Madeleine McCann

SusieBlue · 09-06-2020 02:04AM

maebee wrote: »

It's similar to Kate and Gerry coming out of the church in PDL on what would have been Madeleine's 4th birthday, less than a week after her disappearance, laughing their faces off, smiling like they'd won the lotto. Very very strange.

You’d think after going to the effort of murdering their daughter in cold blood & staging her kidnapping that they’d do a better job of pretending to be grief stricken devastated parents, wouldn’t you?
You’d think Kate & Gerry could have tried a bit harder to hide their joy & laughter until the cameras weren’t rolling.
They really dropped the ball there.

Or else the press only printed the few photos of them smiling and none of the ones where they look absolutely distraught & emotionally traumatised, to manipulate the public into thinking Madeleines parents are enjoying the whole ordeal and are spending their days laughing and joking instead of looking for their daughter.
I mean it could be that too.
It would be very unusual for the media to post images and news stories to suit their own narrative and sell more papers/get more clicks, that’s definitely never happened before.

spongbob · 09-06-2020 02:23AM

tbh ive never watched or read any articles on this young girls disappearance, for someone who might know, Has the area where the little girl was sleeping got cctv? have we any proof that the little girl was taken by a 3rd person from that bedroom? When was the girl last seen entering that bedroom? Is there a chance that Nobody seen her on cctv a day or 2 with her Mom and Dad on cctv? was any body seen on cctv leave the bedroom with a suitcase (mom / dad or 3rd person / cleaning maid ? bar staff? when is the last eye witness statement or a cctv sighting of the little girl alive.

If she died in the hotel bedroom a few days before the claimed disappearing dates, would mammy or daddy or somebody have the time to dispose of a suitcase?

id like to think I am a very open minded person, so i am calling out these questions as i see them, If the cctv was turned off, then why was it off and who and who installed it and what is that persons financial back ground wealth like? to rule out any pay off my someone very wealthy

Goldengirl · 09-06-2020 02:26AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

You’d think after going to the effort of murdering their daughter in cold blood & staging her kidnapping that they’d do a better job of pretending to be grief stricken devastated parents, wouldn’t you?
You’d think Kate & Gerry could have tried a bit harder to hide their joy & laughter until the cameras weren’t rolling.
They really dropped the ball there.

Or else the press only printed the few photos of them smiling and none of the ones where they look absolutely distraught & emotionally traumatised, to manipulate the public into thinking Madeleines parents are enjoying the whole ordeal and are spending their days laughing and joking instead of looking for their daughter.
I mean it could be that too.
It would be very unusual for the media to post images and news stories to suit their own narrative and sell more papers/get more clicks, that’s definitely never happened before.

Yes. I think all they are guilty of , really, is being a bit odd , and awkward , at a time in their lives when they should have been protected from the glare of publicity .
They made a terribly stupid mistake which cost them their daughter's life and their lives too , in effect.
The media have savaged them , but they have used it too , albeit to seach for their child
Doesn't make up for the hideous stuff written about them.

2u2me · 09-06-2020 03:05AM

False Prophet wrote: »

Utter rubbish, Here is what you are referring to:

We all give off unconscious 'tells'(or honest signals) all the time. Some people think it dates back to before we had speech as ways of communicating our emotions.
Being a poker player I know it's quite difficult to hide these.

In fact some researchers conclude that nonverbal communication accounts for the majority of information transmitted during interpersonal interactions.

Source

Their body language in many interviews suggested they knew more than they were letting on.
That's why I'll always wonder until case is finished. To dismiss it as 'there was nothing to see here' seems inaccurate.

Perhaps friends of the McCanns and people who knew them best could explain away this behaviour. "They were always weird like that". It's possible. Isn't it also possible they know something that the rest of us don't know?

