Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

They are an incoherent hotch potch of all different kind of loon balls.

You should come take a look at the local FG party here.

From the corrupt to the violent to the ridiculous.

Deleted User wrote: »

Id imagine verona murphy (you know the wan leo canvassed for a week after she essentially called immigrants terrorists),is likely closer to gemma odoherty in outlook??

Iirc she was even invited to coalition talks as part of indo alliance??

Nah, nothing like Violet.

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

By shams you mean elected TDs from the SF party?

Can you not see why this makes SF so worrying to some people? They are an incoherent hotch potch of all different kind of loon balls.

Some of their TDs are sailing very close to Gemma O Doherty territory & that scares the boll*x out of me

Anyone talking ****e, so could be yeah.

That's not backing up your claim.
Well we'd one TD calling protesters ISIS and another one sexually harassing a fellow female TD, so what's your standards on that kind of thing? Best going by who over saw record breaking social crises and trying to get rid than buying into a few scaremongering tales any day. It's clear some parties have little regard for the Irish public. I think SD/SF/PBP etc. are worth a look.

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

By shams you mean elected TDs from the SF party?

Can you not see why this makes SF so worrying to some people? They are an incoherent hotch potch of all different kind of loon balls.

Some of their TDs are sailing very close to Gemma O Doherty territory & that scares the boll*x out of me

Id imagine verona murphy (you know the wan leo canvassed for a week after she essentially called immigrants terrorists),is likely closer to gemma odoherty in outlook??

Iirc she was even invited to coalition talks as part of indo alliance??

Bowie wrote: »

Yes. Pointing out senior FG government politicians did too. You sounded like you thought this was an only SF issue.
Any chance of some links or quotes to back up your claim:

Agenda is more than a few shams saying something.

By shams you mean elected TDs from the SF party?

Can you not see why this makes SF so worrying to some people? They are an incoherent hotch potch of all different kind of loon balls.

Some of their TDs are sailing very close to Gemma O Doherty territory & that scares the boll*x out of me

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I’m not coming in for a give out, I was helping you to correct the mistake you made in your point.

Also I wasn’t referring to neo liberals and I think you understood that.

SF had anti-vax & anti Semitic rhetoric comin from candidates - were you not aware of this?

I want change as much as was preached but not dangerous, loon ball change

Yes. Pointing out senior FG government politicians did too. You sounded like you thought this was an only SF issue.
Any chance of some links or quotes to back up your claim:

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Between this, the anti-vaccination stuff, the anti Semitic & anti immigrant stuff - serious alarm bells should be ringing.

It’s baffling that SF have managed to get the young vote out when they have members who openly push the above agenda.

Convincing the young liberal vote to vote for SF is akin to Trump convincing the working class Americans that he was their saviour - it defies logic

'Agenda' is more than a few shams saying something.
SF had help from FG getting more votes.

buzzing147

[Deleted User] wrote: »

the govt have families.

everyone has families.

where are sf?

One member near me hasn't left house in 2 months apart from to stand outside smoking, do they still have full wages during lockdown

atticu

McMurphy wrote: »

You understand the definition of whataboutery yeah?

Why don’t you take this opportunity to explain it.

That way we will all know your definition, and can refer back to it.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is your reasoning for it?

Every single time his sexuality is mentioned you bring homophobia into the debate.
Somebody takes his partners name and while not displaying any other traits of 'homophobia' you cannot see it for the lighthearted joke it was but trenchantly and 'consistently' refer to it as 'low level homophobia' (what ever the f**k that is).

If I called myself Mrs Michael D Higgins, would that be just a joke or something sinister?

You either have a thing about it or you are like a teenager who has discovered a cause.

TBF, he does it when neither Varadkar nor his sexuality is being discussed such as here and now.
It's very low brow to use it to try get a little dig in. Makes a mockery of anyone genuinely speaking out on homophobia.
Anytime this comes up it's never accompanied with any supporting quotes. It's poor commentators with even poorer manners desperate for a win.

