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Madeleine McCann

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  • #932
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    political analyst wrote: »
    Kate and Gerry wanted the police to find their daughter. Therefore, it wouldn't make sense for them to give false info to the police.


    You would think so.


    Thats what makes the back tracking and lies more bizzare.


  • #933
    rodDaly69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭rodDaly69


    False Prophet wrote: »
    no, scum is the person who took her not the mcCanns.

    Very few parents are perfect all the time, the mcanns and the tapas 7 felt it was safe.

    Lets not forget they ended up paying the ultimate price for this.

    Don't let the fact that a worse act occured absolve the parents of their responsibility.

    I'm older than Madeline is / would be by about a decade. My parents wouldn't have dared do anything similar with me. So it wasn't even a "that was how it was then" affair.

    Also, why does the fact a whole group decided to do it make it better? Just shows arseh0les seem to gravitate to one another.


  • #934
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭political analyst


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8399713/Pictured-teenage-girlfriend-Maddie-McCann-suspect-used-beat-help-solve-mystery.html
    Christian Brueckner, who German police believe killed Madeleine McCann, was not involved in her disappearance, it was claimed by a senior Portuguese police official.

    The statement was made to a respected Spanish newspaper by an unnamed Portuguese police chief.

    The officer, described as a former Policia Judiciaria chief with in-depth knowledge of the Madeleine McCann probe who still works for the force, told ABC: 'There's no evidence Christian Brueckner is involved in her disappearance.

    'Strong enough reasons to be able to charge him were never found.

    'People talk about surprises in the Madeleine McCann case with the capture of this German man, but for me it's no surprise.

    'This individual was already investigated around four years ago.'


  • #935
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    rodDaly69 wrote: »
    Just shows arseh0les seem to gravitate to one another.


    Money causes this apparently


  • #936
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭political analyst


    limnam wrote: »
    You would think so.


    Thats what makes the back tracking and lies more bizzare.

    What lies did they tell? I don't think they ever denied leaving their children unsupervised.


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  • #937
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    political analyst wrote: »
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8399713/Pictured-teenage-girlfriend-Maddie-McCann-suspect-used-beat-help-solve-mystery.html


    Mr Amaral, who has made outlandish claims including that MI5 was involved in a cover-up, said last year that a German paedophile currently in jail was “probably going to be the scapegoat” in the case.


  • #938
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    "It's like we were sat in our back garden". Why would Gerry McCann say this? What size of garden do the McCanns have?




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  • #939
    rodDaly69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭rodDaly69


    limnam wrote: »
    Money causes this apparently

    I think that's partly why I get so infuriated thinking about it. These weren't some blue collar gang who'd scraped up the few quid they had to go on holiday for the summer. They had means. They could well afford to ask the accommodation to supply a babysitter. They could have paid for it at the price of half a round of drinks, the wages in Portugal are quite low.

    So it wasn't even that they hadn't the means. They just gave their own kids that little thought.

    BTW if they were of a lower income disposition, it still wouldn't be right, or any better really. It's just a thing that makes a massively horrendously event that iota worse when you think about it.


  • #940
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,131 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    It is a complete mystery. Really.

    Can’t understand how the the baby twins slept through all the mayhem.

    But sure what do I know?


  • #941
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    callmehal wrote: »
    "It's like we were sat in our back garden". Why would Gerry McCann say this? What size of garden do the McCanns have?


    Early lock down. I was going for a jog in the garden before the kids woke up.



    The missus would go out after me because she doesn't want us both out of the house IN THE GARDEN



    These lads were out slaughtering bottles of wine with their pals.


    What were they thinking.


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  • #942
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭political analyst


    limnam wrote: »
    Mr Amaral, who has made outlandish claims including that MI5 was involved in a cover-up, said last year that a German paedophile currently in jail was “probably going to be the scapegoat” in the case.

    The article didn't say it was Amaral who expressed skepticism about Brueckner's alleged responsibility for Madeleine's fate.


  • #943
    sxt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭sxt


    political analyst wrote: »
    What lies did they tell? I don't think they ever denied leaving their children unsupervised.

    They lied to the police about the circumstances in which they found the appartment, they lied to the police when they said someone tried to open the window from the outside which was not possible, they lied that someone tried to jemmy open the window. They lied when they said they didn't move the couch over the spot where the dog later found the evidence of blood.,they lied about their time lines.