Banana Republic. · 09-06-2020 03:18AM

To look at this from the bare facts of normality, it wasn’t just a 3 year old they left in the room every night to go to the Tapas bar there was a set of younger twins too. You wouldn’t go next door in your own street to have a cuppa tea let alone do it in a place you’ve never been to before. The distance they left the children at was criminal negligence in the extreme. They should of never been left to leave Portugal. They shouldn’t of been left have the other kids after that. This alone wasn’t good enough and the rest of the Tapas group were dead lucky too alright I don’t know the age of their kids but parents of a 3 year old and younger twins have no business going on holiday with those kids if they can’t have an adult with them 24/7. Add to it that they are doctors means in normal life they wouldn’t of been seeing their kids that much at home with their work life hours. Simple as this they dont deserve to have kids. The very least they should of been charged for gross negligence instead of backed by government. The Portuguese police weren’t the greatest but it doesn’t give The British police/Government the right to leave The Mc Canns call the shots. That I find hard to swallow.

SusieBlue · 09-06-2020 03:29AM

spongbob wrote: »

tbh ive never watched or read any articles on this young girls disappearance, for someone who might know, Has the area where the little girl was sleeping got cctv? have we any proof that the little girl was taken by a 3rd person from that bedroom? When was the girl last seen entering that bedroom? Is there a chance that Nobody seen her on cctv a day or 2 with her Mom and Dad on cctv? was any body seen on cctv leave the bedroom with a suitcase (mom / dad or 3rd person / cleaning maid ? bar staff? when is the last eye witness statement or a cctv sighting of the little girl alive.

If she died in the hotel bedroom a few days before the claimed disappearing dates, would mammy or daddy or somebody have the time to dispose of a suitcase?

id like to think I am a very open minded person, so i am calling out these questions as i see them, If the cctv was turned off, then why was it off and who and who installed it and what is that persons financial back ground wealth like? to rule out any pay off my someone very wealthy

Madeleine was signed out of the hotel kids club by Kate just after 6pm on the day she went missing, this is verified by hotel staff, other parents/children and the kids club sign out sheet.
Gerry was having an hour long tennis lesson at this time so Kate took the children back to the apartment. When Gerry returned an hour later they put the kids to bed and sat down for dinner in the restaurant at 8:30pm.

Madeleine was alive and well up until 6pm on the day she went missing and her parents sat down to dinner 2.5hrs later.
If they are responsible for her death, whether accidental or intentional, that means that they had 2.5hrs to commit the act, come up with a plan, get the other parent on board with the kidnapping story, clean up all evidence and dispose of Madeleines body so well that 13 years later it still hasn’t been found.
They had only been in the resort a few days and wouldn’t have been too familiar with their surroundings, this was in an era with no mobile internet or google maps and they had no access to a car at that time.
It was also early in the evening so still bright outside and the immediate area would have been busy with other tourists so not exactly ideal conditions for disposing of a child’s corpse.

This is why I don’t believe they did it, not because I blindly support them but because I don’t see how they could possibly do all that in 2.5hrs and then sit nonchalantly down to dinner pretending all was well.
They would have to be criminal masterminds to execute that plan so flawlessly.

Some like to theorise that they drugged the kids to make them sleep and it went wrong - but they were both doctors, and Kate was a qualified anaesthetist.
There is no evidence they drugged the kids but if they did, the odds of them giving an accidental overdose of over the counter or even prescription medicine is less than zero given their qualifications.
Another theory is that they staged the kidnapping after drugging Madeleine because they were afraid they’d lose their medical licenses, but Kate has never gone back to work since so that makes no sense either.

There is also the question of loyalty.
If your husband/wife killed your child, even if it was an accident, a child that took 10 years of IVF to conceive, would you really cover for them despite the public persecution and criticism and intense stress and pressure?
Your life is basically ruined, you’ll never have a minutes peace again, would you really keep their secret for over 13 years?
Bearing in mind the whole world already knows you were stupid enough to leave your 3 small kids unsupervised while you went to enjoy some tapas so it’s not like you even ‘got away with it’, every second comment on every FB article and forum thread over a decade later is still bringing up the fact that you neglected your children, annihilating you with nasty & abusive comments and saying you don’t deserve to have your other 2 kids.
When you consider some people think their pals were in on it too, it becomes even less believable that they would keep the secret for this long.

