, and is out of touch with Irish society given he only returned here in march

Ginger n Lemon · 13-06-2020 03:51PM

Okay - so I've spent 3 hours in Dublin city centre today, unfortunately things arent as good as one would think (accelerated turtle plan or not)

1 - About 30% of retail shops are closed. Even those which have street entrance. Jervis, Ilac, St Green seemed like a morgue, some idiotic arrows on the floor that nobody is following (childs play?), 90% of stores closed within shopping centres, no music/no seating/ nothing basically. Jervis had JD, Tesco, PC world, Boots and Argos opened....... and M&S (all on ground floor only).

2 - About 5% of stores around Grafton street closed permanently. Stores like Aran shop, some boutiques like My Sisters Closet (on Dawson St), Oasis had their liquidating sale. All in all - very grim, every 8th shop on Grafton St was permanently closed/vacant (includes Monsoon)

3 - queues. Damn queues into EVERY shop. Some small stores had a sign "2 customers allowed into the shop at a time", those very small stores were completely empty too, welcoming.

Had a burger takeaway and unfortunately quality isnt the same, no water/no seating had to eat on a bench (took like 10 minutes to get to one too), cant wash hands. Damn seagulls staring you down. As much as Id love to support "local economy" the whole experience feels like some sort of post apocalyptic world. If it was raining at lunchtime - I think the whole Dublin city centre would seem like a ghost town.

All in all - 1-2% of masks uptake, 0 social distancing when walking, very little social distancing in the queues. Businesses are being absolutely massacred. Today is a bloody Saturday as well yet it felt like 11 AM Monday shopping. I think the budget in October will be extremely severe, there are just way too many jobs lost, businesses shut down and trading activity seems like 10-15% of pre covid, unfortunately.

average_runner · 13-06-2020 03:53PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

The reality is that for the sake of society and the economy we need schools, crèches and public transport at the highest possible capacity.

How about innovation?

Two days a week the GAA, rugby, athletics and football clubs get involved and the kids do sports. We will have the fittest healthiest children in Europe.

A mad idea but we may need a few mad ideas.

That be great with the sports. Are you go to help out also?

Most will be back at.the of june.

But most have kept the sport going during the lockdown with daily challenges, zoom training sessions etc.

Naked Lepper · 13-06-2020 03:55PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Okay - so I've spent 3 hours in Dublin city centre today, unfortunately things arent as good as one would think (accelerated turtle plan or not)

1 - About 30% of retail shops are closed. Even those which have street entrance. Jervis, Ilac, St Green seemed like a morgue, some idiotic arrows on the floor that nobody is following (childs play?), 90% of stores closed within shopping centres, no music/no seating/ nothing basically. Jervis had JD, Tesco, PC world, Boots and Argos opened....... and M&S (all on ground floor only).

2 - About 5% of stores around Grafton street closed permanently. Stores like Aran shop, some boutiques like My Sisters Closet (on Dawson St), Oasis had their liquidating sale. All in all - very grim, every 8th shop on Grafton St was permanently closed/vacant (includes Monsoon)

3 - queues. Damn queues into EVERY shop. Some small stores had a sign "2 customers allowed into the shop at a time", those very small stores were completely empty too, welcoming.

Had a burger takeaway and unfortunately quality isnt the same, no water/no seating had to eat on a bench (took like 10 minutes to get to one too), cant wash hands. Damn seagulls staring you down. As much as Id love to support "local economy" the whole experience feels like some sort of post apocalyptic world. If it was raining at lunchtime - I think the whole Dublin city centre would seem like a ghost town.

All in all - 1-2% of masks uptake, 0 social distancing when walking, very little social distancing in the queues. Businesses are being absolutely massacred. Today is a bloody Saturday as well yet it felt like 11 AM Monday shopping. I think the budget in October will be extremely severe, there are just way too many jobs lost, businesses shut down and trading activity seems like 10-15% of pre covid, unfortunately.

it will take time for things to pick up
hopefully they will improve soon as the virus continues to disappear in ireland

stephenjmcd · 13-06-2020 03:56PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Okay - so I've spent 3 hours in Dublin city centre today, unfortunately things arent as good as one would think (accelerated turtle plan or not)

1 - About 30% of retail shops are closed. Even those which have street entrance. Jervis, Ilac, St Green seemed like a morgue, some idiotic arrows on the floor that nobody is following (childs play?), 90% of stores closed within shopping centres, no music/no seating/ nothing basically. Jervis had JD, Tesco, PC world, Boots and Argos opened....... and M&S (all on ground floor only).

2 - About 5% of stores around Grafton street closed permanently. Stores like Aran shop, some boutiques like My Sisters Closet (on Dawson St), Oasis had their liquidating sale. All in all - very grim, every 8th shop on Grafton St was permanently closed/vacant (includes Monsoon)

3 - queues. Damn queues into EVERY shop. Some small stores had a sign "2 customers allowed into the shop at a time", those very small stores were completely empty too, welcoming.

Had a burger takeaway and unfortunately quality isnt the same, no water/no seating had to eat on a bench (took like 10 minutes to get to one too), cant wash hands. Damn seagulls staring you down. As much as Id love to support "local economy" the whole experience feels like some sort of post apocalyptic world. If it was raining at lunchtime - I think the whole Dublin city centre would seem like a ghost town.

All in all - 1-2% of masks uptake, 0 social distancing when walking, very little social distancing in the queues. Businesses are being absolutely massacred. Today is a bloody Saturday as well yet it felt like 11 AM Monday shopping. I think the budget in October will be extremely severe, there are just way too many jobs lost, businesses shut down and trading activity seems like 10-15% of pre covid, unfortunately.

Having been in town only an hour or two ago, Grafton Street and Henry Street are quite busy today to be fair, lots of pictures on social media, seems to have picked up as the weather got a little better.

In terms of shops opening, they weren't all prepared to be allowed to open yet so some wont be open until next week as they hadn't got everything in place.

But yes anywhere I've been once your in the shop out of the queue theres no social distancing and people ignoring the one way systems etc.

Footfall in the city yesterday was about half of a normal day and well up on the previous week so its getting there, it'll just take time.

Utopia Parkway · 13-06-2020 04:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

He’s just loving his time in the spotlight and trying to milk it as much as he can

Gerry may be right or he may be wrong. Time will tell. I sense a very large ego at work any time I hear from him though and it comes across in that article again. I'd have little doubt that he's enjoying his current notoriety.

road_high · 13-06-2020 04:22PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

We had the kids cousins over a couple of times now for sleepovers.

Make your own decisions and don't be waiting for Mammy Harris to do your thinking for you.

That fruit loop would keep this nonsense up forever. Using it to redeem his lacklustre reputation. Utter joke. Agendas all over the shop with Covid mania

Drumpot · 13-06-2020 04:26PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

The reality is that for the sake of society and the economy we need schools, crèches and public transport at the highest possible capacity.

How about innovation?

Two days a week the GAA, rugby, athletics and football clubs get involved and the kids do sports. We will have the fittest healthiest children in Europe.

A mad idea but we may need a few mad ideas.

I think you are spot on and that’s actually a great start for an idea.

We need new ideas , fresh ideas and to be more progressive at thinking about this long term. It’s idiotic to try and shoe horn our exact same lives/lifestyle around this but unfortunately we are usually left with very close minded people who are only at top positions of business and politics because they knew how to play the game, not how to change it.

Wonder how many painful lessons will we have to take from nature before changing our world to fit in with it...

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings