Masks

https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1271337273347444737

this arugument is 3 months too late as are the recommendations from tony holohan, should be mandatory on public transport (and for drivers)

Arrival wrote: »

Wasn't there one lad trying to get a mask manufacturing machine from Germany to start producing and selling them for cost price for the population? He tried to even get working with the HSE but apparently they didn't respond to him. He's from Galway I think

Yeah A,

Neil O Sands from MEASC.IE, concept was cost price to keep the country ticking, modeled on soundness. One of the Bravo Charlie Tango bikers said yesterday that he might have smuggeled a surgical mask making machine into Sligo, when I know I will share. Also BTC biker said that a source for polypropylene is available in large quantites in Scotland to the Irish DIY facecovering maker to use instead of socks and jocks. BTC very rock n roll.

YES HSE did not get into bed with him. HSE happy to blow 1 billion annually on airbridging PPE, refused all domestic production initiatives and offers that I have heard of, HSE starting to look at some near shore options, very hazy info regarding that, defo nothing homegrown being considered.

Hmmm, it's almost as if cough etiquette, a measure which intends to reduce droplets escaping the nose and mouth, serves a different purpose than having people wear something which provides a barrier over their nose and mouth. Hmmm!!!

You might be very close to hitting a nail on the head there, but with so little transparency and zero journalistic umph we may never get to the bottom of why it's not called droplet etiquette! But we can try

My hunch is that the phrase cough etiquette was created when HSE/NPHET/STATE(HNS) reduced the 3 modes of droplet transmission down to just 2 modes when forming covid-19 guidance. Originally, all 3 modes of transmission, talking, coughing and sneezing were cited in pre covid-19 HSE droplet spread literature and in the 2009 pandemic literature etc. When drawing up guidance HNS must have realised that they could deal with coughing and sneezing spread easily with tissues and hand washing advice at low cost but spread by talking was going to present problems. The only logical solution would have been masks, which would have dealt with all three modes of transmission but with low stock levels and possible supply issues because of high demand and airbridge issues along with expense and resources needed to educating and cost of supply of masks for public for duration of pandemic(hence why mask guidance was never pre phase 6). Talking got scrubbed as a mode of transmission, you can hear them now, 2 out of 3 ain't bad, sure it will be grand, none of us want to wear one anyway. We'd look daft, let alone hide all our perfect smiles that our water flouridation policy has created. So the HNS choose to omit talking as a mode of transmission and droplet etiquette became cough etiquette, the HNS magic shield, the lazier and cheaper option at the time.

What HNS don't realise yet is they have lost the majority of public trust. I say majority because a select percentage had enough cop on not to put any trust in the HNS before this started. Uptake is never going to get to the level needed to operate safely without confessions from HNS, so be prepared for another lockdown and wait for the blame to be pointed at the general public for poor mask uptake.

Had talking been talked about as a mode of transmission to the general public from the start instead of being hidden behind a mask, how different things would be.

I still recon that there is still going to be confusion on the whole mask wearing thing.

On one hand they are not mandatory. I can happily go along with my business without wearing one. The taoiseach did earlier did recommended them, however not to criticise or judge people for not wearing them.

In my view, make them mandatory or just recommend them and leave it at that.

I think a situation is going to emerge that people not wearing masks will be stigmatised which is not good and could loose the good will of a cohort of society.

Never mind being stigmatised for not wearing a mask, I’ve experienced the most ridiculous and discriminatory behaviour for wearing one. I was refused to be served by an employee in a retail environment. Took a lot of explaining that I was protecting others by wearing a mask and gloves, not that I actually had Covid . And have had people l don’t know query why I’m wearing one and been laughed at. It won’t stop me wearing one but people need to be educated as to why others are wearing them.

In a similar position to you. Have ordered one very like that one. Should be receiving it this week. Where did you get yours?

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

The advice is clear. Yet people think it's just an option.

Of course they do, because it's only advice. So everyone is gonna do whatever they want. Masks were mandatory back at home, and cops were able to give you fine for not wearing one, plus you were turned back to go home. And it worked, of course there was a few tools as always complaining about their rights and similar BS, but most of the nation pulled as one.

ShineOn7 wrote: »

The filters last 2 weeks each thankfully

So the square bit on it does it's own thing and you can leave it alone?




(Is Wibbs awake yet? )

Exhalation valve presumably? So easier for you to breath out, but not very helpful if you are wearing the mask to protect others.

funnydoggy wrote: »

A new petition to ask Simon Harris and NPHET to mandate masks.

Here's the link if you'd like to sign or share.

http://chng.it/GkvKPkXhPJ

TBH, if they are not following the lead from what other european countries are doing they won't be paying any attention to online poll.

They have spent all week trying to shift responsibility onto retail, business and transport.

"Shops could be doing more" - Doctor T.

What could they be doing Tony?

Rejecting the 99% of people who don't wear masks? They wouldn't be a shop for long.

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

A family member gave me one the other day (one of those sky blue ones you see everywhere) I wore it for a few minutes at home to see what it was like. It soon became uncomfortably moist and damp and was obviously a breeding ground for germs and bacteria, I also felt a bit nauseated from inhaling my own carbon dioxide. No thanks, as far as I am concerned they are more likely to damage your health than protect it!

All that after few minutes? Well in that case you better go and see your GP, because there's definitely something wrong with you