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George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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  • #8942
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    There's no good reason to push anyone in any profession. Law enforcement or otherwise. It quite clearly wasn't self defense. It's assault. Plain and simple and on camera. The police have no authority to push some one as that is assault. And as a police office he would have been trained and knows this. It's negligence.

    I'm sorry but you can't argue it wasnt.

    That is the point that a lot of people are missing, the police are not allowed to assault someone. Force must be proportional. The policeman was a young man probably well trained and physically strong.

    He should have known not to push an elderly man like that.
    I'm no genius but I know that.


  • #8943
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    your are not correct.

    if some one refuses to move minimal force can and should be used

    Minimal force was not applied here. Force was excessive and sent the gentleman to hospital with a fractured skull and internal hemorrhaging


  • #8944
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    There's no good reason to push anyone in any profession. Law enforcement or otherwise. It quite clearly wasn't self defense. It's assault. Plain and simple and on camera. The police have no authority to push some one as that is assault. And as a police office he would have been trained and knows this. It's negligence.

    I'm sorry but you can't argue it wasnt.


    By the rules of the law if someone continues to walk towards you and you tell them numerous times to stop and they continue you have a right to defend yourself , Its actually classed as assault

    The push itself was well within the bounds of reasonable force, unfortunately he lost his footing ,

    Again this is a Police officer with a fire arm so you can not let someone walk up on you like that ,

    Yes he could have been arrested but it was obvious the police man thought a simple push will get him to clear off and both could do with out the hassle of arrest but unfortunately the man feel

    How many videos of protest in the last few days have shown us police pushing people with no one batting an eye at them from the US to London


  • #8945
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Overheal wrote: »
    Minimal force was not applied here. Force was excessive and sent the gentleman to hospital with a fractured skull and internal hemorrhaging

    that's untrue , the contact between the cop and the protester was minimal in the extreme . the consequences were not

    your agenda is clouding your view of a 5 sec clip


  • #8946
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    joe40 wrote: »
    That is the point that a lot of people are missing, the police are not allowed to assault someone. Force must be proportional. The policeman was a young man probably well trained and physically strong.

    He should have known not to push an elderly man like that.
    I'm no genius but I know that.

    Now now we can’t have a sliding scale of force!? Next you will say they can’t taser a child... what’s next they have to start bringing in handcuffed suspects alive and breathing? Ha! Not ****ing likely!


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  • #8947
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Its amazing how many people hate the police but yet very few would be willing to do there job,

    Its almost thankless , The absolute sh*te the have to put u with on daily basis is unreal .

    No one wanted to see the old man hurt but seriously what a gobsh*te to put himself in that position ,
    You'd think a man of his age would know better than to be hampering police activities ,


  • #8948
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,648 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    How many videos of protest in the last few days have shown us police pushing people with no one batting an eye at them from the US to London

    None of which is right or should not be commended when carried out against peaceful protesters.


  • #8949
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    By the rules of the law if someone continues to walk towards you and you tell them numerous times to stop and they continue you have a right to defend yourself , Its actually classed as assault

    The push itself was well within the bounds of reasonable force, unfortunately he lost his footing ,

    Again this is a Police officer with a fire arm so you can not let someone walk up on you like that ,

    Yes he could have been arrested but it was obvious the police man thought a simple push will get him to clear off and both could do with out the hassle of arrest but unfortunately the man feel

    How many videos of protest in the last few days have shown us police pushing people with no one batting an eye at them from the US to London

    How many times was he told to stop? How much time was he given to respond? How hard is it to apply the correct amount of force to move a 75-year old man?


  • #8950
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    that's untrue , the contact between the cop and the protester was minimal in the extreme . the consequences were not

    your agenda is clouding your view of a 5 sec clip

    What agenda?


  • #8951
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Overheal wrote: »
    How many times was he told to stop? How much time was he given to respond? How hard is it to apply the correct amount of force to move a 75-year old man?

    again demanding answers that you know well do not exist ,


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  • #8952
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Overheal wrote: »
    Now now we can’t have a sliding scale of force!? Next you will say they can’t taser a child... what’s next they have to start bringing in handcuffed suspects alive and breathing? Ha! Not ****ing likely!

    What a stupid comment ,what have them police men have nothing to do with George Flyod ,

    Its like saying I best not go to my local GP because Harold Shipmen also GP


  • #8953
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Overheal wrote: »
    How many times was he told to stop? How much time was he given to respond? How hard is it to apply the correct amount of force to move a 75-year old man?

    Told enough times for everyone else to move, but not for him he instead walked towards them blatant ,disregard for the police instructions

    Id imagine equal as difficult to listen to police instructions ,

    Also they had no idea how old he was , his face was covered and he was brave enough to disregard there warning .


  • #8954
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    again demanding answers that you know well do not exist ,

    ?!


  • #8955
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Told enough times for everyone else to move, but not for him he instead walked towards them blatant ,disregard for the police instructions

    Id imagine equal as difficult to listen to police instructions ,

    Also they had no idea how old he was , his face was covered and he was brave enough to disregard there warning .

    You can’t spot an old man, someone who is decades your senior?


  • #8956
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Overheal wrote: »
    ?!

    its a very clear response to your very clear post , if you choose to fail to understand its all you

    like I said you agenda is hurting your ability to understand


  • #8957
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,152 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Overheal wrote: »
    You can’t spot an old man, someone who is decades your senior?

    And more excuses....

    Non stop


  • #8958
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    walshb wrote: »
    And more excuses....

    Non stop

    So stop making excuses for the police if you’re tired of excuses.


  • #8959
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,152 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Overheal wrote: »
    So stop making excuses for the police if you’re tired of excuses.

    I am not

    Police did the right thing.....no need for me to make excuses


  • #8960
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Overheal wrote: »
    You can’t spot an old man, someone who is decades your senior?