A lot of people think their behaviour in the aftermath is suspicious but where’s the handbook on how to publicly carry yourself when your 3 yr old has just disappeared into thin air? How do any of us know how we’d react if we were in the same position?

I think Kate & Gerry are guilty of being stupid & reckless for leaving their children unattended and they’ll forever have to live with the knowledge that their actions lead to Madeleine being in the vulnerable position in which she disappeared.
They also arguably ruined their other two children’s lives, because they have had to grow up without their sister & reading horrible things about their parents in the media.
But none of that makes them murderers, in my opinion.

Macdarack · 09-06-2020 03:40AM

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I know from experience of REAL grief that you wouldn't want to even have a get together or engage with anyone or anything,. unless necessary.. so to be even seemingly having fun and having full engagement with people.... laughing and joking,. there really is no explanation for that behaviour,.no excuse no explanation at-all,. unless it was some kind of trauma or severe shock.. but as I say even if you tried(but why would you!?) I don't think it's possible.

Kobe Bryant's wife, at a funeral service for her husband, smiling and laughing, oh and her daughter just died too, I never knew, possibly mind, she sabotaged the helicopter to cause the 2 deaths.
Evil B€€ch.

Goldengirl · 09-06-2020 04:03AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Madeleine was signed out of the hotel kids club by Kate just after 6pm on the day she went missing, this is verified by hotel staff, other parents/children and the kids club sign out sheet.
Gerry was having an hour long tennis lesson at this time so Kate took the children back to the apartment. When Gerry returned an hour later they put the kids to bed and sat down for dinner in the restaurant at 8:30pm.

Madeleine was alive and well up until 6pm on the day she went missing and her parents sat down to dinner 2.5hrs later.
If they are responsible for her death, whether accidental or intentional, that means that they had 2.5hrs to commit the act, come up with a plan, get the other parent on board with the kidnapping story, clean up all evidence and dispose of Madeleines body so well that 13 years later it still hasn’t been found.
They had only been in the resort a few days and wouldn’t have been too familiar with their surroundings, this was in an era with no mobile internet or google maps and they had no access to a car at that time.
It was also early in the evening so still bright outside and the immediate area would have been busy with other tourists so not exactly ideal conditions for disposing of a child’s corpse.

This is why I don’t believe they did it, not because I blindly support them but because I don’t see how they could possibly do all that in 2.5hrs and then sit nonchalantly down to dinner pretending all was well.
They would have to be criminal masterminds to execute that plan so flawlessly.

Some like to theorise that they drugged the kids to make them sleep and it went wrong - but they were both doctors, and Kate was a qualified anaesthetist.
There is no evidence they drugged the kids but if they did, the odds of them giving an accidental overdose of over the counter or even prescription medicine is less than zero given their qualifications.
Another theory is that they staged the kidnapping after drugging Madeleine because they were afraid they’d lose their medical licenses, but Kate has never gone back to work since so that makes no sense either.

There is also the question of loyalty.
If your husband/wife killed your child, even if it was an accident, a child that took 10 years of IVF to conceive, would you really cover for them despite the public persecution and criticism and intense stress and pressure?
Your life is basically ruined, you’ll never have a minutes peace again, would you really keep their secret for over 13 years?
Bearing in mind the whole world already knows you were stupid enough to leave your 3 small kids unsupervised while you went to enjoy some tapas so it’s not like you even ‘got away with it’, every second comment on every FB article and forum thread over a decade later is still bringing up the fact that you neglected your children, annihilating you with nasty & abusive comments and saying you don’t deserve to have your other 2 kids.
When you consider some people think their pals were in on it too, it becomes even less believable that they would keep the secret for this long.

