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Madeleine McCann

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  • #1082
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    callmehal wrote: »
    It wouldn't get repeated so often if their behaviour wasn't defended so often!

    Who's defended them leaving the children?


  • #1083
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    dark crystal wrote: »
    I'm sickened by paedophiles who abduct children and rape old women and I'm sickened by the system that allows these predators out to walk the streets.

    The McCanns behaviour, although not acceptable, is not "sickening" to me. I would not condense their entire three, almost four years of parenting Madeline down to one 5 night holiday in which their parenting was needlessly lax.

    In Hindsight, they should never have taken that risk, but it happened. It cannot be undone unfortunately. Crucifying them over and over will not undo this terrible thing.

    People now need to focus their anger more toward whatever subhuman stole a child from her family and refuses to give them any answers, any closure or a final resting place they can visit and say prayers over. That's the person I find really sickening in all of this.

    This is exactly what I mean.

    There's no hindsight here. Leaving your kids alone while you go out partying is abhorrent to any parent I know.

    You can be critical of the McCanns and have anger for whoever is responsible for the disappearance you know?


  • #1084
    yaboya1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    So if the checks were taking place every 30mins, how was Madeleine crying the previous night for over an hour?


  • #1085
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    callmehal wrote: »
    This is exactly what I mean.

    There's no hindsight here. Leaving your kids alone while you go out partying is abhorrent to any parent I know.

    You can be critical of the McCanns and have anger for whoever is responsible for the disappearance you know?

    Grand, not disputing that, but where's your rage towards him/her?


  • #1086
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    callmehal wrote: »
    Their 3 year old daughter asked them why they weren't there when they were crying the night before, they decided to go out drinking and eating and left them on their own again that very night. That's a fact and it's indefensible. It's not caring behaviour to say the least.

    No matter what happned afterwards, it was disgusting behaviour. And no matter who took Madeleine, they have to bear some responsibility.

    You’re arguing against points I haven’t even made, please point out where I said they bear no responsibility?

    The only person responsible for Madeleine disappearing is the person who took her. Her parents are fully aware that their selfish decision lead to Madeleine being in the vulnerable position in which she was taken. They know this, we know this, we don’t need to rehash it every 5 minutes.

    One selfish mistake doesn’t mean they didn’t love or care about their kids. It’s been 13 years and her case is only so well known because of the effort of her parents. If they didn’t love her they wouldn’t be so keen to keep bringing public attention to the case.

    It is possible to believe they loved their kids, that they shouldn’t have left them unsupervised and that they aren’t murderers all at the same time.


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  • #1087
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Crucifying them over and over will not undo this terrible thing.


    It won't undo it. But it's very important that their behavior continually be highlighted.



    As an incident that has a global audience if it stops even 1 other parent from this reckless neglectful behavior then it must remain present as a very important aspect of the case. Regardless of who did it.


  • #1088
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    callmehal wrote: »
    It wouldn't get repeated so often if their behaviour wasn't defended so often!


    Who is defending?


    Everyone is saying they shouldnt have done it. But making the same point over and over and over and over and over and over and over again it just a bit boring at this stage.


  • #1089
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Who is defending?


    Everyone is saying they shouldnt have done it. But making the same point over and over and over and over and over and over and over again it just a bit boring at this stage.


    Trust me, It's far more interesting than people correcting her name


  • #1090
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    limnam wrote: »
    Trust me, It's far more interesting than people correcting her name


    It's not. But you keep repeating it.


  • #1091
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    callmehal wrote: »
    It wouldn't get repeated so often if their behaviour wasn't defended so often!

    Point out where I defended leaving the children unsupervised or retract your comment.

    All I said was that I believe they love and care about their children and I stand by that. I never ever defended them for leaving the kids on their own.


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  • #1092
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    https://youtu.be/jpfXM9CO2hA

    What this interview if you are interested, I bought the book and I thought it was excellent, Anthony Summers is very interesting writer and what he says in this video from a year ago is kinda chilling and gives hope too. Let me know what ye think once the watch it.


  • #1093
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Grand, not disputing that, but where's your rage towards him/her?

    Towards who?

    Where's your disgust at the McCanns behaviour?


  • #1094
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    callmehal wrote: »
    Towards who?

    Where's your disgust at the McCanns behaviour?

    If you’ve been around these threads long enough, as many posters here have, voicing your disgust every 2 minutes gets kind of repetitive and boring.

    Surely acknowledging that they were wrong to leave the kids alone should be enough, why does anyone have to prove how disgusted they are? What level of disgust & outrage is enough?


  • #1095
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    callmehal wrote: »
    Towards who?

    Where's your disgust at the McCanns behaviour?


    I have more disgust with the internet trolls to be honest.


  • #1096
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    You’re arguing against points I haven’t even made, please point out where I said they bear no responsibility?

    The only person responsible for Madeleine disappearing is the person who took her. Her parents are fully aware that their selfish decision lead to Madeleine being in the vulnerable position in which she was taken. They know this, we know this, we don’t need to rehash it every 5 minutes.

    One selfish mistake doesn’t mean they didn’t love or care about their kids. It’s been 13 years and her case is only so well known because of the effort of her parents. If they didn’t love her they wouldn’t be so keen to keep bringing public attention to the case.

    It is possible to believe they loved their kids, that they shouldn’t have left them unsupervised and that they aren’t murderers all at the same time.

