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George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,648 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    And he also committed no offense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    2u2me wrote: »
    If windrush shows how the UK view Afro-Caribbeans, does the Japaneses internment camps show how the US view Asians?(which you didn't mention earlier) :confused:




    "Japanese Americans and other Asians in the U.S. had suffered for decades from prejudice and racially-motivated fear. Laws preventing Asian Americans from owning land, voting, testifying against whites in court, and other racially discriminatory laws existed long before World War II."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9066

    Asians suffered horrendously often being attacked by white mobs. They were discriminatory laws, absolutely. But they were not codified laws of segregation such as the Jim Crow Laws.

    Japanese Americans were interned during WWII as their loyalty was suspect, as were German Americans. My own Great Grand Uncle among them. He had been in the US since 1919.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans

    My post was in response to the suggestion that it seems like 'only' African Americans among minority groups engage in protests. That simply isn't true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Also I seen people say the cop never went to see he was ok but if you watch the video he goes to check on him a third the other police man comes up from behind and tells him to move and looks like he radios it in which is procedure,


    Did anyone notice the guy who radios it has a different colour badge to the rest ,is this a symbol of chain of command


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Also I seen people say the cop never went to see he was ok but if you watch the video he goes to check on him a third the other police man comes up from behind and tells him to move and looks like he radios it in which is procedure,


    Did anyone notice the guy who radios it has a different colour badge to the rest ,is this a symbol of chain of command

    are you an expert on police procedure now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    acting appropriately would have been arresting him if he had committed an offence. they didnt do that.

    a genuine question here, Obviously he was using his right to protest and right of assembly but the police are within there rights to move you to a safe more adequate area that causes less issues, is he committing an offence by not moving ?

    Is it possible the police didn't want to take his rights from him by arresting him and where happy for him to continue in the place they deemed safer, that the push was designed to get him to move , ?

    Is it even possible to arrest every single person who was taking time to move ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    a genuine question here, Obviously he was using his right to protest and right of assembly but the police are within there rights to move you to a safe more adequate area that causes less issues, is he committing an offence by not moving ?

    Is it possible the police didn't want to take his rights from him by arresting him and where happy for him to continue in the place they deemed safer, that the push was designed to get him to move , ?

    Is it even possible to arrest every single person who was taking time to move ?

    you really are going out of your way to blame a brain damaged man for the actions of the police


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    are you an expert on police procedure now?

    No but John Evans is and he has said as much ,


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,648 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    a genuine question here, Obviously he was using his right to protest and right of assembly but the police are within there rights to move you to a safe more adequate area that causes less issues, is he committing an offence by not moving ?

    Is it possible the police didn't want to take his rights from him by arresting him and where happy for him to continue in the place they deemed safer, that the push was designed to get him to move , ?

    Is it even possible to arrest every single person who was taking time to move ?

    The police can move him. They have no right to assault him however unless its self defense which this clearly isn't. I mean they can't even use the excuse of resisting arrest as no attempt to arrest him was made.
    you really are going out of your way to blame a brain damaged man for the actions of the police

    The police caused it when they assaulted him. Unless you are going to blame gravity and the concrete?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    walshb wrote: »
    Your utter disdain for police is clouding your judgement...

    The only person who should be charged is the man that fell. Charged for refusing to obey police orders. He went to them, and they acted appropriately.

    Absurdity is reaching new levels.

    I agree, he should of been arrested for not obeying an order to clear the area, then obstruction..

    Neither will happen, two cops will lose their jobs for their stupidity, the tax payer will foot the bill for a few million $ I guess, the two cops will move to a different PD and carry on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Retr0gamer wrote: »



    The police caused it when they assaulted him. Unless you are going to blame gravity and the concrete?

    that has been my whole position all along. you sound like you are disagreeing with me for some reason.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    The police can move him. They have no right to assault him however unless its self defense which this clearly isn't. I mean they can't even use the excuse of resisting arrest as no attempt to arrest him was made.



    The police caused it when they assaulted him. Unless you are going to blame gravity and the concrete?

    I know he had a cut on his head and a suspected concussion but did they reveal what injuries he actually got ?

    Obviously like everyone else I hope the man is ok after the incident, Hopefully he listens to police direct in future


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,648 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I know he had a cut on his head and a suspected concussion but did they reveal what injuries he actually got ?