A lot of people think their behaviour in the aftermath is suspicious but where’s the handbook on how to publicly carry yourself when your 3 yr old has just disappeared into thin air? How do any of us know how we’d react if we were in the same position?

I think Kate & Gerry are guilty of being stupid & reckless for leaving their children unattended and they’ll forever have to live with the knowledge that their actions lead to Madeleine being in the vulnerable position in which she disappeared.
They also arguably ruined their other two children’s lives, because they have had to grow up without their sister & reading horrible things about their parents in the media.
But none of that makes them murderers, in my opinion.

Susie I totally agree with everything you have just said!

Yep. Was shocked when I heard about it first as my youngest was the same age and I just could not imagine leaving him like that , or any of them.
They went out at night with us in their buggies and we just came home early and had a few drinks on the balcony with the baby monitor beside us.
For 2 doctors to think that was safe, from so many accidents that can, and do happen children , never mind kidnap , the mind boggles.
But as it went on I cringed for them , because you could nearly see the press salivating like rabid dogs , and I just think they got carried away and didn't think it through. And they have suffered and still are along with the twins ..and poor Madeleine.
I hope this guy is the one who took her, and they find some peace.

Shefwedfan · 09-06-2020 06:11AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Madeleine was signed out of the hotel kids club by Kate just after 6pm on the day she went missing, this is verified by hotel staff, other parents/children and the kids club sign out sheet.
Gerry was having an hour long tennis lesson at this time so Kate took the children back to the apartment. When Gerry returned an hour later they put the kids to bed and sat down for dinner in the restaurant at 8:30pm.

Madeleine was alive and well up until 6pm on the day she went missing and her parents sat down to dinner 2.5hrs later.
If they are responsible for her death, whether accidental or intentional, that means that they had 2.5hrs to commit the act, come up with a plan, get the other parent on board with the kidnapping story, clean up all evidence and dispose of Madeleines body so well that 13 years later it still hasn’t been found.
They had only been in the resort a few days and wouldn’t have been too familiar with their surroundings, this was in an era with no mobile internet or google maps and they had no access to a car at that time.
It was also early in the evening so still bright outside and the immediate area would have been busy with other tourists so not exactly ideal conditions for disposing of a child’s corpse.

This is why I don’t believe they did it, not because I blindly support them but because I don’t see how they could possibly do all that in 2.5hrs and then sit nonchalantly down to dinner pretending all was well.
They would have to be criminal masterminds to execute that plan so flawlessly.

Some like to theorise that they drugged the kids to make them sleep and it went wrong - but they were both doctors, and Kate was a qualified anaesthetist.
There is no evidence they drugged the kids but if they did, the odds of them giving an accidental overdose of over the counter or even prescription medicine is less than zero given their qualifications.
Another theory is that they staged the kidnapping after drugging Madeleine because they were afraid they’d lose their medical licenses, but Kate has never gone back to work since so that makes no sense either.

There is also the question of loyalty.
If your husband/wife killed your child, even if it was an accident, a child that took 10 years of IVF to conceive, would you really cover for them despite the public persecution and criticism and intense stress and pressure?
Your life is basically ruined, you’ll never have a minutes peace again, would you really keep their secret for over 13 years?
Bearing in mind the whole world already knows you were stupid enough to leave your 3 small kids unsupervised while you went to enjoy some tapas so it’s not like you even ‘got away with it’, every second comment on every FB article and forum thread over a decade later is still bringing up the fact that you neglected your children, annihilating you with nasty & abusive comments and saying you don’t deserve to have your other 2 kids.
When you consider some people think their pals were in on it too, it becomes even less believable that they would keep the secret for this long.

A lot of people think their behaviour in the aftermath is suspicious but where’s the handbook on how to publicly carry yourself when your 3 yr old has just disappeared into thin air? How do any of us know how we’d react if we were in the same position?

