Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Strazdas · 07-06-2020 02:20PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Shouldn't we be preventing community transmission in the first place by wearing masks?

That would be far more pressing if cases were rising or were currently very high.

It might be a different story if the reputed second wave was to emerge, at that point compulsory masks may be necessary.

ACitizenErased · 07-06-2020 02:21PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Shouldn't we be preventing community transmission in the first place by wearing masks?

Community transmission is prevented by people watching their symptoms and getting tested if they feel ill.

Boggles · 07-06-2020 02:28PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Community transmission is prevented by people watching their symptoms and getting tested if they feel ill.

That's the sort of statement you may have got away with in March, no longer I am afraid, it's outdated and debunked nonsense. Even FIFA, I mean The WHO are no longer banging that drum.

Nearly Half of Coronavirus Spread May Be Traced to People Without Any Symptoms

podgeandrodge · 07-06-2020 02:28PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Shouldn't we be preventing community transmission in the first place by wearing masks?

Opinion is still divided on whether masks would have that much impact in any event, compared to social distancing and washing hands, not touching face etc. In my view, which is no more informed than anyone with the opposite view, too much is being made of masks as some sort of magic wand.

Boggles · 07-06-2020 02:30PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Opinion is still divided on whether masks would have that much impact in any event, compared to social distancing and washing hands, not touching face etc. In my view, which is no more informed than anyone with the opposite view, too much is being made of masks as some sort of magic wand.

Okay Merlin.

Austria Has 90% Drop in Coronavirus Cases After Requiring People to Wear Face Masks

Widdensushi · 07-06-2020 02:34PM

Boggles wrote: »

That's the sort of statement you may have got away with in March, no longer I am afraid, it's outdated and debunked nonsense. Even FIFA, I mean The WHO are no longer banging that drum.

Nearly Half of Coronavirus Spread May Be Traced to People Without Any Symptoms

Presumably someone who caught it from them would show symptoms and they would be tested via being in contact, there aren't loads of people walking around without symptoms, if there was there would be more people with symptoms.

Rob A. Bank · 07-06-2020 02:34PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Community transmission is prevented by people watching their symptoms and getting tested if they feel ill.

This virus has a stealth mode for spreading... if you wait for people to develop symptoms, in order to reduce community transmission, you may be 2 or 3 days too late.

The presymptomatic and asymptomatic spreaders have been consistently ignored by our experts... which may explain our atrocious case and death figures.

ACitizenErased · 07-06-2020 02:35PM

Boggles wrote: »

That's the sort of statement you may have got away with in March, no longer I am afraid, it's outdated and debunked nonsense. Even FIFA, I mean The WHO are no longer banging that drum.

Nearly Half of Coronavirus Spread May Be Traced to People Without Any Symptoms

The fact we have had no spike since restrictions lifted suggests that we have a low level of community transmission and hence a low level of asymptomatic carriers.

ZX7R · 07-06-2020 02:37PM

Boggles wrote: »

They haven't really.

They have eased restrictions on the need to wear them outdoors predominately.

Farmers in Poland no longer have to wear them for example.

They are still mandatory.

In fact mandatory face coverings is pretty much the norm in the majority of Europe at this stage, but more importantly public buy in is huge.

But Ireland, "shure be grand".

I never said it wasn't mandatory,I said that changes are been made.
In Poland no body has to wear a mask outdoors since the 5th of may

Boggles · 07-06-2020 02:43PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Presumably someone who caught it from them would show symptoms and they would be tested via being in contact, there aren't loads of people walking around without symptoms, if there was there would be more people with symptoms.

There hasn't be lots of people walking around full stop.

But the evidence is now overwhelming and unequivocal.

It has been for quite a while. Just testing people with symptoms is not enough, even by our own small study 70% of close contacts tested positive without displaying symptoms.

Patient 0 in France the lady that worked in the fish market, never developed symptoms, nor did she get sick, her 2 kids and husband did.

Away With The Fairies · 07-06-2020 02:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Community transmission is prevented by people watching their symptoms and getting tested if they feel ill.

Community transmission is not prevented by watching symptoms and staying at home if feeling unwell... People are infectious before showing symptoms, so they could be at work or wherever a few days before feeling unwell and it's too late then.

Away With The Fairies · 07-06-2020 02:46PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Opinion is still divided on whether masks would have that much impact in any event, compared to social distancing and washing hands, not touching face etc. In my view, which is no more informed than anyone with the opposite view, too much is being made of masks as some sort of magic wand.

Isn't hand washing just a recommendation as well. We seem to have taken to that well. Hand sanitizer provided at every entrance to shops.

Widdensushi · 07-06-2020 02:47PM

Boggles wrote: »

There hasn't be lots of people walking around full stop.

But the evidence is now overwhelming and unequivocal.

It has been for quite a while. Just testing people with symptoms is not enough, even by our own small study 70% of close contacts tested positive without displaying symptoms.

Patient 0 in France the lady that worked in the fish market, never developed symptoms, nor did she get sick, her 2 kids and husband did.

Exactly, her family did, if the borders were closed we could have the country free movement, the borders aren't going to be closed though

Boggles · 07-06-2020 02:48PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The fact we have had no spike since restrictions lifted suggests that we have a low level of community transmission and hence a low level of asymptomatic carriers.

Agreed.

But that has very little to do with the point you made, the one I replied to.

TBH, if people are still behind the WHO when they have moved on, you know you are in trouble.

Boggles · 07-06-2020 02:51PM

ZX7R wrote: »

I never said it wasn't mandatory,I said that changes are been made.
In Poland no body has to wear a mask outdoors since the 5th of may

In Ireland no one has had to wear a mask full stop, ever, inside, outside, upside down.

