Madeleine McCann

TheW1zard wrote: »

The Maddie podcasts are a good listen.


Not a lot of appetite to discuss the points of interest on here though.

You better edit the name or Kate n Gerry in this thread will hunt you down. Any link to the podcasts? Cheers

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Can this thread get back on track, hardly anyone is discussing the case, just point scoring. Ugh

Banana Republic. wrote: »

You better edit the name or Kate n Gerry in this thread well hunt you down. Any link to the podcasts? Cheers

Any need for that?

Banana Republic. wrote: »

You better edit the name or Kate n Gerry in this thread well hunt you down. Any link to the podcasts? Cheers

https://omny.fm/shows/maddie

Haha love it ;-)

Banana Republic. wrote: »

https://youtu.be/jpfXM9CO2hA

What this interview if you are interested, I bought the book and I thought it was excellent, Anthony Summers is very interesting writer and what he says in this video from a year ago is kinda chilling and gives hope too. Let me know what ye think once the watch it.[/quot


Watched it

Qns

Did the Portuguese police know at the time there were so many paedos living in the area?

Were they investigated at the time?

Clement Freud is a suspicious character - he knew something and befriended the Mc Canns to phish for info

antgal23 wrote: »

Banana Republic. wrote: »

https://youtu.be/jpfXM9CO2hA

What this interview if you are interested, I bought the book and I thought it was excellent, Anthony Summers is very interesting writer and what he says in this video from a year ago is kinda chilling and gives hope too. Let me know what ye think once the watch it.[/quot


Watched it

Qns

Did the Portuguese police know at the time there were so many paedos living in the area?

Were they investigated at the time?

Clement Freud is a suspicious character - he knew something and befriended the Mc Canns to phish for info

From all knowledge the place was a haven for Peados, they had so many suspects I say they didn’t know where to start so they started with they one who wasn’t and that was Robert Murat. I dunno if Freud was on the radar at the time but it’s sinister on his side no matter how he came to meet the Mc Canns. Definitely befriended the Mc Canns for his own gain.

Muahahaha wrote: »

The Clement Freud connection is really creepy and as you say Praia de Luiz had a reputation for paedos living in the area. Paedophile rings where all members co-operate and share information on targets are not uncommon, we have had a few here in Ireland

Case of Cythia Owens in Dalkey, sexually abused and raped by her own parents who then prostituted her out to a paedophile ring operating locally. Two members of the ring are alleged to be Gardai. She fell pregnant at the age of 11 and her mother murdered the baby with knitting needles. The same Gardai who were members of the ring never properly investigated the murder
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/01/12/a-dalkey-archive/

Case of a 22 strong paedophile ring operating in Donegal. Members included a priest and a teacher. Victim who was 13 years old at the time reports that her personal diary shows she had sex 57 times with 22 different men over a 6 month period. A convicted English paedo William John Paden from Blackpool in the UK travelled to Donegal too and was sexually abusing her, he was arrested here in 2010. This shows that paedo rings can even co-operate internationally
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/01/12/a-dalkey-archive/

Both links are long reads but reading through them gives you an insight into how these rings operate. They get a vulnerable child groomed and then pass them around the ring.

So when I read about the paedo Clement Frued, a wealthy individual and former MP and then about several other paedos coincidentally all living close to each other geographically it makes you wonder was Madelines abduction highly planned and executed by a local paedophile ring.

She was allegedly sexually abused by her parents and others. Her baby was allegedly murdered. Some gardaí allegedly sexually abused.

A retired garda who was accused of sexually abusing her openly denied it. Refusing to hide one's identity when denying such an accusation is indicative of innocence. After all, Harvey Proctor and the late Field Marshall Lord (Edwin) Bramall publicly denied such accusations and it was proved that the accuser, Carl Beech, was a liar.

There is a certain "Old Testament" quality to many of these anti-McCann posts. As if Madeleine's disappearance is somehow a wrathful God's divine retribution for the McCann's sin of leaving their children alone.

It is not a good look.

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

There is a certain "Old Testament" quality to many of these anti-McCann posts. As if Madeleine's disappearance is somehow a wrathful God's divine retribution for the McCann's sin of leaving their children alone.

It is not a good look.

Nearly as bad as the people excusing the neglect of their 3 children.

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

And for their sin of letting-their-guard-down, they will be eternally punished. Have I got that right?:rolleyes:

Letting their guard down ha

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

It's not 'anti-McCann' to point out that the ultimate cause of a child being missing is that her parents left three children under 4 in an unlocked apartment that opened directly onto a public street so they could eat and drink with their friends. down the road. The woman above their apartment said a child cried loudly for over an hour on a previous night and only stopped when someone arrived home. They even said the three year old child asked them where they were when the younger twins were crying on the night before. How you can't be sickened and angry at them is something I just can't understand.