  • #944
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,131 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Hiding in plain sight is a thing also.


  • #945
    rodDaly69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭rodDaly69


    limnam wrote: »
    Early lock down. I was going for a jog in the garden before the kids woke up.



    The missus would go out after me because she doesn't want us both out of the house IN THE GARDEN



    These lads were out slaughtering bottles of wine with their pals.


    What were they thinking.

    Haven't kids myself, but I know plenty like that, and to me it's completely understandable, although maybe ye could have gone somewhere a wee bit more adventurous in turns ;)


  • #946
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    political analyst wrote: »
    The article didn't say it was Amaral who expressed skepticism about Brueckner's alleged responsibility for Madeleine's fate.


    I was just adding to it.


    Amaral called it a year ago. that's bizzare.


  • #947
    Steve F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Steve F


    Would anyone like to address the footage taken of Gerry apparently acting like someone laughing and joking at a get together with friends so soon after his daughters disappearance?
    It's always bothered me and I've never been able to understand exactly why he would be acting that way.
    Can anyone explain maybe?


  • #948
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Steve F wrote: »
    Would anyone like to address the footage taken of Gerry apparently acting like someone laughing and joking at a get together with friends so soon after his daughters disappearance?
    It's always bothered me and I've never been able to understand exactly why he would be acting that way.
    Can anyone explain maybe?


    People act differently to stress apparently


    Some people jog and play tennis have the craic.


    Some do other things.


  • #949
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭political analyst


    limnam wrote: »
    People act differently to stress apparently


    Some people jog and play tennis have the craic.


    Some do other things.

    That reminds me of the Lindy Chamberlain case.


  • #950
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,131 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Steve F wrote: »
    Would anyone like to address the footage taken of Gerry apparently acting like someone laughing and joking at a get together with friends so soon after his daughters disappearance?
    It's always bothered me and I've never been able to understand exactly why he would be acting that way.
    Can anyone explain maybe?

    There was some odd behaviour alright. Can’t comment further. Other than the money element perhaps. They did seem to have a big Establishment backing didn’t they


  • #951
    carolmon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭carolmon


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    It is a complete mystery. Really.

    Can’t understand how the the baby twins slept through all the mayhem.

    But sure what do I know?

    And why Kate would leave them sleeping in an unlocked apartment when she went back to the tapas bar suspecting that Madeleine had been snatched by a child abductor? surely you'd take your kids with you?
    I mean at this stage she thinks a predator has one of her children and then she leaves the other two unprotected? I just don't get that bit


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  • #952
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    splinter65 wrote: »
    There was, and still is, a lot of weird Irish style begrudgery going on imo. You can see it here. Even though the worst thing that could happen any parent happened to them there seemed to be a lot of resentment that both McCanns had come from very ordinary backgrounds to become successful professionals and were enjoying a very nice lifestyle, appear very happy in their relationship, are attractive etc. The constant references to “if an unemployed couple from an estate blah blah blah”even though there’s numerous examples of children dying in the care of such parents simply because they WERENT removed from their care despite warnings.
    Begrudgery and jealousy. Strange but true.

    Yup the fact they are doctors just seems to fuel the hatred. If they were council estate it would be "sure we have all made mistakes".


  • #953
    False Prophet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭False Prophet


    Steve F wrote: »
    Would anyone like to address the footage taken of Gerry apparently acting like someone laughing and joking at a get together with friends so soon after his daughters disappearance?
    It's always bothered me and I've never been able to understand exactly why he would be acting that way.
    Can anyone explain maybe?


    I not sure what you are referring to as not seen it but i can say its not that strange, how long is the clip?


    Go to any funeral up or down the country and you will find people that will look like they are laughing or joking for a minute. Can be small talk with a friend or relation that you haven't seen in a long time. Can be internal joke about the person who died or something to take your mind off what's happening. Its just a break from being mentally broken/drained.


  • #954
    Sam Quentin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    Steve F wrote: »
    Would anyone like to address the footage taken of Gerry apparently acting like someone laughing and joking at a get together with friends so soon after his daughters disappearance?
    It's always bothered me and I've never been able to understand exactly why he would be acting that way.
    Can anyone explain maybe?

