Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Mr rebel · 08-06-2020 10:35PM

I’ve found Ginger’s posts to be a great sense of comfort and reassurance when I’ve been feeling particularly down and anxious about the lockdown restrictions.

Cork Boy 53 · 08-06-2020 10:36PM

Jackman25 wrote: »

I said fairly tedious, but not quite at ignore level yet. I'll let you know :-). You do that bud.

Just as a matter of interest:

In 6 weeks time, when the restrictions are more or less lifted will you do any of:

Non-essential shopping i.e. clothes, luxuries etc, Clothes yes .I don't know what you classify as luxuries.
Pubs, Restaurants, Hotels, cinemas, theatres etc, Pubs no. Hotels no unless absolutely necessary. Restaurants ,cinemas, theatres probably yes depending on distancing arrangements
Public transport. Already doing that but only if wearing a mask.
Holidays (in or out of the country)? In the country probably depending on location, outside of it definitely not.

Any more questions or is that it?

08-06-2020 10:36PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://www.corriere.it/salute/20_giugno_08/test-sierologici-bergamo-positivo-57percento-pazienti-30b159ec-a9a6-11ea-b9d7-2bd646fda8c5.shtml

Interesting news , almost 60% of residents in bergamo have developed antibodies to the virus, herd immunity may have been achieved here. Though this also means that a large part of the population having any natural immunity is likely false .

Bergamo has 120,000 people and 13,000 confirmed cases. Based on that less than 1 in 6 cases were detected. Extrapolate that to here and you get 150,000 cases. A long way from herd immunity .
They have had over 2,000 deaths also which in a population of 120,000 is massive. No worse than the flu and we should have left everything open they tell us

08-06-2020 10:38PM

snowcat wrote: »

I think Ginger et al need to be thanked for opening up the debate on the restrictions in Ireland. Despite the doom mongers thousands of people have not died due to the opening of woodies and further relaxation.

Does anyone believe anything anyone says here has any influence on the debate?

Ginger n Lemon · 08-06-2020 10:42PM

Mr rebel wrote: »

I’ve found Ginger’s posts to be a great sense of comfort and reassurance when I’ve been feeling particularly down and anxious about the lockdown restrictions.

Good to hear. I do have to say i experienced a lot of anxiety after Leo s speech 1 May. I somehow got through it by joining boards and venting my anger. To my surprise about 80% of posters were in agreement. And by that i mean i wasnt surprised at all. So if you are ever feeling down from these nonsense restrictions then posting here might just help you.

And whatever you do - do not watch RTE more than 2 times per week.

Santy2015 · 08-06-2020 10:42PM

Every poll on Claire Byrne is always in favour of curtain twitchers

Cork Boy 53 · 08-06-2020 10:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Does anyone believe anything anyone says here has any influence on the debate?

Seemingly some are self deluded enough to believe it does.

snowcat · 08-06-2020 10:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Does anyone believe anything anyone says here has any influence on the debate?

Yes i believe we suceeded. We definitely opened up the debate. And it has been a resounding sucess

Deeper Blue · 08-06-2020 10:44PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

According to some there is a "roaring trade" in black market hairdressing at present. If they are that plentiful I`m sure you will be able to find one if you`re that anxious about your hair.

If I had any hair to be anxious about I'd probably consider it

Santy2015 · 08-06-2020 10:46PM

Christ! THE END IS NIGH!! Tomas Ryan sensationalism at its best!!

08-06-2020 10:48PM

snowcat wrote: »

Yes i believe we suceeded. We definitely opened up the debate. And it has been a resounding sucess

Meanwhile back on planet earth I have not heard a single report talking about how restrictions have been eased due to talk on internet or social media. It’s the numbers

Jackman25 · 08-06-2020 10:51PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Any more questions or is that it?

Nah that's the lot. Just interested to see if you would actually go back to normal living insofar as it was allowed once the restrictions were lifted.

ixoy · 08-06-2020 10:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Meanwhile back on planet earth I have not heard a single report talking about how restrictions have been eased due to talk on internet or social media. It’s the numbers

Which is fine. However, we weren't being told what the numbers were, which was frustrating and there were lost opportunities to get us there faster - certainly should have been greater emphasis on masks as a means of curbing transmission to start with.

utmbuilder · 08-06-2020 10:58PM

Mask's and Hand gel, I don't like the spike in google search's

ShooterSF · 08-06-2020 10:59PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Look - if you have a modicum of critical thinking ability and can weed through the skewed and sensationalised reporting of numbers to justify said restrictions, then you'd understand the frustration from those questioning lockdown/restrictions here.

Comparisons to the flu have been hashed out - yes it's a different virus. A new virus, understood.

Have a read of this;
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/flu-outbreak-linked-to-18-deaths-and-strain-on-emergency-departments-1.4125414

Here's a pertinent bit;

'
Dr Kevin Kelleher, HSE assistant national director for public health, said he expected the number of deaths directly related to the flu to reach 100 in the coming weeks.

However, he said many people who died after being admitted to hospital with the flu had other underlying conditions.

“So they will die from pneumonia, they will die from their heart disease or something else, and that figure longer term is normally around 300 or 400 in total,” he said.'

