Blackface

Dave Chappelle had a skit on Chappelle show where he was a white news reader. Was funny like.

Is there any footage of Brendan O Carroll in blackface floating around? Asking for a friend.

Paddygreen wrote: »

We have to reform the world to be a nicer and more progressive thinking place guys. It is about time Fr Ted was banned, there is b****face in that and its clips are consistently used by racists.

If this is a genuine post and opinion I have to respectfully disagree.

The irony being that these episodes you refer to were in themselves being progressive at the time. Representative of the rapidly changing Irish society. Just because there's laughing, doesn't mean the people portrayed are the butt of the joke.

The Donegal priest, and how people from other backgrounds are now as Irish as the Irish themselves. How it's new, and it's funny, but isn't it great.

The fact Ted is concerned about being percieved as racist, because in fact, he is not. The old lady going mad, using the usual tired phrases "taking our jobs" and how quickly she resumes normal conversation. This actually indicating that she is on a ridiculous bandwagon, and in fact, her unfounded fears, don't affect her life at all.

The integration with the Chinese, the breaking of barriers, although initially awkward. Pretty representative of the time. When you consider it was less than 10 years that we went from almost no diversity, to an influx of people from abroad in the 90s.

This was typical of the country at the time. An innocent curiosity, an awkwardness, and a few nutters with irrational, and hilarious fear. Look at us now, all working with colleagues of different nationalities, and at a point where nationality isn't even a "thing" or isn't the first thought people generally think.

After a while, we stopped thinking of "the polish lad" or "the Chinese fella" as the main description. Now we think of my friend Lukas, who has a 6 year old in the primary school down the road and likes Liverpool. We acknowledge their nationality obviously, but subconsciously, over time, it no longer defines what we percieved them as.

Engaging in controlling tactics of banning things is dangerous, and something "liberals" usually oppose. It's not a good thing to justify censorship because this time it suits a certain agenda.

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't see how comedians playing black characters in their show is racist.

So are we saying now that in the future we can't have a white comedian impersonate or characterise a famous black person in a humorous manner and it automatically means it's rascist?

That's not right and it's not the definition of racism as far as I am concerned.

I dont see the problem with it if the intent behind it is correct and it isnt preaching hate towards black people

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

That's the thing... many people who did black face on TV or movies over the years did so to get a laugh. Like Jimmy Fallon, he wasnt being racist when he did it. He was just trying to get a laugh.

That said no excuse for it now. As how could it ever be seen with good intent? Or at least what people could ever perceive as good internet?

it has negative reactions today. It's like using your fingers to squint your eyes and then say "me so sworry' -
It's just easier to not do these things than face any backlash.

What a cheek you have taking that username.

Pure vile hatred.

"When I was young, PC meant a Police Constable. Nowadays I cant seem to tell the difference."

Lyrics from a song released in 1994. Thankfully the guy he wrote it wasn't around for long to see the way the world would turn out.

topper75 wrote: »

What a cheek you have taking that username.

Pure vile hatred.

:pac:

I like the a-team. I like Mr T. But you won't see me go to a Halloween party dressed as him

Look, I can tell you're of the stance of do what you want right?
Then ok, let's dig into that. Say I get a t-shirt printed up that has a nice big ol' hard dick on it. The front say. I mean BIG :pac:

Then I go down the shops or into the city centre. I'll have mothers and fathers coming up to me and saying "do you mind, do ye? Why you wearing that? My child is looking at you" - but hey in doing what I want, right?

Maybe I go one step further and on the back I have "John's 30th birthday party" - so I say how it was just a laugh. Do you think that's gonna change anything?

... Could it be that if I did all that. I was only wearing it to get a reaction from people. Which is dickish. But when anyone questions me I hide behind the ah sure doing what I want / stop being offended so easily / whatever excuse.

Maybe the better call is just not to wear it outside John's birthday party right? Maybe I should use some common sense right?

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Look, I can tell you're of the stance of do what you want right?
...

I'll declare my opinion so for what it is worth. You were almost there:

You can do what you want so long as you don't meaningfully cause offence.

I know the Wayans brothers weren't meaningfully causing offence at people with white skin or European heritage. They were doing it for entertainment purposes only. As with the Little Britain sketches.

Clamping down on this is nonsensical.

A penis on a t-shirt on a public street with kids is plainly inappropriate so I'm sorry to say kind of fails as an analogy (I appreciate your difficulty in finding an analogy).

Funny they had no problem with it only 46 days ago.

https://twitter.com/scottygb/status/1270463056393445387

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

It's not.

I'm slightly embarrassed now 😂 but I suppose my overall point stands, misdirected at the poster.

This is a part of the sensitive victim culture, One day people will stop being offended by such a silly things, just having black face was never the problem in itself, it was the depiction of black people that the people in Black face preformed that was the problem and until the time that some mostly whites stops the infantilization of Black people living in first world countries and start seeing them in the same light as any other race I feel we will be stuck in this easily offended racially divided world.

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

I remember my brother dressing up as B.A. Baracus for halloween in 1980 or '81. He got a mask in Hector Grey's, and wore a length of gold xmas tinsel as the bling. I pity the fool now.

The A-Team only started in 1983 but I'll forgive you because you're a Laibach fan.

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

So why dawn black face?

You don it because the character you have chosen to pretend to be has a black face. Simple.

Now you dress up as a black character by donning blackface makeup, and start acting all stupid and foolish as a sendup of a stereotype, that changes things.

See the difference?

The first one is absolutely fine because you are not meaningfully causing offence.

The worst type of censorship is self censorship.

BPKS wrote: »

I see HBO Max have removed Gone with the Wind in order to 'add discussion of its historical context'.

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn about those PC do-gooders.

In a way I get this as the film does portray black people as slaves who are happy with their lot and promotes the idea that slavery was ok.

I think that's different to shows where people black up to portray black characters.

It's all about the intent in my opinion.

Either way I don't think Gone With The Wind should be banned as we can't just deny that bad things happened and erase history.

I think they should be available for people to see how attitudes were wrong then and different now.