Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-7-june-2020.pdf

Latest hospital update.

Slight drop from 125 to 122 in hospitals.

ICU has dropped from 36 to 34 with 0 deaths last 24 hours. Ventilations down to 19.

Looks like general hospital work is picking up now, vacant beds reducing but again it's the weekend, little seems to happen in terms of discharges.

Based on previous weeks I'd be hopeful of that 122 dropping to near 100 or hopefully under.

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

It was already discussed. You have 17 threads to go through.

It is you who is deflecting the question. Another poster asked you for link to your claim yesterday and you didn't even come back with it.

Because you're talking pure bullsh!t with a 5% failure rate.

The 5% rate for Ireland was mentioned thoroughly about 2 or 3 threads ago. Had some nice medical journal links I remember reading. Have a look through them there. Think the discussion was after midnight Irish time. Or maybe afternoon. Trump was talking at the time I think. Sure you'll find it if you go through the threads.

Well, covid numbers are dropping all over Europe, just at the same time 100s of thousands if not millions are on the streets protesting.
What the chances of this thing coming back with a vengeance, helped massively, by these protests. I’d say there’s a fairly high chance unfortunately.

Reports this evening that the Govt are looking at establishing "air bridges" with France, Germany, Portugal and perhaps Greece and Croatia - but not Spain or Italy.

Presumably this would mean citizens could move in both directions, without restrictions or having to go through any type of quarantine.

Strazdas wrote: »

Reports this evening that the Govt are looking at establishing "air bridges" with France, Germany, Portugal and perhaps Greece and Croatia - but not Spain or Italy.

Presumably this would mean citizens could move in both directions, without restrictions or having to go through any type of quarantine.

French girls are gorgeous, I never doubted our Government.

I have a flight to Berlin next month that was booked pre-Covid....suddenly it’s not looking like a complete write off as it did even just a few weeks ago.

Martina1991 wrote: »

The 30% false negative stat came out of China months ago. It wasn't mentioned what platform they were using. The 30% number stuck but it has no basis in Ireland.
I dont think it's possible to accurately estimate the false negativity rate.

Swab someone too early in their infection, not enough viral particles, negative result.
Swab someone improperly, sample compromised, negative result.
Swab someone after they've recovered, negative result.

How do you accurately measure the incidence of poor collection or the patients stage of infection.

The decreasing number of cases is reflected in the decreasing number of hospitalizations, ICU admissions and deaths.

I would say our testing is very accurate.

China use a mixture of their own smaller POC platforms, BGI (Beijing Genomics Institute) which i think is a rip off of the MagNaPure96 and Light cycler and official RMD MagNaPure.

30% failure was imo more associated with USA CDC who tried to develop their own test and failed miserably, China’s dodgy tests were just carpet baggers selling tests to who ever willing to buy them wether they were reliable or not was no concern of those selling them. Also don’t forget there is a few fly-by-nighters in Europe (inc Ireland) wanting to cash in on demand for testing and using Europe’s lax CE mark which is cheaper rather than benchmark effectiveness of FDA. And in US I also have my doubts with Abbott NOW (Alere back in the old days).

In Ireland I think they have a Cobas 6800 at the NVRL, MP96s at some of the bigger labs and a lot of POC like Cephid and possibly Abbott NOW in smaller hospitals and Cobas 8800 in the German labs are like C6800 something like 98% accurate.

But like you say any test is only as good as the collector swabbing or the viral load and location of body that the patient presents.

tom1ie wrote: »

Fair enough. “0 chance”. Wow.
Tell that to the Brazilians.

Not saying it’s absolutely seasonal, but I’m not sure comparisons to Brazil’s temperatures are fully correct. Every country in the world has flu seasons, and Brazil is heading into theirs. If it was based on absolute temperature, Ireland would never get out of flu season even during our hottest summers.

tom1ie wrote: »

Indeed but we know this virus transmits very easily. We have 100s of thousands of people in close quarters just when the virus was bottoming out (Europe), at somewhere near a peak (South America), or on a downward trend (north America).
That’s an unnecessary risk imo.

Absolutely agree.

Would love to be proved wrong in a few weeks all the same

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Here is the full text of the new WHO advice

Nobody is listening to the WHO anymore, including ourselves.

Masks will in all likely hood be mandatory on public transport here shortly.

It's the only way they will be able to provide a feasible service.

Boggles wrote: »

That's the main problem, we are looking at countries outcomes without looking at how they achieved those outcomes.

The reality is masks will mandatory for at least public transport shortly, they can't run a service and maintain social distance.

It's why Simon has been bleating on about them since Friday.

The North are about to pull the trigger and follow England advice.

I actually can't see the masks happening unless the decline stalls or numbers rise a bit. Even so it'll be the 3rd week before there are indications of that.