I think Kate & Gerry are guilty of being stupid & reckless for leaving their children unattended and they’ll forever have to live with the knowledge that their actions lead to Madeleine being in the vulnerable position in which she disappeared.
They also arguably ruined their other two children’s lives, because they have had to grow up without their sister & reading horrible things about their parents in the media.
But none of that makes them murderers, in my opinion.

Too much sense in this post

You know they murdered her in the room, then used magic to make the body disappear then just cleared their mind and went out to dinner. Not upset at all with the loss os a child

Really the stupidity of people going around ranting and raving they killed the child and then hid it. All because they actually haven’t even bothered checking into any details.

The same judgemental people are sitting abusing the McCanns on computers all day long with no idea what their Kids are up to.

893bet · 09-06-2020 07:18AM

2u2me wrote: »

We all give off unconscious 'tells'(or honest signals) all the time. Some people think it dates back to before we had speech as ways of communicating our emotions.
Being a poker player I know it's quite difficult to hide these.

Source

Their body language in many interviews suggested they knew more than they were letting on.
That's why I'll always wonder until case is finished. To dismiss it as 'there was nothing to see here' seems inaccurate.

Perhaps friends of the McCanns and people who knew them best could explain away this behaviour. "They were always weird like that". It's possible. Isn't it also possible they know something that the rest of us don't know?

What a load of **** that video is.

Shefwedfan · 09-06-2020 07:21AM

893bet wrote: »

What a load of **** that video is.

I would watch any of that s**t, it’s just people trying to make money out of a tragedy

Banana Republic. · 09-06-2020 07:36AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Madeleine was signed out of the hotel kids club by Kate just after 6pm on the day she went missing, this is verified by hotel staff, other parents/children and the kids club sign out sheet.
Gerry was having an hour long tennis lesson at this time so Kate took the children back to the apartment. When Gerry returned an hour later they put the kids to bed and sat down for dinner in the restaurant at 8:30pm.

Madeleine was alive and well up until 6pm on the day she went missing and her parents sat down to dinner 2.5hrs later.
If they are responsible for her death, whether accidental or intentional, that means that they had 2.5hrs to commit the act, come up with a plan, get the other parent on board with the kidnapping story, clean up all evidence and dispose of Madeleines body so well that 13 years later it still hasn’t been found.
They had only been in the resort a few days and wouldn’t have been too familiar with their surroundings, this was in an era with no mobile internet or google maps and they had no access to a car at that time.
It was also early in the evening so still bright outside and the immediate area would have been busy with other tourists so not exactly ideal conditions for disposing of a child’s corpse.

This is why I don’t believe they did it, not because I blindly support them but because I don’t see how they could possibly do all that in 2.5hrs and then sit nonchalantly down to dinner pretending all was well.
They would have to be criminal masterminds to execute that plan so flawlessly.

Some like to theorise that they drugged the kids to make them sleep and it went wrong - but they were both doctors, and Kate was a qualified anaesthetist.
There is no evidence they drugged the kids but if they did, the odds of them giving an accidental overdose of over the counter or even prescription medicine is less than zero given their qualifications.
Another theory is that they staged the kidnapping after drugging Madeleine because they were afraid they’d lose their medical licenses, but Kate has never gone back to work since so that makes no sense either.

There is also the question of loyalty.
If your husband/wife killed your child, even if it was an accident, a child that took 10 years of IVF to conceive, would you really cover for them despite the public persecution and criticism and intense stress and pressure?
Your life is basically ruined, you’ll never have a minutes peace again, would you really keep their secret for over 13 years?
Bearing in mind the whole world already knows you were stupid enough to leave your 3 small kids unsupervised while you went to enjoy some tapas so it’s not like you even ‘got away with it’, every second comment on every FB article and forum thread over a decade later is still bringing up the fact that you neglected your children, annihilating you with nasty & abusive comments and saying you don’t deserve to have your other 2 kids.
When you consider some people think their pals were in on it too, it becomes even less believable that they would keep the secret for this long.