    Where did I say you said that?

    So we're in agreement then. The McCanns and their pals acted appallingly. Their negligence left their children at risk. No amount of excuses can cover for this.


  • #1097
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Who is defending?


    Everyone is saying they shouldnt have done it. But making the same point over and over and over and over and over and over and over again it just a bit boring at this stage.

    See you then.


  • #1098
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Point out where I defended leaving the children unsupervised or retract your comment.

    All I said was that I believe they love and care about their children and I stand by that. I never ever defended them for leaving the kids on their own.

    That's the second time. Why do you think everything is about you? You'll have to retract your comment.


  • #1099
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    If any of my children were crying and asked me the next day why I didn’t come to comfort them when they were upset, it’d destroy me. I’d certainly take a rain check on my behaviour, but then I am an ever present parent, my kids are my choice not an inconvenience.

    I think the reason why people are venting at the McCann parents is that we know what they did wrong, and people are very angry that they gave the abductor an opportunity to take Madeline, when your basic duty as a parent is to protect your children against all others.
    The reason we are not venting at the abductor(s) is that so far, these are nameless people, it’s very hard to get angry at unknown randomers and that is assuming such randomer took her.


  • #1100
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    callmehal wrote: »
    Where did I say you said that?

    So we're in agreement then. The McCanns and their pals acted appallingly. Their negligence left their children at risk. No amount of excuses can cover for this.

    I don’t know why you’re acting so self righteously because that’s what I’ve been saying all along, I just don’t think any of that means they don’t love their children.
    I also think the knowledge of this is punishment enough for them and don’t feel the need to twist the knife by constantly saying nasty & abusive things about them, they’re suffering enough as it is.
    It’s been 13 years, and still, nobody can go 5 minutes without going back to the fact they shouldn’t have left the kids alone.
    We know that and they know that.


  • #1101
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    callmehal wrote: »
    Where did I say you said that?

    So we're in agreement then. The McCanns and their pals acted appallingly. Their negligence left their children at risk. No amount of excuses can cover for this.

    You've made your point and laboured your point, so what else do you hope to achieve my continuing to make the same point over and over again?

    Is there some imaginary argument going on in your head whereby people are disagreeing with the fact the McCanns were wrong leaving the children alone or is it just the fact people are not being vehement enough in their disgust for your liking?


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  • #1102
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    If you’ve been around these threads long enough, as many posters here have, voicing your disgust every 2 minutes gets kind of repetitive and boring.

    Surely acknowledging that they were wrong to leave the kids alone should be enough, why does anyone have to prove how disgusted they are? What level of disgust & outrage is enough?

    Eh? It wasn't me who brought it up. The McCanns have to defend their behaviour because of the guilt and to live with themselves, not everyone has to go along with it.


  • #1103
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I have more disgust with the internet trolls to be honest.

    Self-hatred.


  • #1104
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I don’t know why you’re acting so self righteously because that’s what I’ve been saying all along, I just don’t think any of that means they don’t love their children.
    I also think the knowledge of this is punishment enough for them and don’t feel the need to twist the knife by constantly saying nasty & abusive things about them, they’re suffering enough as it is.
    It’s been 13 years, and still, nobody can go 5 minutes without going back to the fact they shouldn’t have left the kids alone.
    We know that and they know that.

    As I said, we're in agreement. They behaved appallingly.


  • #1105
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Can this thread get back on track, hardly anyone is discussing the case, just point scoring. Ugh


  • #1106
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    dark crystal wrote: »
    You've made your point and laboured your point, so what else do you hope to achieve my continuing to make the same point over and over again?

    Is there some imaginary argument going on in your head whereby people are disagreeing with the fact the McCanns were wrong leaving the children alone or is it just the fact people are not being vehement enough in their disgust for your liking?

    I just said we were in agreement with the other poster. Why is it so wrong to point out the disgusting behaviour of the McCanns and pals?


  • #1107
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I don’t know why you’re acting so self righteously because that’s what I’ve been saying all along if you had actually read any of my posts, I just don’t think any of that means they don’t love their children.
    I also think the knowledge that their mistake lead to Madeleine being in such a vulnerable position is punishment enough for them and don’t feel the need to twist the knife by constantly saying nasty & abusive things about them, they’re suffering enough as it is.

    It’s been 13 years, and still, nobody can go 5 minutes
    without going back to the fact they shouldn’t have left the kids alone.
    We know that and they know that. It isn’t a brand new angle or opinion, and repeating it constantly adds nothing new to the conversation.

    Did you not just make that post about 3 minutes before? And you're going on about people repeating themselves!


  • #1108
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    Can this thread get back on track, hardly anyone is discussing the case, just point scoring. Ugh

    You're right. Let's move on. Could it be possible that someone was in the appartment the night before?


  • #1109
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    callmehal wrote: »
    As I said, we're in agreement. They behaved appallingly.

    If we’re in agreement, as you said, then I’m glad you acknowledge that they loved and cared for their children. Glad we’re on the same page about that.


  • #1110
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    callmehal wrote: »
    Did you not just make that post about 3 minutes before? And you're going on about people repeating themselves!

    A double post, perhaps? Is there a need to be so passive aggressive?


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  • #1111
    TheW1zard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    The Maddie podcasts are a good listen.


    Not a lot of appetite to discuss the points of interest on here though.


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