    The extent of injuries doesn't matter. Assault is assault no matter how hurt you get.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I know he had a cut on his head and a suspected concussion but did they reveal what injuries he actually got ?

    Obviously like everyone else I hope the man is ok after the incident, Hopefully he listens to police direct in future

    still in hospital and still in a lot of pain as of yesterday. bleeding from the ears is never a good sign. But its all his own fault sure.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,648 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    still in hospital and still in a lot of pain as of yesterday. bleeding from the ears is never a good sign. But its all his own fault sure.

    But plenty of Irish and young people get pushed by the police. What about them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    But plenty of Irish and young people get pushed by the police. What about them?

    you are replying to sarcasm.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,648 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    you are replying to sarcasm.

    Yes with sarcasm. Not aimed at you but hoping the whattaboutery peddlers will get the picture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,922 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,152 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    . But its all his own fault sure.

    Finally!!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    walshb wrote: »
    Finally!!!!!!

    you dont seem to get sarcasm either. and just to be clear i was mocking your posts when i wrote that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,353 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    you dont seem to get sarcasm either. and just to be clear i was mocking your posts when i wrote that.

    You don't seem to get when people are taking the pi55 out of you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    walshb wrote: »
    Finally!!!!!!

    Everything that has happened is all on the four cops that killed George Floyd, the rioting, looting, protesting..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Everything that has happened is all on the four cops that killed George Floyd, the rioting, looting, protesting..

    No it is not. People need to take responsibility for their actions


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 934 ✭✭✭ollkiller


    walshb wrote: »
    Your utter disdain for police is clouding your judgement...

    The only person who should be charged is the man that fell. Charged for refusing to obey police orders. He went to them, and they acted appropriately.

    They didn't act appropriately. If he didn't obey an order arrest him. Wouldn't of been that hard. But nah we will go the Robocop route. You might want a police force that acts that way. I certainly don't. If someone is a threat to a cop I'll all for meeting that threat with action. But in this instance it was blatantly obvious the 75 old didn't pose a threat to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    No it is not. People need to take responsibility for their actions

    Exactly!!! Cops need to take responsibility for pushing that man and the effects it has caused.

    Previous post was a good dose of sarcasm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    In response to police brutality residents have barricaded themselves into an autonomous zone on Capital Hill ...where they are not allowing us cops to enter.
    All food trucks normal people etc can enter just not police

    These are GREAT people.

    Reminds me of #FREEDERRY When John Hume asked 1500 residents to barricade themselves in and not allow the RUC to enter.

    image.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    So turns out the 75 year old Martin Gugino is a long time radical protester that has been arrested over 300 times and 82 times for inciting ,

    Yes he did not deserve to get his head split open , but it was an unfortunate accident that occurred when the police pushed him away ,


    "Martin Gugino is a 75-year-old professional agitator and Antifa provocateur… On Friday Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown admitted Gugino was a professional ‘agitator’ who tried to work up the crowd and had been asked to leave the area ‘numerous’ times.”

    “During his effort Gugino was attempting to capture the radio communications signature of Buffalo police officers.”

    Can’t find any source to support this accusation. Do you have a link?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No it is not. People need to take responsibility for their actions

    Everyone except the police?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,583 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Overheal wrote: »
    Can’t find any source to support this accusation. Do you have a link?


    It appears to be largely bollocksology

    https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/06/09/trump-gugino-tweet/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Odhinn wrote: »

    I mean we knew it was bollocks I was just hoping to uncover the origin of the users fake news fetish.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Well, glad to see that the police get as much support in the UK as they do in the US.

    Not only do they not in any way attempt to help, but they mock the officer. A**holes.

    I would like to think more citizens would be wiling to pitch in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqAtdo19rUE

    ,

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/utah-man-tackles-fleeing-suspect-like-nfl-hardest-hits-to-aid-police-officer


    ,

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/man-praised-a-hero-for-crash-tackling-offender-as-he-walks-his-dog/news-story/6256775c7ee1ffebbf689d98add20115

    or

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrt1ERPWrqQ

    for better examples. There is still some hope.

    But, no, if they get harassed and mocked for trying to do their job, no wonder they're going to feel disassociated from society. It's not just the police separating themselves from the citizenry, it works the other way as well.

    The video isn't real. They are pranksters who make videos like this to make the police look silly or something.


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