Bowie wrote: »

Read like you were talking about FG to me.
Can you show where SF were openly pushing the agenda you described?

Ah, just coming in for a give out. Fair enough. Lots of folk on bad form today. Flashbacks from election night I'd imagine.

I’m not coming in for a give out, I was helping you to correct the mistake you made in your point.

Also I wasn’t referring to neo liberals and I think you understood that.

SF had anti-vax & anti Semitic rhetoric comin from candidates - were you not aware of this?

I want change as much as was preached but not dangerous, loon ball change

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is your reasoning for it?

Every single time his sexuality is mentioned you bring homophobia into the debate.
Somebody takes his partners name and while not displaying any other traits of 'homophobia' you cannot see it for the lighthearted joke it was but trenchantly and 'consistently' refer to it as 'low level homophobia' (what ever the f**k that is).

If I called myself Mrs Michael D Higgins, would that be just a joke or something sinister?

You either have a thing about it or you are like a teenager who has discovered a cause.

Its only to enflame thread,and get it shut down as his mundane propagangaised critism deosnt wash anymore

....if there was valid concerns of homophobia,it would be reported by everyone and beasty would quite rightly ban anyone doing it

blanch152 wrote: »

Sad.

What is your reasoning for it?

Every single time his sexuality is mentioned you bring homophobia into the debate.
Somebody takes his partners name and while not displaying any other traits of 'homophobia' you cannot see it for the lighthearted joke it was but trenchantly and 'consistently' refer to it as 'low level homophobia' (what ever the f**k that is).

If I called myself Mrs Michael D Higgins, would that be just a joke or something sinister?

You either have a thing about it or you are like a teenager who has discovered a cause.

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I’m not an FG or an FF supporter

Nice whataboutery attempt though

Read like you were talking about FG to me.
Can you show where SF were openly pushing the agenda you described?

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

The comma there is misleading?
I presume you didn’t mean it?

Ah, just coming in for a give out. Fair enough. Lots of folk on bad form today. Flashbacks from election night I'd imagine.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I severly doubt,you have too many neo-libs voting for the shinners tbh mate

The comma there is misleading?
I presume you didn’t mean it?

Bowie wrote: »

I thought you were discussing FG there.
We had one chap saying SF supporters wouldn't be happy because SF were pro asylum seeker rights, because SF supporters are anti immigrant, (wha?).
Then we'd FG supporters calling shinners anti semetic...read up on your party history ffs..
Then it should be noted senior FG politicians had vaccine concerns.
FG got SF votes. They got FF votes too.

I’m not an FG or an FF supporter

Nice whataboutery attempt though

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Between this, the anti-vaccination stuff, the anti Semitic & anti immigrant stuff - serious alarm bells should be ringing.

It’s baffling that SF have managed to get the young vote out when they have members who openly push the above agenda

I thought you were discussing FG there.
We had one chap saying SF supporters wouldn't be happy because SF were pro asylum seeker rights, because SF supporters are anti immigrant, (wha?).
Then we'd FG supporters calling shinners anti semetic...read up on your party history ffs..
Then it should be noted senior FG politicians had vaccine concerns.
FG got SF votes. They got FF votes too.

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Between this, the anti-vaccination stuff, the anti Semitic & anti immigrant stuff - serious alarm bells should be ringing.

It’s baffling that SF have managed to get the young vote out when they have members who openly push the above agenda.

Convincing the young liberal vote to vote for SF is akin to Trump convincing the working class Americans that he was their saviour - it defies logic

I severly doubt,you have too many neo-libs voting for the shinners tbh mate

blanch152 wrote: »

Yeah, the Irish Times is biased, the Irish Independent is biased, the Daily Mail is biased, the Sindo is worst, only An Phravda prints the news as it should be.

We know the mantra well.

If you understand the dictum of cultural hedgemony,then yes

May not apply.to all.their coverage,but the carry on boards and many of the mainstream media in the immediate aftermath of the election is a quintessential example of it and by-definition biased??

