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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #3362
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    brighterspark wrote: »
    Yes I am very aware of the fact that these restrictions are self imposed by the GAA and I cannot understand why when other sports are bending over backwards to bring some activity to their members - they can only offer a stroll around the field? Why can they not start on fitness training in small groups - no contact needed!
    The concept of an organisation doing something for the community as a whole and not for their own purely selfish needs is difficult for many here to grasp. I'm sure they will restart when they are sure they are confident that they can do it safely.


  • #3363
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Observations on social distancing and why I think it will be gone entirely very soon;

    Businesses implementing elaborate temporary structures to enable social distancing hopefully aren't spending too much money as I just don't see how it would be practicable to operate this way if they are busy. Service would be painfully slow to the point where income won't be earned to cover costs. Quarantining clothes and shoes being tried on for a few days also isn't viable.
    Businesses can't ignore health instructions and hope to get insured. Your dream of a widespread revolt is simply not going to happen.

    Public transport may have to change, but its difficult to see the government signing off on what may be regarded as unsafe practices. Masks for all at a minimum.

    Sporting organisations will similarly follow the government rules to be seen to act responsibly and safely. Both for insurance purposes, and because no-one wants to be the one blamed if an outbreak can be traced back to them. This is particularly important for community based organisations such as rural GAA.


  • #3364
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    road_high wrote: »
    Ivan Yates made the same point as I did earlier- some businesses- you’ve been closed for three months...why the hell aren’t you ready to open up today? Fair enough some were blindsided and need staff training/provision of new measures but you knew for you to 3 months these may be needed. Don’t go whinging to government for support if you couldnt get your arses in gear

    Because they could not trust the Government after the Ikea typo.


  • #3365
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    hmmm wrote: »
    The concept of an organisation doing something for the community as a whole and not for their own purely selfish needs is difficult for many here to grasp. I'm sure they will restart when they are sure they are confident that they can do it safely.

    Agreed but there is some speculation currently that the GAA may reopen their pitches for training and eventually for matches a week to 10 days earlier than the current plans.


  • #3366
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Agreed but there is some speculation currently that the GAA may reopen their pitches for training and eventually for matches a week to 10 days earlier than the current plans.
    They have a green light now effectively. That's not to say they are satisfied they have everything in place to do it safely.


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  • #3367
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    hmmm wrote: »
    Businesses can't ignore health instructions and hope to get insured. Your dream of a widespread revolt is simply not going to happen.

    Public transport may have to change, but its difficult to see the government signing off on what may be regarded as unsafe practices. Masks for all at a minimum.

    Sporting organisations will similarly follow the government rules to be seen to act responsibly and safely. Both for insurance purposes, and because no-one wants to be the one blamed if an outbreak can be traced back to them. This is particularly important for community based organisations such as rural GAA.

    Indeed. Another vital point that those who want businesses to flout the regulations conveniently ignore.


  • #3368
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    hmmm wrote: »
    They have a green light now effectively. That's not to say they are satisfied they have everything in place to do it safely.

    I believe each GAA club will be obliged to appoint a Covid safety officer to ensure the health regulations will be followed. Obviously it will take some time for proper guidelines and training to be implemented. ATM the plan is for competitive club matches to start on 31st July and intercounty games in mid October but as I stated previously this may be brought forward by a week or so.


  • #3369
    Santy2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    Another fearmongering doctor!!!
    https://twitter.com/drvaleriemorris/status/1269980879125872640?s=21
    They actually want this to escalate again!!


  • #3370
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Another fearmongering doctor!!!
    https://twitter.com/drvaleriemorris/status/1269980879125872640?s=21
    They actually want this to escalate again!!

    Its just comedy at this stage :D

    You listen to some people especially in this thread youd think covid is more deadly than ebola. :rolleyes:


  • #3371
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Another fearmongering doctor!!!
    https://twitter.com/drvaleriemorris/status/1269980879125872640?s=21
    They actually want this to escalate again!!

    Just stating common sense really.


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  • #3372
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Another fearmongering doctor!!!
    https://twitter.com/drvaleriemorris/status/1269980879125872640?s=21
    They actually want this to escalate again!!