If it's acceptable that three or four hundred die 'with flu' each season in our hospitals - extrapolate that to residential care homes and you're easily over a thousand deaths 'with flu'. And this is something we have a vaccine for.

This happens most years with some years worse than others.

So yes, some of us have trouble with the hysteria. Not to say that improved personal hygiene is not a positive to come from this - but surely at this point there needs to be a reality check on the fear mongering.

But you're comparing numbers from a disease that we vaccinate for but carry on with daily life to one where we shut the country down hard to keep the numbers down. I dunno maybe look to parts of the U.S that tried to carry on as normal and compare to their flu numbers.

08-06-2020 11:00PM

ixoy wrote: »

Which is fine. However, we weren't being told what the numbers were, which was frustrating and there were lost opportunities to get us there faster - certainly should have been greater emphasis on masks as a means of curbing transmission to start with.

Probably because it was a complex picture involving cases, tracing, deaths, icu, economic factors among other things. If they had said x number of free icu beds and y hospital admissions it would not have told the full story of the factors they had to take into account, and if they have given the full picture, based on what has been said here and elsewhere we would just have ended with more confusion.

growleaves · 08-06-2020 11:05PM

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1146227/

ixoy · 08-06-2020 11:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Probably because it was a complex picture involving cases, tracing, deaths, icu, economic factors among other things.

I dunno - they could at least then have said that. Draw a graph even or maybe provide some insight into their modelling which ideally would be open to read about. Most people won't want to but for those of us who want to dig in a little bit, it'd have been an option.
Instead we got a far more insulting, "when the figures are right" as if we were kids asking when dinner was ready.

completedit · 08-06-2020 11:08PM

What about community centres?

Penfailed · 08-06-2020 11:10PM

Mr rebel wrote: »

I’ve found Ginger’s posts to be a great sense of comfort and reassurance when I’ve been feeling particularly down and anxious about the lockdown restrictions.

Really? Despite all the doom and gloom about the economy?

08-06-2020 11:11PM

Anyone else find the mask obsession from some a bit tedious? I'm sure it helps, but we're down to minimal cases per day without much mask use, so not wearing one is hardly outrageous behaviour. Notice is more of an online obsession than anything.

MickeyLeari · 08-06-2020 11:12PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Really? Despite all the doom and gloom about the economy?

Yes. But it was about minimising the economic damage. Perhaps we can discuss that around Christmas.

Goldengirl · 08-06-2020 11:14PM

brighterspark wrote: »

Yes I am very aware of the fact that these restrictions are self imposed by the GAA and I cannot understand why when other sports are bending over backwards to bring some activity to their members - they can only offer a stroll around the field? Why can they not start on fitness training in small groups - no contact needed!

Starting small groups training , end of June beginning of July.

MickeyLeari · 08-06-2020 11:14PM

AdamD wrote: »

Anyone else find the mask obsession from some a bit tedious? I'm sure it helps, but we're down to minimal cases per day without much mask use, so not wearing one is hardly outrageous behaviour. Notice is more of an online obsession than anything.

I would see it as useful on busy public transport if it means capacity can increase and more can open up. It is very common in Asia and you get used to it.

Penfailed · 08-06-2020 11:15PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Yes. But it was about minimising the economic damage. Perhaps we can discuss that around Christmas.

I wasn't directing the question at you...but okay.

Ginger n Lemon · 08-06-2020 11:18PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I would see it as useful on busy public transport if it means capacity can increase and more can open up. It is very common in Asia and you get used to it.

It will never catch on in here though. Thankfully, I dont like the idea of wearing ludicrous face coverings. If you are at risk feel free but to make healthy people wear masks after you made them sit at home for 3 months and netflix is pushing goodwill a bit too much.

Goldengirl · 08-06-2020 11:20PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I was wondering the same thing myself. I suppose it could be a factor in the unusually high rate of Covid cases in Dublin compared to the rest of the country even taking the population difference into account.

Jayze, I am going to shops and walking and going to work and meeting people socially in groups outside now , and everyone I know and see bar the odd teen group are sticking to 2 km distancing whether they like it or not.
Dublin in general has been hit worse, especially North West and North Dublin, but Iwould think that is because of population density? Not noncompliance.

Jackman25 · 08-06-2020 11:28PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Really? Despite all the doom and gloom about the economy?

The economic doom and gloom is tangible. The figures are there for all to see as are the closed businesses and people out of work.
Nobody can talk with any certainty about there being a second wave of Covid

Penfailed · 08-06-2020 11:32PM

Jackman25 wrote: »

The economic doom and gloom is tangible. The figures are there for all to see as are the closed businesses and people out of work.
Nobody can talk with any certainty about there being a second wave of Covid

I didn't address the question to you...but okay.

For what it's worth, I don't think there will be a second 'wave'. I think there will possibly be a 'ripple' rather than a wave.

Goldengirl · 08-06-2020 11:35PM

ixoy wrote: »

Very interesting article from the BBC: Why most Covid-19 deaths won’t be from the virus

It covers a range of issues - ones such as famine in poorer countries, health screenings, mental health, and a lot more. Well worth a read.

Anything to deflect from their woeful statistics .

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