A lot of people think their behaviour in the aftermath is suspicious but where’s the handbook on how to publicly carry yourself when your 3 yr old has just disappeared into thin air? How do any of us know how we’d react if we were in the same position?

I think Kate & Gerry are guilty of being stupid & reckless for leaving their children unattended and they’ll forever have to live with the knowledge that their actions lead to Madeleine being in the vulnerable position in which she disappeared.
They also arguably ruined their other two children’s lives, because they have had to grow up without their sister & reading horrible things about their parents in the media.
But none of that makes them murderers, in my opinion.

I agree with 90% of your post, the post I don’t is the kids being drugged, as far as I’m aware the kids were never tested for all of this so that’s by no means a fact that they weren’t drugged and as a Kate said herself the twins slept through the whole place being turned upside down with police and ppl frantically looking for the child inside the apartment so that has never been explained. There was plenty of time during the night to do all the actions needed if Madeline had of hurt herself getting up or the dose of the drug killed her so they had ample time to dispose of the body. I still think the dogs were right in sniffing out a dead body. They were world renowned and wow the Mc Canns are the ones to show the world the dogs are useless, they should be investigators themselves. Doesn’t make them guilty but it hardly backs up their innocence either. All I’m saying is it’s not cut and dry.

anewme · 09-06-2020 07:39AM

Read this morning "Portuguese police 'have identified crooked hotel worker who tipped off Madeleine prime suspect Christian Brueckner that the McCanns' room would be unlocked"

Banana Republic. · 09-06-2020 07:46AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Too much sense in this post

You know they murdered her in the room, then used magic to make the body disappear then just cleared their mind and went out to dinner. Not upset at all with the loss os a child

Really the stupidity of people going around ranting and raving they killed the child and then hid it. All because they actually haven’t even bothered checking into any details.

The same judgemental people are sitting abusing the McCanns on computers all day long with no idea what their Kids are up to.

It’s plausible they did, you must see the weirdness and the details they tell are sketchy. Either way Madeline has been missing this whole time. Rather it wasn’t the parents but it’s not a choice we have. We just want to see the child home safe or at worst the people convicted of her abduction.

walshb · 09-06-2020 08:02AM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

It’s plausible they did, you must see the weirdness and the details they tell are sketchy. Either way Madeline has been missing this whole time. Rather it wasn’t the parents but it’s not a choice we have. We just want to see the child home safe or at worst the people convicted of her abduction.

It's not at all plausible. It's red herring conspiracy nonsense.

Their error, and terrible one, was leaving her alone...

They did not kill her.....the cops haven't a clue, hence why they tried to make it out that the parents killed her..

No way they'd still be so resolute and determined and fighting....IF they all along killed her.

Shefwedfan · 09-06-2020 08:45AM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

It’s plausible they did, you must see the weirdness and the details they tell are sketchy. Either way Madeline has been missing this whole time. Rather it wasn’t the parents but it’s not a choice we have. We just want to see the child home safe or at worst the people convicted of her abduction.

How is it plausible?

First question, if Madeline was dead what did they do with body? they had a small window and after that the entire UK press was sitting on their door step. The whole of the town was covered from top to bottom.

Even if they had a car they didnt have time to get far enough away

If they buried the body then where? when did they move the body because nearly every site has been dug up

It is completely ridiculous!!!

mosii · 09-06-2020 10:11AM

They didnt kill her ,a blind man could see that.The worst they done is take a chance to let the kids on their own,a calculated chance, lots of parents do it every day,which had serious consequences for them.I still think this guy knew they were dining every night,he knew the apartments well,went to rob the place ,and been a sick oppurtunist paedophile took the child for he own sick use. If it is this German Guy,he has done this stuff before. The question is where is the child? I think he took the child somewhere locally, perhaps within a 10km area ,an isolated area,and done what these sick individuals do,maybe even filmed it,and then left the child to die ,or even worse.Unfortunately this German guy has done this type of stuff already. I also think the Mc Canns realised that the police in Portugal,had one eye on the tourist Industry,so they lost faith in them.
Although i must admit,when Kate discovered that Madeline was missing and she ran to the pool area,without the other twins ,and also saying "they took her ",these actions were strange.The first actions of most parents would to be to check the health of the other kids,and then start a search for the other child,but maybe with a few drinks on board,and the shock of it ,affected her decision making.