    Just clueless actually. The R0 is the exponent in an exponential rise in cases. And exponential rise in the R0 would be scary. But I think her mid guided point is they don’t want it to escalate, no matter how much they misunderstand the science.


  • #3373
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Just stating common sense really.

    Well she is repeating Gerry Killeen.

    So you think Gerry speaks common sense?


  • #3374
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Well she is repeating Gerry Killeen.

    So you think Gerry speaks common sense?

    You answer the question I asked you earlier and I may consider answering yours if I decide it`s worthy of my time.


  • #3375
    snowcat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    Penfailed wrote: »
    Yeah, the point is, we weren't the only country doing this.

    Unfortunately we cannot follow or lead in this mess, We are paddy in the middle. I admire progrssive countries like Austria Switz NZ Germany (Sweden on the far side). We lockdowned too late, opened up too late. Have one of the worst death rates in Europe. Going to be the most econimically affected in Europe


  • #3376
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    You answer the question I asked you earlier and I may consider answering yours if I decide it`s worthy of my time.

    But you dont need to answer my question, you support Gerry Killeen. And you support the notion of lockdown the country if cases spike.

    You cant deny that like you just said thats common sense....

    Anyways

    'We cannot just flatten the curve, we need to crush it. Wearing masks will help'

    https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/coronavirus-masks-5096561-May2020/

    Check out the article, photo very much resonates with pro lockdown individual that speaks common sense according to you.


  • #3377
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    It’s obvious the vast bulk of people don’t give two ****s about lockdown now- loads out shopping, few masks.


  • #3378
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    road_high wrote: »
    It’s obvious the vast bulk of people don’t give two ****s about lockdown now- loads out shopping, few masks.

    They clearly arent afraid of a 2nd wave. Think only people in Ireland afraid of 2nd wave are in this thread trying to spook us with reimposing lockdowns...

    Thats a cause for concern :rolleyes:


  • #3379
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    But you dont need to answer my question, you support Gerry Killeen. And you support the notion of lockdown the country if cases spike.

    You cant deny that like you just said thats common sense....

    Anyways

    'We cannot just flatten the curve, we need to crush it. Wearing masks will help'

    https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/coronavirus-masks-5096561-May2020/

    Check out the article, photo very much resonates with pro lockdown individual that speaks common sense according to you.

    So it seems clear you are not going to bother answering my question. In that case don`t bother asking me anything else as I will no longer be responding to your posts from now on. So long bud.


  • #3380
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Jackman25 wrote: »
    I think there will be an initial dance for a month or two for all businesses to put on a good show for the twitchers. They might as well get it over with, the sooner the better.
    Then things will return to normal and the twitchers will be ignored. Like with the early days of the lock down and the pictures of crowded parks and beaches etc. No one cares about them now.

    This post works if you substitute "twitchers " with " whingers " too, lol.


  • #3381
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Just stating common sense really.
    Is it? Are other countries employing face masks everywhere? They're mandated in some places on the likes of public transport (which is a good idea) but not on every street.

    I'm still struggling to see why Ireland's going to get it so much worse than all these other places, especially when there's fewer and fewer people to spread it.


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  • #3382
    completedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    I love all the academics(Cool ones as well) who were hypothesizing the world post-covid, one of my faves Mark Blyth repeatably asked rhetorically over the past months 'Are people going to go to the malls?'...seems the answer is a resounding yes. The scenes from Spring Break in the USA and throughout Europe show people want to LIVE.


  • #3383
    snowcat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    So it seems clear you are not going to bother answering my question. In that case don`t bother asking me anything else as I will no longer be responding to your posts from now on. So long bud.