You are comparing apples with oranges.

Away With The Fairies · 07-06-2020 03:01PM

I really hope this goes well. Manufacturing of a vaccine has begun. But have to wait until their trials and testing finishes in August.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.sciencefocus.com/news/coronavirus-manufacturing-begins-on-millions-of-doses-of-the-oxford-vaccine-candidate/amp/

ZX7R · 07-06-2020 03:08PM

Boggles wrote: »

In Ireland no one has had to wear a mask full stop, ever, inside, outside, upside down.

You are comparing apples with oranges.

I'm not comparing either,it pointless making masks mandatory here when other countries are starting to relax there usage.
I'm all for masks but too little to late in as far as our country

Gael23 · 07-06-2020 03:15PM

1 death 25 cases but it is Sunday

ACitizenErased · 07-06-2020 03:15PM

1 new death RIP

25 new cases.

normanoffside · 07-06-2020 03:22PM

Gael23 wrote: »

1 death 25 cases but it is Sunday

Same conversation every Sunday on here.

There is no weekend lag in Ireland. Look at the previous Sunday stats to show this.

ACitizenErased · 07-06-2020 03:24PM

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1269651191476125700?s=20

Cal4567 · 07-06-2020 03:44PM

While please god we are going in the right direction, though with daily figures it does seem like a very slow descent, but at least we are getting there, the numbers across the World continue to show new cases in excess of 100,000 each and every day. We live these days in a much smaller and globalised world with accesible travel to almost anywhere.

Yes, we can get back to a much nearer 'normal', but it looks to be this virus still has a long way to go before world numbers start to decrease.

ACitizenErased · 07-06-2020 03:44PM

Analysis of cases as of midnight Friday 5th June - 25,176 (+17)

Healthcare Workers -2
Clusters +3
Cases associated with clusters +20

Age Ranges Affected
0-4 No Change
5-14 -1
15-24 +4
25-34 +3
35-44 +5
45-54 +3
55-64 -2
65-74 +1
75-84 +4
85+ No Change

Counties
Cork +1
Donegal -1
Dublin +12
Kilkenny +4
Laois +1
Longford +1
Meath +1
Wicklow +2

Boggles · 07-06-2020 04:11PM

ZX7R wrote: »

I'm not comparing either,it pointless making masks mandatory here when other countries are starting to relax there usage.
I'm all for masks but too little to late in as far as our country

What an utterly bizarre way to look at something.

Anyway the reality is Masks will be more than likely mandatory on Public transport here shortly, the unions want it before things get far busier and by the sounds of it the North are about to follow the motherland.

lbj666 · 07-06-2020 04:15PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Same conversation every Sunday on here.

There is no weekend lag in Ireland. Look at the previous Sunday stats to show this.

Always best to look at 7 day averages currently 35 per day, was 53 last Sunday, 75 the week before.

Probably gonna starting seeing things taper off but hopefully low 20s by this time next week mid teens the week after.

podgeandrodge · 07-06-2020 04:19PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Isn't hand washing just a recommendation as well. We seem to have taken to that well. Hand sanitizer provided at every entrance to shops.

Yes, but I think in terms of recommendations, hand washing is in the stratosphere of preventing transmission compared to masks.

I'm not saying that masks have no value, just that I think they have value mainly in closed confined areas for a period of time..perhaps including public transport.

podgeandrodge · 07-06-2020 04:22PM

Boggles wrote: »

Okay Merlin.

Austria Has 90% Drop in Coronavirus Cases After Requiring People to Wear Face Masks

ZX7R wrote: »

I'm not comparing either,it pointless making masks mandatory here when other countries are starting to relax there usage.
I'm all for masks but too little to late in as far as our country

Boggles wrote: »

What an utterly bizarre way to look at something.

You really don't like hearing opinions that aren't the same as yours do you

Merlin.

BTW, genuinely, I see that Austria is relaxing requirements on face masks in a couple of days - what is your view on why they are doing this, given the virus has not yet been eradicated, but only reduced to extremely low community transmission?

stephenjmcd · 07-06-2020 04:24PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

You really don't like hearing opinions that aren't the same as yours do you

Merlin.

BTW, genuinely, I see that Austria is relaxing requirements on face masks in a couple of days - what is your view on why they are doing this, given the virus has not yet been eradicated, but only reduced to extremely low community transmission?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-austria/austria-to-loosen-face-mask-requirement-scrap-table-size-limit-in-bars-idUSKBN23529P

Said article referencing what you've said. Public transport now for the Austrians.

Table limits in bars going to along with longer openings.

I'm not getting involved in the overall debate but your right when you say they're relaxing the use.

Boggles · 07-06-2020 04:33PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Yes, but I think in terms of recommendations, hand washing is in the stratosphere of preventing transmission compared to masks.

Well no, it's not clear at all.

Person to person transmission through droplets appears to be the main route of transmission, not from infected surfaces.

That doesn't mean you don't wash your hands or you can't get infected from touching contaminated surfaces.

But there is absolute no evidence to suggest that hand washing is in a different "stratosphere" in preventing spread to wearing masks.

Boggles · 07-06-2020 04:35PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

You really don't like hearing opinions that aren't the same as yours do you

See the thing about that, is it's not my opinion.

podgeandrodge wrote: »

BTW, genuinely, I see that Austria is relaxing requirements on face masks in a couple of days - what is your view on why they are doing this, given the virus has not yet been eradicated, but only reduced to extremely low community transmission?

They are relaxing some mandatory restrictions, they are still recommending them, I have all ready posted about it.

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