Banana Republic. · 09-06-2020 10:25AM

walshb wrote: »

It's not at all plausible. It's red herring conspiracy nonsense.

Their error, and terrible one, was leaving her alone...

They did not kill her.....the cops haven't a clue, hence why they tried to make it out that the parents killed her..

No way they'd still be so resolute and determined and fighting....IF they all along killed her.

Yes it is plausible, there wasn’t a scratch of evidence in the room where she went missing. You are kidding yourself if you can’t look at that theory. No fingerprints nothing. I’m being unbiased here to look at it straight with all the information we know. Determinedly yea but that can be determined to be on the top of every investigation that’s made to make sure they can cover it up or sway ppl around. These are all scenarios that could of happened not saying they did but you gotta look at all scenarios.

Banana Republic. · 09-06-2020 10:26AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How is it plausible?

First question, if Madeline was dead what did they do with body? they had a small window and after that the entire UK press was sitting on their door step. The whole of the town was covered from top to bottom.

Even if they had a car they didnt have time to get far enough away

If they buried the body then where? when did they move the body because nearly every site has been dug up

It is completely ridiculous!!!

Well someone did it in the timeline so it is totally plausible stop being in denial, I don’t want it to be the parents but too much points to the Mc Canns. This is by no way a one sided argument.

mosii · 09-06-2020 10:29AM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Well someone did it in the timeline so it is totally plausible stop being in denial, I don’t want it to be the parents but too much points to the Mc Canns. This is by no way a one sided argument.

If the Mc Canns doen this crime,i will eat my socks......

Banana Republic. · 09-06-2020 10:33AM

mosii wrote: »

If the Mc Canns doen this crime,i will eat my socks......

It would make me sick, all I’m saying is there is a possibility. While this is not solved everything is plausible.

carolmon · 09-06-2020 10:34AM

mosii wrote: »

Although i must admit,when Kate discovered that Madeline was missing and she ran to the pool area,without the other twins ,and also saying "they took her ",these actions were strange.The first actions of most parents would to be to check the health of the other kids,and then start a search for the other child

That's the bit that always stands out to me and I don't see too many people mention it in all the discussion that I've read.

I get that they made a huge mistake leaving the kids alone but I also think people let their guard down on holiday they think they're in a safe place.... but when Kate suspected a predator about and still left the kids sleeping? I really can't get my head around that part

893bet · 09-06-2020 10:37AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I would watch any of that s**t, it’s just people trying to make money out of a tragedy

Shocking. Hours and hours of interviews reviewed to try and find some obscure body language to fit a narrative. And the public lap it up as they believe everything they read and many don’t have the ability to look at the wider perspective of what’s being presented.

Banana Republic. · 09-06-2020 10:39AM

https://youtu.be/QRo_RyxcIpo

https://youtu.be/7mzfpj9bCdU

Guy has award winning podcast on the case. Spoke to Amaral previously. Also said German would be a scapegoat and they previously investigated him in 2007 & forensically treated the van to no avail. Another lead to go cold possibly.

Talks of him being with two friends & then the two guys say they were fostering German children. Very very suspect. Christian B hanging with “friends” that fostered children ffs what an absolute nightmare. This could help find the other kids that are gone missing from Germany a girl & a boy. This is getting worse with these guys. Hopefully someone remembers stuff from these areas which BBC are showing on TV. I think their doing a good job to be at these places and hopefully it jogs ppls memories.