Well none of that is new information or a secret that has managed to bypass us all. It’s been 13 years. So yes, thirteen years ago I remember being shocked and disgusted that they left their kids alone. I remember it was a talking point between myself and my family for a long long time. How could they have done it? Why? How stupid can you be? Etc etc..

But ultimately holding onto such bitter resentment and disgust for 13 years and directing it towards a family who have paid the ultimate price - who have been shamed and ridiculed and accused over every corner of the internet, who have been victims themselves of a crime and who have to live with that decision for the remainder of their lives -holding onto that hate does nobody any good. It’s not new information that their recklessness caused Madeleine to be vulnerable. Most sensible people will agree that it was wrong, but where we differ is you and others like to repeat this fact over and over because for some reason they believe after thirteen years without their daughter, being accused of being involved and a myriad of other allegations, the Mc Canns haven’t suffered enough.

Some people are not willing to let the conversation move on from that point. It’s like even if it comes out that they didn’t do it, they still did it because they left her alone so ergo they are the real killers.
Covering all bases.

retro:electro wrote: »

Well none of that is new information or a secret that has managed to bypass us all. It’s been 13 years. So yes, thirteen years ago I remember being shocked and disgusted that they left their kids alone. I remember it was a talking point between myself and my family for a long long time. How could they have done it? Why? How stupid can you be? Etc etc..

But ultimately holding onto such bitter resentment and disgust for 13 years and directing it towards a family who have paid the ultimate price - who have been shamed and ridiculed and accused over every corner of the internet, who have been victims themselves of a crime and who have to live with that decision for the remainder of their lives -holding onto that hate does nobody any good. It’s not new information that their recklessness caused Madeleine to be vulnerable. Most sensible people will agree that it was wrong, but where we differ is you and others like to repeat this fact over and over because for some reason they believe after thirteen years without their daughter, being accused of being involved and a myriad of other allegations, the Mc Canns haven’t suffered enough.

Some people are not willing to let the conversation move on from that point. It’s like even if it comes out that they didn’t do it, they still did it because they left her alone so ergo they are the real killers.
Covering all bases.

How can you let go of it like it doesn’t matter anymore? These are the primary issues until this is solved abs if it’s not them then they are guilty of negligence but if innocent of her going missing then they are paying the ultimate price but to a say LET GO of the basic premise of the argument that it doesn’t matter that they choose drinking instead of taking one night off when the previous night Madeline was crying is just plain wrong. You have to understand that point, surely?

retro:electro wrote: »

Well none of that is new information or a secret that has managed to bypass us all. It’s been 13 years. So yes, thirteen years ago I remember being shocked and disgusted that they left their kids alone. I remember it was a talking point between myself and my family for a long long time. How could they have done it? Why? How stupid can you be? Etc etc..

But ultimately holding onto such bitter resentment and disgust for 13 years and directing it towards a family who have paid the ultimate price - who have been shamed and ridiculed and accused over every corner of the internet, who have been victims themselves of a crime and who have to live with that decision for the remainder of their lives -holding onto that hate does nobody any good. It’s not new information that their recklessness caused Madeleine to be vulnerable. Most sensible people will agree that it was wrong, but where we differ is you and others like to repeat this fact over and over because for some reason they believe after thirteen years without their daughter, being accused of being involved and a myriad of other allegations, the Mc Canns haven’t suffered enough.

Some people are not willing to let the conversation move on from that point. It’s like even if it comes out that they didn’t do it, they still did it because they left her alone so ergo they are the real killers.
Covering all bases.

You're missing the point, not everyone is as accommodating when it comes to negligent and reckless parenting leading to the disappearance and likely death of a child. Grand, you're so over it. It's not right for people to try and shame and question the character of others who aren't on board with this.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

It's 13 years of the same from some people. As I said before the same people who for all we know could be s**t parents but think spouting about the McCanns on the internet makes them feel better


In reality with the huge numbers of s**t parents in the World I am sure plenty of the high horse brigade on here have no idea what their kids are up to. Every town and village in Ireland is been over run by little s**ty teenagers who have no respect for anyone and it all comes down to poor parents. Parents that don't give a crap because they are on a computer or watching the TV while little Jonnie is around wrecking the place.


That's why reasonable people understand it is not black/white. FOr 13 years now people just keep saying the same thing "ph I would never leave my blah blah blah". Well if that was true the whole World would be a far better place, unfortuneatly it isnt.

Fury at people who don't like negligent parenting?