    When we have 9 new cases in the country the wearing of masks is pedantic. You might as well wear a Life Jacket walking down the street. The wearing of masks should have been from day 1. Then we might have saved lives. The ship has sailed now Tony


  • #3384
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    What he should do

    - announce that through the efforts of the people we have effectively beaten the virus but need to remain vigilant as there are still risks.
    - apologise on behalf of the State for the deaths that arose in the nursing homes. There will be a formal enquiry on this.
    - apologise to the health staff on the lack of PPE and undertake to ensure that the State has sufficient supplies in case of another outbreak (these will be sourced domestically).
    - open up nearly everything except still encourage home working for those who can. Beginning on 15th June.
    - open up nearly everything means every business who can safely apply 1 metre social distancing + services like hairdressing, barbers etc.
    - local authorities to take on some enforcement rules - if a business does not follow the rules it should be shut down. Target the businesses who misbehave rather than close all within the sectors.
    - strongly encourage personal health measures to be maintained. Messaging needs to focus on this.
    - remove any restrictions on travel (domestic from 8 June and within the EU from 1 July) but indicate that there will be temp checks and random testing in our airports.
    - enhanced Covid payment and job protection to be maintained for anyone who is diagnosed with the virus. An incentive for testing. Employers will need to take responsibility in their workplaces.
    - masks to be required on public transport.

    What he is likely to do -

    - tell us that we need to stick to the plan. NPhet have advised. But as a reward he will lift the distance from 5km to 20km from 8 June.

    To be fair. They surprised me.


  • #3385
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    snowcat wrote: »
    When we have 9 new cases in the country the wearing of masks is pedantic. You might as well wear a Life Jacket walking down the street. The wearing of masks should have been from day 1. Then we might have saved lives. The ship has sailed now Tony

    :D:D:D

    cant stop laughing


  • #3386
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Very interesting article from the BBC: Why most Covid-19 deaths won’t be from the virus

    It covers a range of issues - ones such as famine in poorer countries, health screenings, mental health, and a lot more. Well worth a read.


  • #3387
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,190 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    They clearly arent afraid of a 2nd wave. Think only people in Ireland afraid of 2nd wave are in this thread trying to spook us with reimposing lockdowns...

    Thats a cause for concern :rolleyes:

    Don't forget Rte, they're thriving off the doom and gloom. Just witnessed the most depressing 2m socially distanced reunion between a grandfather and his grandkids on the 9 oclock news.
    Hug your grandkids and loved ones, we have to stop this nonsense, god knows what tomorrow will bring.


  • #3388
    rooney30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭rooney30


    This face mask wearing debate is a bit of a red herring if you ask me . The fact is , infection rates are falling off a cliff all around western Europe , despite lockdowns being lifted . Is this because everybody has been a good boy /girl and kept their social distance ? I don’t think so .
    Something else is at play here that science has yet to explain . Is it burning out , mutating to become weaker ,less transmissible , who knows ? Is there a seasonal effect ? Who knows ? We might never know.
    What we should do is ,ride this wave ,open our economy up ASAP and stay vigilant
    The second wave brigade need to take a few Xanax for now, the tide is against ye in the short to medium term at least


  • #3389
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    rooney30 wrote: »
    This face mask wearing debate is a bit of a red herring if you ask me . The fact is , infection rates are falling off a cliff all around western Europe , despite lockdowns being lifted . Is this because everybody has been a good boy /girl and kept their social distance ? I don’t think so .
    Something else is at play here that science has yet to explain . Is it burning out , mutating to become weaker ,less transmissible , who knows ? Is there a seasonal effect ? Who knows ? We might never know.
    What we should do is ,ride this wave ,open our economy up ASAP and stay vigilant
    The second wave brigade need to take a few Xanax for now, the tide is against ye in the short to medium term at least

    Quick get the WHO on the line and tell them a poster on boards has made a discovery about the virus.


  • #3390
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    This thread is hilarious. Where do you lot hang out normally?

    From hugging grandparents left right and centre in the middle of a pandemic, to believing that shops will be full if we simply close our eyes and ignore everything, to some form of religious vision that a virus will never come back - and most of all a belief that you're all right and everyone else is wrong. It's just a riot of self-delusion.


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  • #3391
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    This post works if you substitute "twitchers " with " whingers " too, lol.

    You could also use "lockdown merchants", "mouth-breathers" or whatever current term the self styled "cool kids" on these forums have latched onto at the moment.


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