Sweet.Science · 09-06-2020 10:49AM

I still cant believe how people can leave their small kids alone in an apartment while wining and dining

Forget about an abduction as its so rare

Even if they fell, choked, wandered off.

Even if they had a nightmare and woke up crying.

I just cant get head around it. I didnt even feel comfortable when my daughter moved from our room into her own room.

I hate the sight of the McCanns for their neglect of their children.

Steve F · 09-06-2020 10:49AM

False Prophet wrote: »

Can you share the footage please as i can find no record of this?

Other then what looks to be fake Youtube clip from 2017 not days after: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rv0vQueIWo

Yes thats the one
I struggle with this when I watch it.
Genuine question and asked in the spirit of discussion.What makes you think it fake?
The first version of it was uploaded in 2009

Rockbeast2 · 09-06-2020 10:49AM

I fully agree with mosii above that the police in Portugal had one eye on the local tourist industry.

This is, IMO, why the McCanns were pushed so hard as suspects, or "persons of interest". I have no doubt that they were instructed to do this by higher-ups.

What would the Portuguese Tourist Industry prefer the narrative to be? That the McCanns somehow were involved in the disappearance of their own daughter OR that the area was a hotbed of paedophile activity and that a random paedophile snatched a random kid from a holidaymakers' apartment?

Hmmm...let me think about that one...

Money is usually the answer in such matters. The livelihoods of the many outweigh the lives of the McCanns, at least in the eyes of the locals. Such is the way of the world.

TheW1zard · 09-06-2020 10:56AM

If you were going to snatch her why would you use the shutters anyway? Risking going between two toddlers.
Also stepping onto a bed to cross the whole room, in the dark. Sure there might be a kid in the bed under the window.
If you knew the apartment was empty why not use the front door?

Interested to know what you guys think.

Banana Republic. · 09-06-2020 10:57AM

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

I fully agree with mosii above that the police in Portugal had one eye on the local tourist industry.

This is, IMO, why the McCanns were pushed so hard as suspects, or "persons of interest". I have no doubt that they were instructed to do this by higher-ups.

What would the Portuguese Tourist Industry prefer the narrative to be? That the McCanns somehow were involved in the disappearance of their own daughter OR that the area was a hotbed of paedophile activity and that a random paedophile snatched a random kid from a holidaymakers' apartment?

Hmmm...let me think about that one...

Money is usually the answer in such matters. The livelihoods of the many outweigh the lives of the McCanns, at least in the eyes of the locals. Such is the way of the world.

Some of the other tourist hotbeds in the world have done this, the woman that was murdered on her honeymoon (her dad is a famous GAA Coach) that’s a valid point and I think we all know now that PLD is a hotbed for Peados yet ppl still bring their kids there amazingly. It still brings us no closer to solving this and this Christian B could me there red herring that Amaral has spoken about. No coincidence he’s the main suspect but this is where the Portuguese could of got it wrong and not investigated Christian B properly. Imagine the oversight if he does turn out to be the abductor.

Banana Republic. · 09-06-2020 11:03AM

TheW1zard wrote: »

If you were going to snatch her why would you use the shutters anyway? Risking going between two toddlers.
Also stepping onto a bed to cross the whole room, in the dark. Sure there might be a kid in the bed under the window.
If you knew the apartment was empty why not use the front door?

Interested to know what you guys think.

IMO it was a burglary and opportunistic crime, even the restaurant had it marked that the Tapas 7 were designated that seating as it was on the reservation that the kids were closer to them by sitting there and the time they would sit for food every night. It would be easy for someone to work in collusion with an abductor. There was two men seen hanging around and if the Mc Canns didn’t do it then these two are high suspects. Easy sit there for a few nights n watch their routine being played out. Wouldn’t take to many brains to note times sit close n listen to their conversations.

Madeleine McCann

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