(As shinners are proposing something different to the establishment centre-right policices of ffg)

piplip87 wrote: »

I see the Shinners borrowing the "Corrupt Media" tactic from the Donald again.... Not surprising since he did attend a couple of fundraisers back in the Day.

Between this, the anti-vaccination stuff, the anti Semitic & anti immigrant stuff - serious alarm bells should be ringing.

It’s baffling that SF have managed to get the young vote out when they have members who openly push the above agenda.

Convincing the young liberal vote to vote for SF is akin to Trump convincing the working class Americans that he was their saviour - it defies logic

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think it's you that has a wee issue with his sexuality to be honest. You are seeing homophobia if it is even mentioned.

Sad.

blanch152 wrote: »

I have consistently given the same opinion on that choice of username. It is an opinion that I sincerely hold, and I stand over it.

I think it's you that has a wee issue with his sexuality to be honest. You are seeing homophobia if it is even mentioned.

jm08

blanch152 wrote: »

Never read the article on MLMD because it was behind a paywall, but you have.

Ironic that someone who claims the Indo is biased is spending money on it.

Or do you have access to it some other way?

It's available online through the Libraries.

blanch152 wrote: »

Never read the article on MLMD because it was behind a paywall, but you have.

Ironic that someone who claims the Indo is biased is spending money on it.

Or do you have access to it some other way?

I didn't the intro was on twitter somewhere and the writer (the current editor?) said that he realised the INdo had been biased in the past.

piplip87

I see the Shinners borrowing the "Corrupt Media" tactic from the Donald again.... Not surprising since he did attend a couple of fundraisers back in the Day.

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, indeed, personal abuse does happen.

Not so long ago, some fella thought it would be a bit of a laugh to take the Taoiseach's partner's name as his username, and not only did he indulge in the low-level homophobia of doing so, he ignored the potential personal harm he was doing to the Taoiseach's partner, in abusing his name like that. Not a care in the world for anyone else, just getting his jollies off at picking a username to personally abuse someone else.

That is the sort of low-level personal abuse that Sinn Fein supporters engage in on social media all of the time, before they move it up a few notches.

You must stop using Varadkar's sexuality to score points. It's not civil and quite frankly pretty homophobic using it like that. I don't know why you persist in this lack of respect towards Varadkar and the gay community to try get one over or what ever. It's certainly shoehorned into this discussion. Shameful.

We were having a discussion about social media and here you are using Varadkar's sexuality for a 'win'.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Taking somebody's name is 'low level homophobia'? Aw now blanch...too much sun today?

I have consistently given the same opinion on that choice of username. It is an opinion that I sincerely hold, and I stand over it.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The writer of the intro to MLMD's interview in the Indo admitted that the Indo was biased.
And btw...'opinion' isn't news no matter what a few hacks too lazy to go out and investigate what is going on around might tell you.

Never read the article on MLMD because it was behind a paywall, but you have.

Ironic that someone who claims the Indo is biased is spending money on it.

Or do you have access to it some other way?

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, indeed, personal abuse does happen.

Not so long ago, some fella thought it would be a bit of a laugh to take the Taoiseach's partner's name as his username, and not only did he indulge in the low-level homophobia of doing so, he ignored the potential personal harm he was doing to the Taoiseach's partner, in abusing his name like that. Not a care in the world for anyone else, just getting his jollies off at picking a username to personally abuse someone else.

That is the sort of low-level personal abuse that Sinn Fein supporters engage in on social media all of the time, before they move it up a few notches.

Taking somebody's name is 'low level homophobia'?

Aw now blanch...too much sun today?

da_miser wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/rise-in-pension-age-back-on-cards-due-to-cost-of-covid-19-39248786.html
Talk of raising the retirement age, if they do , SF will win in a landslide next election, no doubt about that

And SF will promise you round the clock bin men, etc.

https://youtu.be/ZRBH5vHhm4c
Homer Simpson does a Mary Lou