    I know from experience of REAL grief that you wouldn't want to even have a get together or engage with anyone or anything,. unless necessary.. so to be even seemingly having fun and having full engagement with people.... laughing and joking,. there really is no explanation for that behaviour,.no excuse no explanation at-all,. unless it was some kind of trauma or severe shock.. but as I say even if you tried(but why would you!?) I don't think it's possible.


  • #955
    hamburgham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    political analyst wrote: »
    Leaving the children unsupervised in the apartment for one evening might not necessarily have qualified as child neglect in the eyes of the law either in Britain or in Portugal.

    I won’t even leave my dog tied to a railing when I go into a shop. It is inconceivable to me but I suppose people have different risk thresholds.


  • #956
    False Prophet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭False Prophet


    Steve F wrote: »
    Would anyone like to address the footage taken of Gerry apparently acting like someone laughing and joking at a get together with friends so soon after his daughters disappearance?
    It's always bothered me and I've never been able to understand exactly why he would be acting that way.
    Can anyone explain maybe?


    Can you share the footage please as i can find no record of this?


    Other then what looks to be fake Youtube clip from 2017 not days after: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rv0vQueIWo


  • #957
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I would have thought the likes of those doctors could have afforded to bring a nanny/childminder with them on the holiday, who could have helped take care of the children and let the parents off for the night, at least in turns. Could they not have hired a good-sized villa between them, so they could all have been accommodated in the same building.

    Maybe, maybe not. Were they consultants at that point? Even if they were, who knows what their outgoings were. And if they weren’t yet consultants, NHS doctor pay is good but not amazing. Paying for the holiday and labour of a childminder would not be cheap and I don’t think many middle class families would do that. People seem to have an image of doctors living in gold houses. They can have financial constraints like anyone else. A couple who are, say, both software developers could make way more as a couple than two doctors.


  • #958
    Immortal Starlight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭Immortal Starlight


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Maybe, maybe not. Were they consultants at that point? Even if they were, who knows what their outgoings were. And if they weren’t yet consultants, NHS doctor pay is good but not amazing. Paying for the holiday and labour of a childminder would not be cheap and I don’t think many middle class families would do that. People seem to have an image of doctors living in gold houses. They can have financial constraints like anyone else. A couple who are, say, both software developers could make way more as a couple than two doctors.

    When you have children their welfare should always come first. Unfortunately for some people that's not how it goes.


  • #959
    False Prophet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭False Prophet


    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    I know from experience of REAL grief that you wouldn't want to even have a get together or engage with anyone or anything,. unless necessary.. so to be even seemingly having fun and having full engagement with people.... laughing and joking,. there really is no explanation for that behaviour,.no excuse no explanation at-all,. unless it was some kind of trauma or severe shock.. but as I say even if you tried(but why would you!?) I don't think it's possible.


    People react to grief differently, some people will completely shut down others will try and busy themselves with mindless things, others will appear to be laughing and joking, others will be completely tired and worn out.



    Anyway to be clear Jerry wasn't at any "gettogether" and wasn't laughing and joking.


    9 days later on Madeline birthday at a special mass they commited the crime of smiling for a second at something that raises laughter in the crowd. Anyone that watches the video can see how devastated both parents are but no matter, the tabloids and conspiracies got the screenshot they wanted.


  • #960
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭maebee


    Steve F wrote: »
    Would anyone like to address the footage taken of Gerry apparently acting like someone laughing and joking at a get together with friends so soon after his daughters disappearance?
    It's always bothered me and I've never been able to understand exactly why he would be acting that way.
    Can anyone explain maybe?

    It's similar to Kate and Gerry coming out of the church in PDL on what would have been Madeleine's 4th birthday, less than a week after her disappearance, laughing their faces off, smiling like they'd won the lotto. Very very strange.


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  • #961
    False Prophet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭False Prophet


    maebee wrote: »
    It's similar to Kate and Gerry coming out of the church in PDL on what would have been Madeleine's 4th birthday, less than a week after her disappearance, laughing their faces off, smiling like they'd won the lotto. Very very strange.


    Utter rubbish, Here is what you are referring to:
    http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39078219/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2043#2TheMcCannsnbspwereseensmilingandlaughingonwhatwouldhavebeenMadeleine%E2%80%99s4thbirthdayjust9daysaftershewentmissing


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