    In every picture iv seen of him he doesn't look near 75 and that me sitting down with a cup of coffee relaxing having a good look at my computer, ,

    Just put yourself in the police shoes,

    Your following orders in the middle of protest after days of hard work and worry , all of a sudden there is someone not listing to police instruction walking towards you with a mask on , he was also taller than both police officers ,

    I'd imagine they had no idea how old he was until they seen how he fell over,

    You seem to think this is like a meeting on the street where you have time to take it all in and its in relaxed environment,


  • #8961
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    In every picture iv seen of him he doesn't look near 75 and that me sitting down with a cup of coffee relaxing having a good look at my computer, ,

    ,


    Actually that is the age he is reported as.


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  • #8962
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    walshb wrote: »
    I am not

    Police did the right thing.....no need for me to make excuses

    They did the right thing? That must explain why they were suspended without pay, fired, and arrested.

    :rolleyes: will you call this another excuse? Amuse me


  • #8963
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,152 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    In every picture iv seen of him he doesn't look near 75 ,

    Just put yourself in the police shoes,

    Your following orders in the middle of protest after days of hard work and worry , all of a sudden there is someone not listing to police instruction walking towards you with a mask on , he was also taller than both police officers ,

    I'd imagine they had no idea how old he was until they seen how he fell over,

    You seem to think this is like a meeting on the street where you have time to take it all in and its in relaxed environment,

    Spot on

    Some of the nonsense that is being spouted here expecting cops to do this, that and the other for every person they ever encounter....

    To sit down with every person that confronts them to get a life history on the person? Utter rubbish

    The man made moves, kept making moves and insisted on antagonizing and challenging them.....but they were to investigate him thoroughly before they could respond in any way? Rubbish


  • #8964
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,152 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Overheal wrote: »
    They did the right thing? That must explain why they were suspended without pay, fired, and arrested.

    :rolleyes: will you call this another excuse? Amuse me

    No. Their firing is a disgrace.....but not a surprise.....cowardly act by their people to appease the mob...


  • #8965
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    walshb wrote: »
    Spot on

    Some of the nonsense that is being spouted here expecting cops to do this, that and the other for every person they ever encounter....

    To sit down with every person that confronts them to get a life history on the person? Utter rubbish

    The man made moves, kept making moves and insisted on antagonizing and challenging them.....but they were to investigate him thoroughly before they could respond in any way? Rubbish

    he did a lot in the few seconds he was standing in front of them


  • #8966
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Actually that is the age he is reported as.

    Ye I know that, my point is he doesn't look it so how could the police know he was 75 , Its in response to people saying you should never push a 75 yearold ,


  • #8967
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    walshb wrote: »
    No. Their firing is a disgrace.....but not a surprise.....cowardly act by their people to appease the mob...

    :D you are a riot unto yourself!


  • #8968
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    "The fired rookie cop who bailed out of jail on serious charges over George Floyd’s death managed to raise his $750,000 bond with the help of donations to a crowdfunding site, according to a report."

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/11/george-floyd-rookie-cop-used-crowdfunding-to-pay-750k-bail/


  • #8969
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    My post was in response to the suggestion that it seems like 'only' African Americans among minority groups engage in protests. That simply isn't true.

    That's fair enough, It just seemed you were saying they had no historical reasons to protest like other groups, I was pointing out they had, even if it wasn't as bad as other groups, but we seem to agree now.
    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    He has a constitutional right to peaceful protest.

    Do you have a constitutional right:
    To enter a crime scene?
    To walk on grass where it says "Do not walk on grass".
    To shout "Bomb" in an airport?
    To go wherever you like in a curfew?

    These things don't happen in a vacuum.
    joe40 wrote: »
    None of us are guilty of what happened in the past, no one is saying that.
    Modern day Brits aren't guilty about atrocities in Ireland it is simply part of Britains history.
    These protests are about current Events in the US not historical crimes.

    I'm not sure that's what we're seeing playing out on the ground, or at least how the media are covering it.The historical context seems to be the one being emphasized by the activists. (destroying statues, emphasis on slavery,etc..etc..)
    biko wrote: »
    SeattleAutonomousZone now has a warlord. It’s been 2 days.

    Tim Pool says it reminds him of Occupy Wall Street (which he covered intensely at the time).

    He says that there were rapists allowed to get away with their crimes at Occupy because the protestors were scared it would damage their reputation to inform the police of what happened. Everything else becomes secondary to the cause.



  • #8970
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Its amazing how many people hate the police but yet very few would be willing to do there job,

    Its almost thankless , The absolute sh*te the have to put u with on daily basis is unreal .

    No one wanted to see the old man hurt but seriously what a gobsh*te to put himself in that position ,
    You'd think a man of his age would know better than to be hampering police activities ,

    I absolutely do not hate the police and would always support the Gardai. They have their issues but on the whole I think they do a good job in difficult circumstances.

    I still fail to see how anyone can look at the video of the old man been pushed over in the manner in which he was and think it was ok.
    Then the callous manner all the police walked by without hardly a look.

    I don't believe our Gardai would have behaved like that with an elderly man and they're perfectly capable of swinging a baton when the need arises.

    Maybe they're just more professional.


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  • #8971
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    walshb wrote: »
    Spot on

    Some of the nonsense that is being spouted here expecting cops to do this, that and the other for every person they ever encounter....

    To sit down with every person that confronts them to get a life history on the person? Utter rubbish

    The man made moves, kept making moves and insisted on antagonizing and challenging them.....but they were to investigate him thoroughly before they could respond in any way? Rubbish

    100% agree
    In mass protest people expect them to listen to every single person point or they should have just arrested him , They simple don't have the ability to arrest everyone who confronts them in these protests ,


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